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03-24-2014 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mills
Am I bussing Aedan777 then?
Honestly I am not really following this question either.

I think I might have it broken down for myself but I would still like to hear your explanation behind it as well.

Genie.
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03-24-2014 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackWerewolfGenie
I have the biggest conflict with these 3 posts and the way he is saying if he is town but well Sherlock would consider this still thin but I don't know, if I think of somebody as obvious town I do not throw my votes on them, no matter how pissed off I am.

I don't really like his lurk-question about meaning behind "frozen" either since it seems like something a Mafia would ask just to keep himself on the "radar".
Phone posting so quoting is problematic.

Selective highlighting of my quote. Try adding another 12 words in red.

Manipulative. Lean scum on the genie.
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03-24-2014 , 06:38 AM
I was thinking the "if I'm town" accusation from Genie was pretty weak, but then he admits as much himself. It becomes much more interesting when you see the reaction to it.

Magicziggy

Voted for an overly defensive reaction to a reasonable line of reasoning.
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03-24-2014 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
Phone posting so quoting is problematic.

Selective highlighting of my quote. Try adding another 12 words in red.

Manipulative. Lean scum on the genie.
Ziggy,

Just by throwing scum leans on everybody is not helping us to clear you in anyway.

The game object is to hang all mafia and evildoers, it is a lot easier to do while you are clearing villagers.

I highlighted the part which causes conflicts because as a townie whose first language is English I do not think you would set your phrase in "what if I'm" manner.

In general I do not feel any way of you calling me scummy, I feel free to interact with anybody and every townie should have the same mindset.

In case that is the Mafia-Spite what's popping out then keep it up yo' we like when Mafia outs themselves quickly.

Genie.

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03-24-2014 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
It's too dumb to be the product of a scum team.
You've never seen stupid scum before?

Aside from that, I'm generally leaning more town on Arcbell right now. If he is scum, he would have been acting alone I believe, which does happen.
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03-24-2014 , 06:43 AM
Good evening. I've just come back from an extremely successful evening of bridge while on high strength prescription pain killers. An (awful) Black Eyed Peas song comes to mind Or at least "comfortably numb".

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Originally Posted by Mills
Bed time in Australia (more or less). Play nice.
Really? What is it that side of the ditch, 8 pm?
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03-24-2014 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Analstanley
I was thinking the "if I'm town" accusation from Genie was pretty weak, but then he admits as much himself. It becomes much more interesting when you see the reaction to it.

Magicziggy

Voted for an overly defensive reaction to a reasonable line of reasoning.
Only calling it the way I see it. I'm guessing most people like to have their words correctly represented. I'm supposed to allow genie to paint three words red as if I I'm suggesting that i might not be town. In fact I'm suggesting that it's a possibility I'm town who would lie about a role. In fact I wouldn't lie about a town role but I've read that it's not uncommon here.
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03-24-2014 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackWerewolfGenie
Ziggy,

Just by throwing scum leans on everybody is not helping us to clear you in anyway.

The game object is to hang all mafia and evildoers, it is a lot easier to do while you are clearing villagers.

I highlighted the part which causes conflicts because as a townie whose first language is English I do not think you would set your phrase in "what if I'm" manner.

In general I do not feel any way of you calling me scummy, I feel free to interact with anybody and every townie should have the same mindset.

In case that is the Mafia-Spite what's popping out then keep it up yo' we like when Mafia outs themselves quickly.

Genie.

I really don't care what peoples reads on me are.

"throwing scum leans on everybody"

Really?

More misrepresentation to back up your non existent case. Not really looking good for you Sherlock.
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03-24-2014 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Analstanley
You've never seen stupid scum before?

Aside from that, I'm generally leaning more town on Arcbell right now. If he is scum, he would have been acting alone I believe, which does happen.
I've skimmed games 1 and 2 and seen town lose. Scum as a collective rarely if ever make dumb day 1 moves.
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03-24-2014 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Arcbell
_ / _ _ _ _ p _ / _ _ _ / _ l _ _ _ t / _ _ _ _ _ _ s _ _ _ / _ _ / _ h _ / _ _ _ l _ / _ _ d / _ _ _ / _ / _ _ / t _ _ _ _ _ _ / _ b _ _ _ / _ _ x / _ _ _ / m _ _ _ _ / _ h _ _ _ / _ _ _ _ / _ t / _ _ _ _ / _ _ r _ _ _ _

4 y's, 3 u's, 12 e's, 6 i's, 6 a's, 9 o's

Greetings ladies and gentlemen, I am Arcbell. This is my hardclaim, an unbreakable code which, when solved by me, will unambiguously point to exactly one role -- my role. If I fail to solve this code when my hard-claim is appropriate I am confirmed mafia. If I solve the code and it's meaning is ambiguous, I am confirmed mafia. Since this is a game of champions, and this offer is strictly pro-town, since mafia cannot obtain the roles from the code, I'm going to ask everyone to make such a code to commit themselves to a single role today. Unless you plan on changing your role, you won't have a problem with this >
And we know this isn't a double-keyed code with two solutions because...?

It's not that against the spirit of the game; all it does is theoretically restrict people's actions, which theoretically benefits the village who have less need of deception. Not like it forces wolves into revealing, or even gives a lead. It doesn't help much if the wolves aren't planning hard claims though, and it only gives the appearance of surety. It most strongly benefits those who knew it was coming, with the time to bring out "one I prepared earlier".

I'll subscribe to your newsletter if you show how it avoids the possibility of double-keying, mind you. I'm a bigger fan of village co-operation to force the wolves into inaction/poor play, than I am of selfish strategies like "walking the line" and such.
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03-24-2014 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
I really don't care what peoples reads on me are.

"throwing scum leans on everybody"

Really?

More misrepresentation to back up your non existent case. Not really looking good for you Sherlock.
Standing firm.

Peace, Genie.
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03-24-2014 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
plus it's a dumb idea because what if i'm town and want to lie about my role for a pro town reason
If you do you get policy lynched. No questions asked.
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03-24-2014 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
I've skimmed games 1 and 2 and seen town lose. Scum as a collective rarely if ever make dumb day 1 moves.
Thanks for the history lesson. I'll not be using meta analysis though.

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How many of you guys have played together before? If any. . .
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03-24-2014 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmar
If you do you get policy lynched. No questions asked.
Just trying to accommodate different cultures. Where I'm from its lynch all liars. Here I've read the bios. People lie as town. True story.
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03-24-2014 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I am going to say Arcbell is a likely villager just because I feel like it would be hard to coordinate the wolf team together and come up with a plan this early in the game. So whatever he is doing. he came up with it by himself.
This is a terrible observation. Arcbell's plan is pretty good in my opinion, as long as people are careful not to make their claim breakable.

The plan is completely independent of Arcbell's alignment. Both factions can easily create this plan. Mafia doesn't have to co-ordinate to come up with a plan, hell if Arcbell is mafia he may not even have told his team about the plan he was going to propose.

Yes, he came up with it by himself. That doesn't say anything about his alignment.
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03-24-2014 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HerbieGRD
Alright Arcbell and VMF are villagers
Based on what?

PSA: Explain your reads. Always.
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03-24-2014 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Arcbell
_ / _ _ _ _ p _ / _ _ _ / _ l _ _ _ t / _ _ _ _ _ _ s _ _ _ / _ _ / _ h _ / _ _ _ l _ / _ _ d / _ _ _ / _ / _ _ / t _ _ _ _ _ _ / _ b _ _ _ / _ _ x / _ _ _ / m _ _ _ _ / _ h _ _ _ / _ _ _ _ / _ t / _ _ _ _ / _ _ r _ _ _ _

4 y's, 3 u's, 12 e's, 6 i's, 6 a's, 9 o's

Greetings ladies and gentlemen, I am Arcbell. This is my hardclaim, an unbreakable code which, when solved by me, will unambiguously point to exactly one role -- my role. If I fail to solve this code when my hard-claim is appropriate I am confirmed mafia. If I solve the code and it's meaning is ambiguous, I am confirmed mafia. Since this is a game of champions, and this offer is strictly pro-town, since mafia cannot obtain the roles from the code, I'm going to ask everyone to make such a code to commit themselves to a single role today. Unless you plan on changing your role, you won't have a problem with this >
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Originally Posted by Mills
By the way, I just came up with an idea...

Why don't we have four (an arbitrary number I chose but smaller is better) people VOLUNTEER to be possible suspects for the first night. Then we randomly choose one to die using some internet applet of some sort.

It doesn't guarantee that they're all townies (if they live), but you'd have to a pretty crazy Mafia to give yourself a 25% shot to die.

I guess it might work with 3 volunteers as well.

It's just a thought. Might be better than COMPLETELY RANDOM votes. Any thoughts?
WTF is this poop? I thought this was a "champions" game... I feel like I'm in a game with 30 Jack D's

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I am going to say Arcbell is a likely villager just because I feel like it would be hard to coordinate the wolf team together and come up with a plan this early in the game. So whatever he is doing. he came up with it by himself.
I am going to say that he's one of those players who thinks his juvenile logic separates him from the field so much, that he is the self-appointed "turn the game into a calamity" guy.
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03-24-2014 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
Just trying to accommodate different cultures. Where I'm from its lynch all liars. Here I've read the bios. People lie as town. True story.
Look at me care about other cultures.

If you lie, you die.
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03-24-2014 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmar
Look at me care about other cultures.

If you lie, you die.
I think its worthwhile establishing that at the outset. As a baseline it's pretty clear cut.
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03-24-2014 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Arcbell
I didn't expect everyone to get it at once. Don't worry. The reason I can't get anyone to do this on my site is that it's all real time, games of ~20 mins. Here we can talk things through logically.
The reason you can't get anyone to do it on your site is more likely becasue herp derp derp

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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
well it's a talking point at least
The weather is a talking point. I'm sitting on the toilet getting ready for work, and reading through the first few pages of this. It's absolutely laughable that anyone is making absolute statements or reads at this point.

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Originally Posted by BlackWerewolfGenie
So this is a pretty big clutch MagicZiggy and it does appear as you are hoping for topic to move away from you right away.

It appears strange how you basically want VMF to first give you reasoning of what is going on and then you are getting frustrated over the fact that she did actually explain herself.
Does it "appear" that way, or is this just rudimentary narrative?
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03-24-2014 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Magicziggy
I think its worthwhile establishing that at the outset. As a baseline it's pretty clear cut.
No it's not. There is nothing to discuss, if anyone is ever found guilty of lying we lynch him, automatically.

Also, you threw out like 2 reads for no good reason earlier. If you don't back up your ideas with reasons, I need to kill you. There is no way for me to determine your alignment from insightful posts like "X is mafia"

This goes to everyone. Whatever meta you're used to from your previous site, drop it right now. Here, no one knows you well enough to understand the motivation behind your suspicions without you explicitly stating them.

The only people whose best interest is in not explaining things are mafia. Just like the idea behind the role codes, if we force everyone to always explain why they have certain reads, it is harder to backtrack, because you have to provide new reasons as to why your old reasons don't apply anymore. This is very easy to do as town as it's natural, but really hard to fabricate as mafia.
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03-24-2014 , 07:36 AM
Lean scum on mills because s/he? is asking about first language even though she acknowledged my posts in the sign up as being an Aussie. Although that's not an indication of first language I still I found it a little contrived.

Lean scum on genie because self appointed Sherlock is (from my pov) fabricating evidence and manipulating opinion.
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03-24-2014 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aedan777
Interesting code idea. Though a problem is that if wolves claim an important role like seer, we would be stuck in a situation where we'd have to lynch one, meaning 50-50 odds on not killing our biggest asset. Circumstance would probably put the odds more in our favor, but there is still a chance this backfires, though no more than the lack of it would I guess. Something to think about for sure.
There's something about this post that I don't love.

I don't understand the 50-50 odds, there is no information in the OP about the number of each role, so it's entirely possible we have 4 medics and no other power roles. The 50-50 thing is just meh

In addition this is the least committal stance you could possibly have taken on the whole issue.

I agree with SB's post here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=99
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03-24-2014 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pranay
palmar is scum
Based on what?
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03-24-2014 , 07:52 AM
Anyway, here's my code/claim:

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