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Old 06-19-2015, 06:36 PM   #1876
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

So I don't have magical post tracking macros installed. Could someone tell me how long it's been since bhuber was playing?
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:39 PM   #1877
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Must be more than 48 hours ago now -- he joined the SHC (seer hunt clear) -discussion for a while, then disappeared. Getting closer to 60 hours, even.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:41 PM   #1878
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Banks, back when you said you Townread Ratchet for the consecutive solo-posts. Why did you ignore my counterpoint EoD1, and then only notify it D2?

Been afk for a bit orange is the new black is ****ing amazing.

EoD1 I thought ratchet was the cop. I don't remember what your point was but I remember thinking it was good but ratchet still had cop equity so I didn't want to push on him. I try to protect the cop in whatever way i can in a game. Last game I thought Yates was the cop so I made a ****ty case on him day 1 so that way he would have scum on him.

I really did think ratchet was townie from those posts but I thought moreso she was cop.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:45 PM   #1879
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I suppose it's a point against Road that the claim somehow interrupted his hugeass case against Banks -- why not get the material out there, if he was in the middle of compiling it? Regardless of whether that day's Lynch was almost set in stone or not -- plus the Lynch wasn't set in stone, as a Townie might still realize but a Mafioso might not.
I think he came back with more info I'm unsure. I haven't read it yet.

I apologize for my laziness today, I'm kinda in a weird spot mentally with this game.

I think that the last two wolves are in bhuber, dorian, road, riki. I need to look into the evidence a bit clearer. If the last two wolves aren't in there its going to be a very tough game.

I think bhuber needs to show up or be replaced its going to suck if we go the whole weekend and bhuber is not here then gets replaced :/ Like town or wolf thats bad imo because then we'd have to read a totally new person.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:47 PM   #1880
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So I don't have magical post tracking macros installed. Could someone tell me how long it's been since bhuber was playing?
I'll look it up.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:48 PM   #1881
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3:55 central time on Wednesday

So 48+ hours of no posting.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:01 PM   #1882
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...Aaaand the D2-posts DESTROY the Town-impression I got. Or at the very least confuse the hell out of me. Either it's the biggest coincidence ever, or road just so HAPPENS to ignore Ratchet of all people involved in the EoD1-madness entirely.

This is from D1:

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Okay, I'm not sure I will be online at eod. I just tried to ISO some of the lower-count posters, but fell asleep during page 2, and im totally bomed now. I read a little bit more, and to me MSU felt genuine and I can relate to his mindset. I would not think this would be an ideal lynch. I also thinks this game is tough to follow, and i'm more busy than last game, so his small frustration on not being able to keep up is genuine to me (like bhuber too)

However I realized that I wouldnt mind a Slendy wagon. I found his intro slightly, and just slightly scummy and he havent made anything villager since.

Btw, in fear of not getting to finish my "peek-riddle" i feel like i have to reveal my peek now. So Banks n0.

I would prefer these as wagons:
Slendy
cue5c
bhuber

and hate that i'm probably not going to make a bigger case on why..

I can live with these in wagons:
Ratchet

MSU
DocEspana

and probably Riki too
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Also lol, i totally ignored eod. It was very interesting and there should be some info available. It is possible it was 3 villagers, but maybe a resolving of the wagons is the way to go?

On my site we usuallt do that but in this exact case, where cue was the one voting smartbomb last, i think the benefit of the infogaining is less than normal.

Assuming ratchet is lynched scum we would normally feel a lot better about lynching cue. What more info can we gain? I mean, if Ratchet is villager, there are no real information to gain. But if we should infolynch him, it is important to make sure we actually gain some info if he turns scum.

I might have to look more closely to the eod, as this would be my default play.

^^ also havent considered any read on Ratchet - this is purely a strategic consideration. Can anyone sum up the case on Ratchet?
The underlined... does actually seem like it could explain Mafia!road and Mafia!Ratchet's incentive for hitting cue. Like, road included Ratchet in the "might MAYBE Lynch" category, then the above is the ONLY thing road has got to say on Ratchet, while drawing the conclusion below...

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I think it is interesting that none of the early wagons ended up being a real wagon:

MSU
dorian
bhuber
Slendy

I would be veeeery surprised if there are 0 scum in these 4. Actually i would think there often are at least 2 (but that is because I have villager peek on Banks and Achro and villager read on fonti.

I think my work on d2 would be to focus on MSU and Slendy (as i think bhuber was villagery towards end of d1, and i kind of liked dorian the whole way). This could be two scum avoiding a lynch - and in that case, the last scum was probably one of them leading the lynch towards bomb/ratchet/cue
Like, did we just witness Mafia!road slipping that he THOUGHT Ratchet is in the clear after cue is Hit, as he just moves on to everyone BUT Ratchet that was Voted on?! The English is somewhat broken so it might be hard to pick up on at first but seriously, that's what this reads out as to me.

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Im here guys! I know you have been waiting for me!
I have skimmed most of the posts and skipped some of the long ones ( I will try to read up on them).

I can see that almost everyone is reading me wolfy. That was also the case in game 3. I dont know if it is the language barrier, because usually on my homesite people are thinking im very villagery. Anyways, ppl are voting for me, and with my level of activity and contribution so far, I can understand why. I can accept being in a wagon, but I will make it my sole purpose of the rest of the evening (well, i will be off for some periods, but i will promise, i will be online up to eod. If not, you can all lynch me without feeling guilty, because then i just screwed up two eods.) to find the most likely scum to be the other wagon.

I will just go for a short run, and then I will start looking for scum. I still have my eyes on Slendy and MSU from a purely mechanical perspective from eod d1.

Also Achro and Banks, where do you think I should spend most of my effort? - keep in mind that I havent read anything in depth since i posted last, only skimmed some reads.
Continuation of the above.

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Ah I had you all on ignore besides Banks.. Guess this case is irrelevant at this moment. MSU, do you think Banks and Ratchet can be scum together?

I think, if Ratchet is scum, Banks is looking even more scummy..
Somewhat flimsy ('frozen') and possibly opportunistic.

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After the cop claim I prioritized my irl stuff.
Also I'm not a big believer in making spewanalysis before we know for sure that Ratchet is actually scum. We have a long weekend to do that.
Maybe I'm just tunneling Banks right now, but his attempt to make ppl do spewanalysis already seems opportunistic to me.

Ratchet>
The one thing you really should spend time on up to eod, if you are town, is helping the village win the game, by elaborating on your thoughts, who are scum, who are townies, anything specific that we should remember to focus on and so on.
There are no reason to defend yourself as you will always be lynches unless we see a counterclaim
Possible message to Scumbuddy!Ratchet, urging a counterclaim?
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:03 PM   #1883
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Friggin' hell, seriously check out the second and third quote in the post above.

road

Gotta run some errands but I think that already was pretty much all the road-posts I had missed.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:11 PM   #1884
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Road does indeed fail both the road talking about ratchet and the ratchet talking about road tests.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:24 PM   #1885
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Road does indeed fail both the road talking about ratchet and the ratchet talking about road tests.
Can you talk about those tests?
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:30 PM   #1886
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

The first was merely directly agreeing with what Slendy said about how he was intensely eager to drop ratchet from suspicion following day 1 using a kill he very well could have sent as justification. As for the other one, you did read my post right? About how Ratchet asked about road out of nowhere, never followed up, was awkward when discussing him to an extreme, etc? I didn't mean a ... literal test mind you, I was just using that phrasing to mean he looks bad both ways.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:35 PM   #1887
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The first was merely directly agreeing with what Slendy said about how he was intensely eager to drop ratchet from suspicion following day 1 using a kill he very well could have sent as justification. As for the other one, you did read my post right? About how Ratchet asked about road out of nowhere, never followed up, was awkward when discussing him to an extreme, etc? I didn't mean a ... literal test mind you, I was just using that phrasing to mean he looks bad both ways.
Oh okay I thought you were talking about something else possibly. I thought thats what you meant.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:38 PM   #1888
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Yeah I figured there had been a misunderstanding, thus why I clarified!

Also it is going to be a bit of a tragedy if we're right about road. Dude was probably toast yesterday.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:50 PM   #1889
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Riki - you're in the hotseat with me today. Do you think lynching me before road and/or bhuber is the right move for today?
no, i'd lynch road and bhuber before you
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:01 PM   #1890
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:02 PM   #1891
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Yeah I figured there had been a misunderstanding, thus why I clarified!

Also it is going to be a bit of a tragedy if we're right about road. Dude was probably toast yesterday.
Yeah I consider ccing MSU or something but I think it would have been too obvious. I was hoping for a rescind because then MAYBE he wouldn't die at night. Should have seen where it led but oh well.

Road should be on soon.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:03 PM   #1892
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Okay, I'm not sure I will be online at eod. I just tried to ISO some of the lower-count posters, but fell asleep during page 2, and im totally bomed now. I read a little bit more, and to me MSU felt genuine and I can relate to his mindset. I would not think this would be an ideal lynch. I also thinks this game is tough to follow, and i'm more busy than last game, so his small frustration on not being able to keep up is genuine to me (like bhuber too)

However I realized that I wouldnt mind a Slendy wagon. I found his intro slightly, and just slightly scummy and he havent made anything villager since.

Btw, in fear of not getting to finish my "peek-riddle" i feel like i have to reveal my peek now. So Banks n0.

I would prefer these as wagons:
Slendy
cue5c
bhuber

and hate that i'm probably not going to make a bigger case on why..

I can live with these in wagons:
Ratchet
MSU
DocEspana

and probably Riki too
the "like bhuber too" in parentheses saying that he thought bhuber's frustation was genuine (i don't remember any like emotion or frustration, just him telling us that he was going to be busy, but w/e) but still putting bhuber on that list of three is strange

like the bhuber wagon had a pretty low likelihood of happening imo so he has room to put bhuber on that list i guess

"probably Riki too" is still the weirdest thing ever said
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no, i'd lynch road and bhuber before you
Man I really wish bhuber would come back. Like one way or the other. I don't feel like its a victory if he is scum and DEFINITELY bad if hes town.
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Road should be on soon.
wut i thought he was euro
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Man I really wish bhuber would come back. Like one way or the other. I don't feel like its a victory if he is scum and DEFINITELY bad if hes town.
if he's scum i don't care tbh i'll take it lol
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MSU/Ratchet. I dont think you two will end up as wagons. I'm quite sure I have found a scum. And even though i have to bust my cover, I'm quite sure this is the best timing - I would have liked to pressure him before presenting the case, but as i'm not having that much time and he havent been online since i got online, i'm just going to post it, and let others comment on it. I'm prolly quite out of sync with this d2, so i could be missing something, but then i expect ppl to comment on why i'm wrong. But really, I'm not wrong. I feel as certain as I have been about any scumread lately

I believe Banks is scum

I believe he is scum because of the following reasons:

- He is showing some general wolf tendencies
-- a lack of progression in reads
-- Doing some awkward work
-- simulating being active and productive, but really not contributing with that much
-- showing a bit of double standards

The EOD d1
-- His votingpattern
-- Him not really keeping up his cop-cover (at least in the way i would assume he would do)

Does not look like the game 3 we played together
And my personal focus

--He fakes a lot of interest in wanting to interact with me, but not really doing it.

And yes. This is not something i usually do, but Im certain enough, and i know i dont have much to lose (well i could be wrong and that would suck, but the case is important nevertheless)

I'm going to start multiquoting to show my thoughts
this might be a weird thing to harp on

but one thing that surprised me when road came out with this case on banks, was that a lot of the generic stuff that he mentions here could apply to me

like "a lack of progression in reads", maybe

"simulating being active and productive, but really not contributing with that much" could probably apply to me

i also had almost the exact same votes as banks at eod1

the "faking interest in wanting to interact with me" doesn't even feel real but that's another thing entirely

the weird thing is that road had banks as a townread for most of the game, like he fakepeeked him d1

on the other hand he's had me at null the entire game, and said he was ok with me being a wagon at eod1 and stuff

so when he probably could've tried to make a similar case on me, and it would've made more sense for him progression-wise, but he chose to make it on banks

so that makes it seem more likely that he made the case on banks for the sake of making a case on banks, i think
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i'm really curious what road's read on me is atm
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so when he probably could've tried to make a similar case on me, and it would've made more sense for him progression-wise, but he chose to make it on banks

so that makes it seem more likely that he made the case on banks for the sake of making a case on banks, i think
uhh this might have been a logical fallacy

well if he's town his progression is weird and if he's mafia, then yeah
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:18 PM   #1899
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afaik dropping seer cover is a pretty big deal so given that he was going to do it to make that case, and supposedly posted without knowing that msu had claimed seer, it probably should've been like a really convincing case

i'm not really seeing it
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so when he probably could've tried to make a similar case on me, and it would've made more sense for him progression-wise, but he chose to make it on banks

so that makes it seem more likely that he made the case on banks for the sake of making a case on banks, i think
I also think that if road is mafia and his partner isn't bhuber, the next most likely is probably Banks. If road thinks he's going down yesterday (which was a distinct possibility), ignoring Ratchet and making a huge bus case that won't go anywhere against the third buddy...I can see that being a scum tactic. Maybe one that many people here would see through, but I guess how possible that is depends on how good we think road's scum game is.
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