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Old 06-21-2015, 07:21 PM   #2376
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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Old 06-21-2015, 07:21 PM   #2377
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Can you tlak about riki/dorian and riki/road being unlikely?

I think you said its because riki voted on dorian early. Why does that exclude them of being buddies but me and road are a team when he made a large case on me day two and still apparently thinks I'm scum?

I think cue was never cop just clearly trying to take a bullet he said all those things you're talking about which essentially excludes him from being a cop. I'm actually good at role hunting and know that town people who ARE roles don't say**** like that because its like level 1 wolf kill level. They are subtle. I DID THINK HE WAS THE COP I know its not much but that sort of thing is enough for me on day 1. I tend to clear and scum read people very lightly on day 1s.
Riki/dorian is more plausible than riki/road; Mafia!riki bussing Mafia!road D2 (when riki had already sniffed out MSU as a possible Cop) is absurdly -EV since MSU was under no obligation to claim; the Phase could've well ended with road getting Lynched, then whenever MSU flips it's obvious his N1-peek was Mafia!Ratchet.

Like I already said, ROAD'S D2 CASE ON BANKS IS WRITTEN IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LINGO from anything else he's presented in this game so far. I don't think that case was his own doing; he was given it by someone else, and that someone else is not dorian. If the case was all-road, we would've seen him try similar cases, or atleast use the same friggin' terminology, when discussing some OTHER players. So, like I already said, it's entirely plausible you told him to distance himself from you, while you try to keep an aura of 'objectivity' wrt road (and not end up going after him as the LHF he ended up being).

You still refuse to properly elaborate on WHY Ratchet/Riki were Cops IYO, when I've told you those reasons seem arbitrary to me -- sure, you're allowed to have "light" Cop-reads on people, but you used it to justify not going after Ratchet EoD1 when I FIRST asked you of it, so clearly you should be able to give me some groundbreaking, shut-Slendy's-mouth-for-good back up for this assumption.

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Did I sound like that I thought ratchet was going to cc? Read it thinking this.

As scum I would literally write out the claims in scum chat for people he could just cop paste them. I've done it in other games I'd do it again. Do you think he would be nervous/frozen enough not to copy paste something?
No, road urged Ratchet to counterclaim. Everyone seems to have missed this.

I'll admit that I can see you giving claims to everyone, but there's also enough hypothetical scenarios where you either forget, aren't clear enough, or the game plan changes for other reasons that this can be dismissed.

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You are associative tunneling I hope if we lynch road today he flips scum. I however think that dorian is going to flip scum. I think that his day 1 was not trying to find scum. I think he has been concerned about himself not dying much more so than finding scum.

Talk to me about why you think dorian is townie for me.
How am I associative tunneling when I already said I see you as red separately from one another? Funnily enough this makes me think you are well aware of what I pointed out wrt road's "case" on you, as that's the only bit of "association" I've done wrt you two, yet you still feign ignorance and ask me to clarify the matter.

Compare dorian's tone to road's today. road is polishing everything he's saying, eminating an aura of frustration on people not reading his posts the way he wished they would read them.
dorian just says what's on his mind. It doesn't always look super-Pro-Town as he's not accustomed to this intensity of Scumhunting, but he clearly isn't polishing anything desperately. He COULD be Scum here, but if he is, he is keeping his cool admirably. And if he is, Doc is right that bhuber is the most plausible Buddy-oso.

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Yeah I'm town though so just read dorian's filter. Like honestly if you read ratchet's filter you would be where achro/fonti/doc are that I'm town and ratchet spewed me as such. The only one that has read it and still thinks I'm a wolf is slendy because hes probably really bad at role hunting and doesn't like that I could tell cue wasn't cop and ratchet felt like cop to me.
Fair enough on cue -- where is the elaboration on Ratchet? Should be a piece of cake for you to shed some light on this thought process of yours. Yet you keep circling around and evading the matter.

Your interactions with Ratchet do seem quite good -- Ratchet OTOH only ever responded to you, continued a series of empty reads-list-clarification-questions, and inexplicably was still more confident of you than of Riki whom Ratchet legitimately DID interact with a-plenty.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:22 PM   #2378
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Show me one clear example of this from day 2 or 3. D2 I was totally trying to probe Ratchet, Achro, and MSU in my own way to get better reads on them. I didn't wind up ever having to make a case because of the claim. D3 I've totally pushed on road and bhuber and spent the rest of the day trying to put together scenarios of teams. Just because I'm not jumping down anyone's throat doesn't mean I'm not trying to find mafia.

Also, a note, cause I just realized it. bhuber never even acknowledged or responded to any of the points I made about his D1 and D2 posting. Yeah, he had a lot to catch up on, but I'd think that post would have been worth addressing.
I will provide it tomorrow you're clearly not dying today road is getting lynched.

Were you reading something that made you run across that bit of info?
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:23 PM   #2379
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Also, a note, cause I just realized it. bhuber never even acknowledged or responded to any of the points I made about his D1 and D2 posting. Yeah, he had a lot to catch up on, but I'd think that post would have been worth addressing.
what was the point you made? i don't remember
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:23 PM   #2380
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Judging by this last page I'm seeing I need to attention-whore a bit more:
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Like I already said, ROAD'S D2 CASE ON BANKS IS WRITTEN IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LINGO from anything else he's presented in this game so far. I don't think that case was his own doing; he was given it by someone else, and that someone else is not dorian. If the case was all-road, we would've seen him try similar cases, or atleast use the same friggin' terminology, when discussing some OTHER players.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:24 PM   #2381
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Road

I've been pretty sure of this all day, if it turns out to be wrong I have a lot of re-reading to do.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:24 PM   #2382
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why is this game so hard dude
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:25 PM   #2383
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Judging by this last page I'm seeing I need to attention-whore a bit more:
So who wrote it? Did I write it on myself?
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:30 PM   #2384
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quick comparison

these are two cases road made on d1 of game 3:

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Mr capps:

He stars of with a lot of posts with little to no real content. He comments a little on Adaham and is pressuring q_q a little but mostly t just fluffs and so on. also he choosed to spend effort in finding a video of him playing a video game mafia with no sound, when i asked if he could link to some of his games (he explained too that they were behind paywalls though). I mean dafuq?

So like a lot of fluff in beginning.

Also he states early on that he doesnt like people who are syaing one thing is bad and doing the same thing hypocrites (referring to q_q). however in post #335 he states he doesnt want to talk to pizzaguy as he trusts himm At that time pizzaguy really havent posted anything useful - and actually he have been a hypocrite himself by showing "forced aggression" vs dgz and the us/we-thing. That statement from capps are so weird regardless of pizzaguys role

Also as someone else mentioned (Turnip or banks?) the postings from #366 and forward about who the most dangerous player was is like communicating to his team of wolves - i cant find a single reason to discuss this as a villager but more reason for the wolves.

And finally i just agree with everything dgz wrote in his case on capps.

I believe capps is often a wolf/scum here
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askthepizzaguy


first of all i might actually just have a totally different style and then reading him wrong in every possible way. However i find him scummy for several reasons:

- His intro is just as scummy as they get. He knows that. Why would a villager do this? Weird intros are more often a wolf than the random %.

- His interaction with dgz is just pure fluff and seems extremely weird.

- He is way too confident in his initial reads and seems like he don't reconsider being wrong (or well he actually states late that he is still confident about his villa-leans, but not that much about his scum-leans - but only after it has been pointed out he seems to confident)

- He is seeking weird discussions and posting a lot and just makes it a lot harder to actually do some analysing and real work. Also the way he is trying to induce interactions are not something I find specially fruitful til analyse on.

But at the same time he actually have some kind of villagery posts, like thinking in non-possible w/w combis including himself. It is like a way of clearing himself if i turn out to pe a wolf (which he doesnt know as a villager that im not). If he was a wolf i would think it is just a weird post.

hmm. actually i would probably put him in the neutral box leaning wolfy.

So my biggest scumread is mr capps.
I would like to see either pizzaguy, Soneji or Hibiki in the last wagon
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:30 PM   #2385
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Riki/dorian is more plausible than riki/road; Mafia!riki bussing Mafia!road D2 (when riki had already sniffed out MSU as a possible Cop) is absurdly -EV since MSU was under no obligation to claim; the Phase could've well ended with road getting Lynched, then whenever MSU flips it's obvious his N1-peek was Mafia!Ratchet.

Like I already said, ROAD'S D2 CASE ON BANKS IS WRITTEN IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LINGO from anything else he's presented in this game so far. I don't think that case was his own doing; he was given it by someone else, and that someone else is not dorian. If the case was all-road, we would've seen him try similar cases, or atleast use the same friggin' terminology, when discussing some OTHER players. So, like I already said, it's entirely plausible you told him to distance himself from you, while you try to keep an aura of 'objectivity' wrt road (and not end up going after him as the LHF he ended up being).

You still refuse to properly elaborate on WHY Ratchet/Riki were Cops IYO, when I've told you those reasons seem arbitrary to me -- sure, you're allowed to have "light" Cop-reads on people, but you used it to justify not going after Ratchet EoD1 when I FIRST asked you of it, so clearly you should be able to give me some groundbreaking, shut-Slendy's-mouth-for-good back up for this assumption.

No, road urged Ratchet to counterclaim. Everyone seems to have missed this.

I'll admit that I can see you giving claims to everyone, but there's also enough hypothetical scenarios where you either forget, aren't clear enough, or the game plan changes for other reasons that this can be dismissed.

How am I associative tunneling when I already said I see you as red separately from one another? Funnily enough this makes me think you are well aware of what I pointed out wrt road's "case" on you, as that's the only bit of "association" I've done wrt you two, yet you still feign ignorance and ask me to clarify the matter.

Compare dorian's tone to road's today. road is polishing everything he's saying, eminating an aura of frustration on people not reading his posts the way he wished they would read them.
dorian just says what's on his mind. It doesn't always look super-Pro-Town as he's not accustomed to this intensity of Scumhunting, but he clearly isn't polishing anything desperately. He COULD be Scum here, but if he is, he is keeping his cool admirably. And if he is, Doc is right that bhuber is the most plausible Buddy-oso.

Fair enough on cue -- where is the elaboration on Ratchet? Should be a piece of cake for you to shed some light on this thought process of yours. Yet you keep circling around and evading the matter.

Your interactions with Ratchet do seem quite good -- Ratchet OTOH only ever responded to you, continued a series of empty reads-list-clarification-questions, and inexplicably was still more confident of you than of Riki whom Ratchet legitimately DID interact with a-plenty.
I thought ratchet was cop for that one post That is is. 100% thats the truth. Believe it or don't I don't ****ing care. I play off the info I see in front of me. It was a mistake that I made on day 1. It cost of the cop those are things I'm aware of and I feel pretty ****ing bad about.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:32 PM   #2387
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I will provide it tomorrow you're clearly not dying today road is getting lynched.

Were you reading something that made you run across that bit of info?
I was thinking about the case I made on bhuber, since I was describing it in my reply to you. It was before he returned, and based on his early interactions with Ratchet and thoughts on the cue flip.

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what was the point you made? i don't remember

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It's a bunch of minorly scummy things that added up to moderately scummy in my book. Avoiding opinions on Ratchet, casting suspicion on other people when he could have cast suspicion on Ratchet, having TMI about cue's kill, etc... And one interaction with road that came up while digging.
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maybe me and riki talk too much.

Road you're going to die.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:32 PM   #2389
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Dorian/riki moderately hard sale imo because me and riki were on dorian a bunch day 1 at EoD.
Interesting that you'd have to ask me about this when you agreed with me less than a day ago.

The case on you, Banks, by road came from one of you/bhuber/Riki, in that order of likelihood. road failed to make it fluid, didn't utilize similar habits of analysis towards any other fellow players and struggled with the language barrier because he was forcing himself to write it.

And before you ask again, you weren't pleased with your teammates buddying you so much D1. road taking distance from you in that manner was more effective than you going after him, due to the impression we have of you two as Players.
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I was thinking about the case I made on bhuber, since I was describing it in my reply to you. It was before he returned, and based on his early interactions with Ratchet and thoughts on the cue flip.



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It's a bunch of minorly scummy things that added up to moderately scummy in my book. Avoiding opinions on Ratchet, casting suspicion on other people when he could have cast suspicion on Ratchet, having TMI about cue's kill, etc... And one interaction with road that came up while digging.
Road is going to flip ____ fill in the blank. This makes _____ scum for reason ______.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:34 PM   #2391
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Interesting that you'd have to ask me about this when you agreed with me less than a day ago.

The case on you, Banks, by road came from one of you/bhuber/Riki, in that order of likelihood. road failed to make it fluid, didn't utilize similar habits of analysis towards any other fellow players and struggled with the language barrier because he was forcing himself to write it.

And before you ask again, you weren't pleased with your teammates buddying you so much D1. road taking distance from you in that manner was more effective than you going after him, due to the impression we have of you two as Players.
I don't care if my teammates buddy me when I'm scum I play like a mother hen or an abusive step father. I either protect my flock with my life or I abuse them for my own benefit.
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Anyone else noticing the TMI or am I just being paranoid?
I just want to bump this. No one mentioned it, but from my POV I think this looks like TMI..

Well you can consider it on later days at least
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bhuber not coming back to the thread is kind of bad
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I just want to bump this. No one mentioned it, but from my POV I think this looks like TMI..

Well you can consider it on later days at least
i don't think it's tmi

it's just hyperbole to get his point across
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When I flip villager I think you should clear bhuber. His strategy does not make any kind of sense as scum. I know i went through this before but i just cant see it.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:38 PM   #2396
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i don't think it's tmi

it's just hyperbole to get his point across
Not hyperbole, actually. Since road was the only one to do that (well bhuber was also afk, I now realize), and I'm assuming quite heavily that he's gonna flip red here, then that means literally every other Townie WAS interested in the Ratchet-wagon (and the Scummer/s who was/were able to feign a Pro-Town attitude wrt this)
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i don't think it's tmi

it's just hyperbole to get his point across
meh
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