Originally Posted by road

What is this ?

Originally Posted by DocEspana

It's my kill list in case people are curious. I don't say much. I watch and speak when I have something important to add to the interpretation. But I thought I'd give my input on where the rankings sit in my eyes right now.

Originally Posted by Slendy

We ALWAYS resolve the Rs today, because 1) road's D2 especially with regards to Ratchet was GOD-AWFUL and REEKS of TMI, and
2) both Riki/road and Riki/dorian seem very implausible, thanks to Riki's D1- and D2-voting.

Banks STILL is quite plausibly paired with road, the crux of the matter is very simple: [i]that post by Ratchet DOESN'T give sufficiently strong Cop-vibes. If Banks thought Ratchet was a likely Cop based on that post (not actually plausible), THEN HIS COPDAR MUST'VE BEEN SO FINE-TUNED THAT CUE WAS EVEN HIGHER on his list of possible Cops! Peeks aside, cue consistently left implications of dying soon, having "power" and he intentionally played in an odd manner that would guarantee some degree of suspicion on him.

Originally Posted by Slendy

One response: Banks said that if he was Mafia, Ratchet would always be coached to counterclaiming.

Well, that is clearly what road thought as well, since in his last post D2 he URGED RATCHET TO COUNTERCLAIM. Ratchet never did, probably because he's not familiar with this types of Rounds, and we already saw D1 he apparently gets somewhat frozen under pressure. Might've not realized claiming guilty!Achro would've been a great defense for him, even if his EoD1 lacked any Coptells.

Originally Posted by Slendy

If Banks thought Ratchet was a likely Cop based on that post (not actually plausible)

Originally Posted by Slendy

If Banks thought Ratchet was a likely Cop based on that post (not actually plausible)

Originally Posted by Slendy

If Banks thought Ratchet was a likely Cop based on that post (not actually plausible)

Originally Posted by Slendy

You're the one who never responded to me, road.

You can't deny what actually happened in the Thread -- you CAN try to provide Town!motivation for it, but you haven't.

Originally Posted by road

Hmm. I think it is naturally. I mean, when i can live with people in wagons, i mean i dont have any kind of townread on them. As you quoted in the post above, i didnt have any real read on fonti, riki and ratchet. I later got a villagerread on fonti (which you quoted too) - therefore leaving ratchet and riki as acceptable (however not preferred) lynches. I cant see what you find weird there?

In the 2nd quote I actually asks what people think about resolving wagons, when the wolves resolved the third wagon? It is a situation I dont recall having been in before ,therefore finding it weird. It is not like I'm saying "we shouldnt lynch Ratchet". I think you are overthinking this.

I never states that Ratchet is clear. My arguments for wanting to focus on the 4 ppl is that they were ALL wagons early on but NONE of them ended up being wagons. Wouldnt you think this leaves at least 1 scum there?

last quote: lol tunnelling

Originally Posted by road

1) I didnt forget about ratchet. I jsut had limited time and therefore not focusing on him. I think I even write that in some post lol. also i dont remeber being online at the same time as Ratchet. I think you would a lot of ppl I dont really interact with/talk about in more than some few lines.

2) bhuber have been one of the ppl i actually spend most time reading. I had him as scum d1 but reading up on him during the early stages of d2 i changed my read on him to villagery. I assume i did argue for that.

3) Yes i forgot dorian. I dont think you can deduce anything from that - it is probably neutral for me, because I have a tendency to forget different things lol. Also i do think i remember having discussed dorian on d1/d2 and some of his thoughts.

Originally Posted by Slendy

Bull****. You first go "okay cue-flip resolves that thing [Ratchet]" then you LEAVE OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT D1-WAGON from your "pool of 4" -wagons.

What the hell, if you are Town?

Originally Posted by road

My purpose of this post was to:

1) Ask what other ppl thought of resolving wagons, in this exact situation. Normally it would be standard but i think that cue (the last wagon and also the one saving Ratchet) being killed changes a lot.
2) Making sure that lynching Ratchet would actually serve a purpose

I dont see why this is weird at all. If we wont to infolynch (which is often the case d2), we shoould make sure to get some info. Point out where I try to assume cue lynch means ratchet is villager?

Originally Posted by road

NO! my focus with that post was on the FORMER wagons. Not the actually eod wagons. I argued why that was important and I STILL think it is. Ratchet was not a wagon earlier therefore i left him out of the ppl i would focus on. (well i ended up doing like no work on those ppl in the end, but hat is just due to me not having enough time)

Originally Posted by bhuber2010

riki - bhuber
fonisian - doc
TehBankertin - riki
achro - no peek
road - banks

dorian78 - did you leave a clear peek?
Slendy - did you leave a clear peek?

Still havent heard from these two but for the sake of discussion, I'll allude to my thoughts now (I have slendy as a pretty hard town lean so I am not as concerned about him although I still think it would be useful to know 100% if either of them left explicit peeks).

Since we know that cue did not leave an explicit peek, it means the mafia took a calculated risk in killing him over a number of players that DID leave explicit peeks. This means that their peeks were wrong or the mafia didnt not believe them enough to glean that that person was indeed the real cop.

A level 0 read would therefore be that the following people look bad/didnt have believable cop cover IF indeed their claims were correct: riki, tehbankertin, and roads.

I know riki's claim was correct, so the wolves either didnt believe it or riki is scum.

TehBankertin not dying alludes to the fact that his peek was wrong, or he is mafia.

Roads peek was wrong, or he is mafia.

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I'll get back to this point in a second.

Originally Posted by road

I see. It makes sense of you to actually fully write all of your thoughts at some point today, as you will get killed tonight.



Can you elaborate on this. Maybe I missed something, but i thought it was Ratchet-spew on d1 and my lack of activity on d1/d2 that makes it a good case on me?

How did my content d2 with regards to ratchet seem scummy?

Or have you still not understood my pov with the first posts of d2? when i focused on the wagons that didnt end up being wagons, after having been the first to consider lynching ratchet for resolving wagons?

Originally Posted by road

This shows my thoughtprocess.

1. I ask other ppl what they think of resolving wagons in this rare scenario - this is imho gamesolving.
2. i focus on the earlier wagons, because i find ratchet being scum is less likely with the cue-kill ,therefore i expect someone of those wagons to be scum (because none of them ended up being wagons). Maybe you think Ratchet would the most obv guy to focus on. Well i didnt.
3. I still dont get what you think are so weird

Originally Posted by Slendy

10 minutes prior to EoD1 the Votes were tied at 3-3-3-3 between SmartBomb, Ratchet, Slendy and cue.

The only wagon that ever got "resolved" was cue. In your D2-posts you completely brush Ratchet aside when no Townie in this game ever did that, because that was the single most important wagon D1 for analysis (and would've been that even if he flipped Town!).

Better yet, you use the resolving of the cue-wagon as justification for brushing aside Ratchet. You don't "inquire" people about that; you start D2 by asking "isn't this right?" then you don't pursue that anymore.

You had an agenda and it's plain as day. The bolded in the quote above is you yourself admitting that, using indirect wording.

You also reveal that you haven't read EoD1 yourself (atleast not with gamesolving-intent) yet you try to spin the events of EoD1 into something that's convenient for your agenda.

Originally Posted by Slendy

10 minutes prior to EoD1 the Votes were tied at 3-3-3-3 between SmartBomb, Ratchet, Slendy and cue.

The only wagon that ever got "resolved" was cue. In your D2-posts you completely brush Ratchet aside when no Townie in this game ever did that, because that was the single most important wagon D1 for analysis (and would've been that even if he flipped Town!).

Better yet, you use the resolving of the cue-wagon as justification for brushing aside Ratchet. You don't "inquire" people about that; you start D2 by asking "isn't this right?" then you don't pursue that anymore.

You had an agenda and it's plain as day. The bolded in the quote above is you yourself admitting that, using indirect wording.

You also reveal that you haven't read EoD1 yourself (atleast not with gamesolving-intent) yet you try to spin the events of EoD1 into something that's convenient for your agenda.

Originally Posted by fontisian

I don't really care about the lynch toDay. It's not as important as completing the auto circle, which we're one clear away from. The Road lynch will probably help with that and accordingly remains the best lynch. I'm still vaguely uncomfortable with Achromatic, as I remember him bussing /a lot/ in his one scum game with me. If I have the time, I'll be reading up on that today.

I'll add that a Riki/Dorian pairing is very unlikely based on the Day 1 vote patterns. Scum!Riki would not unvote and started condemning the MSU wagon (which had Ratchet on it) only to join another town wagon with his other partner. So, when Banks goes for Dorian, I'm not sure who he plausibly has as a teammate.

Originally Posted by Slendy

Getting the auto circle means we don't stop playing the game.

Getting the Scum Lynched as fast as possible is always the best, for the simple reason that each time a Lynch is attempted on them, there's one Townie less to help out when a Mislynch happens in between.

And the less there's unified Townies, the less certain it is that the remaining Scum doesn't swindle their way out to victory, no matter how 'auto' the circle should be. In final three, one weak link is enough.

So we strive for the correct Lynch order, each Phase.

Originally Posted by Slendy

Not sure if I feel like continuing the argument with road it feels like I'm just wasting Threadspace answering Mafia!road's "wah you caught me for the wrong reasons" -questions.