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Old 06-20-2015, 10:58 PM   #2101
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

so like the only way you think that ratchet is likely to die that day is if you realized that msu was a cop with a red check on ratchet

which i guess msu made pretty obvious even before claimed but meh
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Old 06-20-2015, 10:59 PM   #2102
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why not? like i said earlier i think talking about reads is one of the easier interactions to make as w/w

like basically i don't understand why you think that's NEVER w/w
I am a bit biased but I know that's just not something I'd do. It needlessly gives a partner a chance to slip up when its not necessary. I could easily have taken that as him saying "alright man lets stop interacting I'm uncomfortable" but instead I push more? idk

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Old 06-20-2015, 10:59 PM   #2103
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so like the only way you think that ratchet is likely to die that day is if you realized that msu was a cop with a red check on ratchet

which i guess msu made pretty obvious even before claimed but meh
scum would know something was off. That sort of thing is really obvious to scum and never obvious to town unless its too obvious. Come on now riki.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:01 PM   #2104
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i probably understand what direction you're taking this, but you didn't mention that fonti peeked doc which is confirmed to be correct and would also look bad on level 0

iirc someone quoted something from cue that looked pretty seery and might be why he was nk'd even if he didn't leave a clear peek

and it also could've been to make ratchet look slightly better given where his vote was at eod
Think those things exclude what he is thinking to be untrue?
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:03 PM   #2105
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Think those things exclude what he is thinking to be untrue?
huh
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:05 PM   #2106
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Do you think that what you said makes what he is thinking not useful/not true?
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:06 PM   #2107
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Got another hour at work then I'm going to say where I'm at fully. Glad people are talking again.

Bhuber please do read the ratchet filter for me.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:12 PM   #2108
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I literally just finished catching up so I'll get to it here in a second.

I'm a little worn out after reading 2100+ posts so I might take a five minute break
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:14 PM   #2109
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I literally just finished catching up so I'll get to it here in a second.

I'm a little worn out after reading 2100+ posts so I might take a five minute break
Crazy game. Don't lie though you read ratchet's filter and went "**** banks is town i look silly"
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:18 PM   #2110
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Interestingly enough the person who I referenced a few times recently as being the one of the "likely villagers" u had the least faith in was banks (a change from day 1, but a lot changed since then).

I absolutely LOVE Bhuber's play right now. Not that I believe him. I actually assume he is a wolf realizing their numbers are up and trying to 1) fight his way out 2) frame a villager and 3) link road to bank in our mind so when one falls the other goes second. Especially if road falls and flips red, ti make us go banks next.

But I still love his play. And it has me reading and at least considering. God I love his play. Nice to see some fire in here. Fire will either immolate you or set you free. Best of luck with winning over our minds, my man.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:19 PM   #2111
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Crazy game. Don't lie though you read ratchet's filter and went "**** banks is town i look silly"
Brah, I dont mind flip-flopping in the span of about 5 minutes - I dont really care about looking silly. I care about being right.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:21 PM   #2112
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Interestingly enough the person who I referenced a few times recently as being the one of the "likely villagers" u had the least faith in was banks (a change from day 1, but a lot changed since then).

I absolutely LOVE Bhuber's play right now. Not that I believe him. I actually assume he is a wolf realizing their numbers are up and trying to 1) fight his way out 2) frame a villager and 3) link road to bank in our mind so when one falls the other goes second. Especially if road falls and flips red, ti make us go banks next.

But I still love his play. And it has me reading and at least considering. God I love his play. Nice to see some fire in here. Fire will either immolate you or set you free. Best of luck with winning over our minds, my man.
Its nice to have him playing.

I don't know if I see him making that play with the tieing up intention its so short sighted at least not with road who is like WAY ahead in votes. Even if by some miracle I did get misslynched he still then has to live 2 more cycles assuming road=red in this theory.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:22 PM   #2113
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Brah, I dont mind flip-flopping in the span of about 5 minutes - I dont really care about looking silly. I care about being right.
Then put a big V next to my name.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:25 PM   #2114
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Its nice to have him playing.

I don't know if I see him making that play with the tieing up intention its so short sighted at least not with road who is like WAY ahead in votes. Even if by some miracle I did get misslynched he still then has to live 2 more cycles assuming road=red in this theory.

If the last two wolves exist within road dorian and bhuber, the game is already over. So why not try a ballsy play? Do not walk quietly into that night. It's about being the best player and earning that invite. He could earn it by actually pulling off that move and living a full round later than he would by simply being one of the "to be killed". Getting killed but accomplishing it is better than getting killed and just not doing much of note.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:25 PM   #2115
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Fonti who was it you played with before? Was it just Achro?
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:26 PM   #2116
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If the last two wolves exist within road dorian and bhuber, the game is already over. So why not try a ballsy play? Do not walk quietly into that night. It's about being the best player and earning that invite. He could earn it by actually pulling off that move and living a full round later than he would by simply being one of the "to be killed". Getting killed but accomplishing it is better than getting killed and just not doing much of note.
I will agree to that. I'm putting in my application by coming out with my reads on the last two scum I hope I'm right I have never gone so long without posting but I really needed things to develop.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:35 PM   #2117
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Do you think that what you said makes what he is thinking not useful/not true?
i think it makes it less useful but it depends on what his actual conclusion is
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:50 PM   #2118
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i think it makes it less useful but it depends on what his actual conclusion is
I'd like to see where his head is at as well.

I'm off work so afk for a bit.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:01 AM   #2119
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Exclamation Vote Count

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4 road dorian78 (15), Riki (84), Slendy (61), fontisian (26)
2 dorian78 DocEspana (18), TehBankertin (85)
1 TehBankertin bhuber2010 (27)
2 not voting Achromatic (23), road (26)
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:05 AM   #2120
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Now, I can only really answer this from what would make sense to me. I think Cue was killed because of his style of play, he was never going to be an easy lynch to push despite being in the running and for that reason I think scum didn't want him to grow into the game and hurt them. Who stands to benefit? Well, Slendy/Achro initially, because of the idea that was pushed there, but other than those I think a large part of the kill is that it doesn't really benefit anyone in particular. It's entirely possible that this is completely wrong, but I couldn't work out cue's angle, and I am struggling to see how anyone would look at the kill and think "yeah, he might benefit us here or he might do this there". I think it was a really strong kill for Night 1, given the circumstances, and that's about all I have to offer on this issue.
Just for people wondering if anyone should be SHC from the cue kill, the answer is probably not.

As someone alluded to earlier, Rachet obviously had TMI with regards to the kill and the bolded is probably fairly close to the truth.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:10 AM   #2121
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Im sure this was addressed at one point but who was it that had said they had played with Rachet at some point?
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:14 AM   #2122
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

After filtering his posts, its become pretty apparent that most of whom he pushed were VT's - the only remaining players that he pushed were:

1) slendy
2) achromatic

He basically was super accusatory of both these players - going so far as to construct cases against both of them - he also stated they were the main beneficiaries of the cue kill.

This bodes poorly (in a way) for those of you whom he gave town reads - basically I think its plausible, perhaps even probable, that he gave town reads to BOTH of his mafia brothers.

I was trying to pay particular attention to whom Rachet was interacting - the people that he interacted the least with were: riki, banks, dorian, font and road. The first 4 of which he gave VT leans - the didnt mention road much but the few times he did, they were generally in a negative light.

So it goes without saying that I feel that at least one, and probably both of his mafia brethren received VT leans from him.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:27 AM   #2123
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5 SmartBomb dorian78 (31), TehBankertin (214), Riki (179), RatchetOPB (76), cue5c (138)
4 RatchetOPB Achromatic (84), Slendy (38), SmartBomb (51), MSU (54)
3 cue5c DocEspana (25), road (59), fontisian (92)
1 MSU bhuber2010 (36)

:00 good :01 bad
If Road is VT, I'd probably bet a large amount of money that both of the scum are in Banks/riki/dorian
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:29 AM   #2124
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Since Banks feels as if road is VT (at least according to his most recent reads),

the only plausible scum teams from his POV I think would be

bhuber/riki
bhuber/dorian
or dorian/riki

So if you're VT, and you think there is a legitimate shot that I am VT, then the scum team from your perspective should be something like riki/dorian exactly?

Would that be a fair assessment?
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:32 AM   #2125
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Ok. I'm back. Real life commitments took much longer than anticipated today. I'm going to post my thoughts on the discussion that happened and then go to bed. I can start with a quick answer for bhuber.

No, I left no clear peek. I have no experience with this setup beyond previous games I read, where everyone agreed it was not the best play and no one did it. I was frankly surprised to see people doing it here. I did leave a very awkwardly worded post to try to lay a foundation for claiming a peek in the future if needed, but I think that's mostly irrelevant to what you were getting at.
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