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Old 06-18-2015, 06:58 PM   #1676
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

I will highlight the riki points, note: this is me quoting me.

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Riki asks 'who do you think is more likely to be mafia?' this is a good question. Riki then further prods him about this point. It makes Riki look good.
When Ratchet is going into 'I'm melting, I'm melting' at the end of day one he pushes Slendy in a very sloppy manner. Lots of people call him out on it including Riki who, when not getting an answer he found satisfactory, asked him again. I find this crucial because like Banker towards the end of day one they both were trying to get a bead on Ratchet's mindset I feel. They asked what I would call 'the unrequired question' if they were his buddy. Instead of supporting Ratchet straight up, they were searching for answers. True, they ended their pursuit wrongly, but I feel the pursuit of that answer as time was winding down to be a genuine town interaction.

Now mind you this isn't concrete or anything, he's just one step above the love triangle of dorian/bhuber/road. That one bit though is enough to get him above the murkiness. Also I think Ratchet is the type to condemn town and buddy town at the same time while distancing himself from his buddies. Just a feeling, could be wrong.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:01 PM   #1677
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:02 PM   #1678
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After the cop claim I prioritized my irl stuff.
Also I'm not a big believer in making spewanalysis before we know for sure that Ratchet is actually scum. We have a long weekend to do that.
Maybe I'm just tunneling Banks right now, but his attempt to make ppl do spewanalysis already seems opportunistic to me.

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The one thing you really should spend time on up to eod, if you are town, is helping the village win the game, by elaborating on your thoughts, who are scum, who are townies, anything specific that we should remember to focus on and so on.
There are no reason to defend yourself as you will always be lynches unless we see a counterclaim
I agree with the irl first I went and ran errands. I agree that making it before hand isn't normall the correct way to play but what else should we talk about? You should be reading it yourself. You have to understand that just like with SHC reading spew analysis is of course subjective. Town suffers from a severe case of laziness. I think that this game shows that sometimes town can be lazy as we were being today. MSU was doing work through the day because he was excited. Telling people to starting hunting for spew early makes them find the info and look at it. Lets go with your theory I'm a wolf, If I go out and "read for spew" and interpret things one way others who are less apt or have less time might just assume I'm right and follow that plan which could be deadly.

We need to take the info we have and assess it on an INDIVIDUAL level then collaborate together to find the other wolves (I'm at this point based on the day taking ratchet's posts plus thread reaction as a concession on his part) If we don't all read the spew on our own it will backfire on us. I kinda wish achro would hold off but his eagerness and wanting to find the info makes me lean more town towards him.

Saying me calling for spew is scummy is silly as I'm sure fonti would attest as a scum I tend to tell town what is ACTUALLY in there best interest and then play around it so trust that no matter my alignment what I'm saying is in fact beneficial.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:03 PM   #1679
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I'll try. 5 more hours on my shift, but it's getting busy again.
I mean msu held the claim 0 chance you won't be here tomorrow and its a weekend game day so time is not pressing. No need to do so ahead of time imo.

If you're at work do it from home or something.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:04 PM   #1680
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

I apologize for my nature, I become a different player once I smell blood. I like tearing scum apart. Which, by the way I'll say it again, god damnit cue. We could have had it all yesterday if you just stuck with me like you said you would. The adventures we could have had.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:04 PM   #1681
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My vote analysis shows me ratchet has given up. Bhuber is salty and there is 1 scum still trying.

Fonti upgrading her votes from town to error so thats good
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:06 PM   #1682
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I apologize for my nature, I become a different player once I smell blood. I like tearing scum apart. Which, by the way I'll say it again, god damnit cue. We could have had it all yesterday if you just stuck with me like you said you would. The adventures we could have had.
Don't blame him. The day one lynch is on me. If I hadn't gotten it in my head that ratchet was the cop I'd have joined the wagon and not started the smartbomb mess. It was an unfortunate affair. My wim will shine through for in the morning I will have the last two scum lined up and ready for service. The game probably isn't very hard but I'm planning on making it crystal clear.

Man we randed well this game.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:08 PM   #1683
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I Saying me calling for spew is scummy is silly as I'm sure fonti would attest as a scum I tend to tell town what is ACTUALLY in there best interest and then play around it so trust that no matter my alignment what I'm saying is in fact beneficial.
Can confirm. I won't be doing the spew thing, because I am particularly bad at it, not because I don't think it's worth while.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:09 PM   #1684
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Banker I want you to realize something.

If the team is Ratchet, Bhuber, and Dorian if my list of wild cards is right that means 0 wild cards were scum versus 3 of the five new players.

How sick would that be lol.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:12 PM   #1685
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

looking at dorian's filter

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Eh. It's a null in my opinion. On my home site, some people consider it a scum tell, and then they're wrong about as often as a random guess. Some innocents (though probably not many here) don't realize that it naturally sounds scummy, some like to say it anyways cause it's the honest truth for them, and some do it on purpose to try and increase their scum-factor for whatever reason.
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Riki, Banks, and bhuber. I don't think I've interacted with or maybe even mentioned Ratchet all game. He's been coasting by, making good points, not drawing a whole lot of attention, but I have liked what I've seen, and definitely am putting him in the town camp for now too.
these are the only two times that dorian mentions ratchet on day 1

the first is his first post of the game

should probably check whether ratchet's reads were similar to dorian's over the course of day 1.

i don't like making these types of reads but him saying that ratchet was "coasting by, not drawing a lot of attention" is possibly a weirdish thing to add
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:13 PM   #1686
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Remember I skipped about 200 to 300 posts yesterday. Probably was part of your activity in there.
fwiw you can look at the number of posts a player has made if you go to the forum index and click on the number of replies next to this thread

from that window you can also click on the number next to a player's name to look at their filter
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:13 PM   #1687
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Going to watch orange is the new black! I'll be around.

Tonight's Assigned reading class is "Ratchet Day 1" Read pages 1 to 2 of his filter.

Read day 2 as well but know he is likely on his way out on Day 2. Still fun reading!

Please don't read cliff notes.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:15 PM   #1688
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Banker I want you to realize something.

If the team is Ratchet, Bhuber, and Dorian if my list of wild cards is right that means 0 wild cards were scum versus 3 of the five new players.

How sick would that be lol.
Its very likely. I also probably prevented us from having a sweep which is pretty bad from my part. The one scum I had as no lynch was the one up for lynch. I'm going for that gold though so I'm hoping to force the mafia surrender tomorrow because of the mountain of evidence against them.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:16 PM   #1689
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yea i'm not great at reading for spew either

i suffer from confirmation bias a lot

i prefer interacting with people in real time
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:17 PM   #1690
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Can confirm. I won't be doing the spew thing, because I am particularly bad at it, not because I don't think it's worth while.
Yeah I'm doing it over night and tomorrow.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:18 PM   #1691
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yea i'm not great at reading for spew either

i suffer from confirmation bias a lot

i prefer interacting with people in real time
Give it a read and see what you think.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:21 PM   #1692
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:21 PM   #1693
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By the way what does spew stand for. I get the gist but I don't know if it stands for something greater or if it is just slang.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:21 PM   #1694
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i'm probably just not going to look specifically for spew/interactions and just reread each of them completely
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:23 PM   #1695
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probably mafia slang i dunno
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:24 PM   #1696
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Dorian on Bhuber today, in two different points:

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bhuber: Also has not posted since I had to leave last night, and the flips also don't reflect much on him. No need to reset here, he's still one of my top townreads and one of the 3 to save.
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And bhuber's been so absent I've totally forgotten about him. I'd have to do a total reread of him to see if I need to throw him in as a possibility.
I am liking Road/bhuber or Road/Dorian more and more, folks.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:29 PM   #1697
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I'm probably being too hard on riki. Especially because ther3 are others who have been more in ratchets wheelhouse. And Achromatic brings up a good point on some day 1 stuff I missed since I'm not reading 5hose few hundred posts


I just need time to analyze. Thank god for nice ling weekends.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:30 PM   #1698
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that second post was after msu's claim though wasn't it

i feel like that claim would be a pretty good reason for him to have to reevaluate bhuber as either alignment
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:31 PM   #1699
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:31 PM   #1700
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i don't really like that dorian has been pretty absent since the claim, when he's been online at around these times on previous days
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