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Old 06-18-2015, 04:31 PM   #1651
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I don't think you have yet...
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:38 PM   #1652
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

bhuber is very likely a buddy of ratchet based on spew still reading but I like this line.

I'm hoping dorian is scum so I didn't play completely **** house day 1.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:39 PM   #1653
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Going to go grab some lunch

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Old 06-18-2015, 04:43 PM   #1654
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What info does this give you? Besides a laundry list of who thinks you're scummy and who you need to focus on nightkilling/defending yourself from. Whoops. I meant proving that you're town to.

I played the game when you asked a couple people about Ratchet vs. Doc, but asking everyone about a scenario that includes yourself? I don't see myself doing that as town, and I decline to play for now. Scumpoint to you, though.
I actually agree here. Visceral reaction to asking everyone to draw a hypothethical line in the sand and align either with or against you isn't doing you favors in how I view you (you being msu)
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:44 PM   #1655
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Bye everyone!! off to see a show!
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:44 PM   #1656
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I actually agree here. Visceral reaction to asking everyone to draw a hypothethical line in the sand and align either with or against you isn't doing you favors in how I view you (you being msu)
I can't wait until he reads the whole thing!
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:51 PM   #1657
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actually yeah this game is simpler than i thought it would be

we have 2 mislynches left and the last 2 mafia are pretty likely to be within bhuber/dorian/road

if the game doesn't end then it's probably banks

but banks/dorian or banks/road probably don't make sense iirc so it's probably not banks

(still haven't reread anything yet though)
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:56 PM   #1658
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Now that I'm caught up....

F*** yea.

Told you all to have faith in me and my method. It's not a lot of posts but it's a pretty decent BS detector. Thank you for the faith (even though it did come with peeking me pre game) MSU.

But I won't be happy until I am bathed in the blood of the last wolf or the wolves have me drowning in a pool of my own.

Time to start reading for who should go next.
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:05 PM   #1659
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Urgh, the time I'm going to be busy and I see it all going balls up for me.

Anyway, I know this probably isn't going to change anyone's minds here, but I am Town. I am not the Cop. The real Cop should definitely counter claim, even if they think I'm scum. Because the fact of the matter is that they are wrong on me being scum, and they are giving MSU the chance to set up a lynch on themselves when they do actually counter-claim him.

It's a 1:1 trade for Mafia, but they still only need 2 mislynches after me (seeing as they need 4 lynches and 3 kills). Get the Cop mislynched Day 3 citing the poor counter claim and then they sacrifice MSU, needing only one more mislynch to win effectively. It's quite a brilliant idea, really.

Alas, I'm not going to be here to see the end of day in all likelihood. I just hope the real Cop heads what I say, because I know, and they should now know, that MSU is definitely scum.
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:45 PM   #1660
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After the cop claim I prioritized my irl stuff.
Also I'm not a big believer in making spewanalysis before we know for sure that Ratchet is actually scum. We have a long weekend to do that.
Maybe I'm just tunneling Banks right now, but his attempt to make ppl do spewanalysis already seems opportunistic to me.

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The one thing you really should spend time on up to eod, if you are town, is helping the village win the game, by elaborating on your thoughts, who are scum, who are townies, anything specific that we should remember to focus on and so on.
There are no reason to defend yourself as you will always be lynches unless we see a counterclaim
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:46 PM   #1661
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:01 PM   #1662
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And MSU leaves before he can comment, well hell. Moving on then!

Says Riki is now his second strongest town read.

Votes MSU who we now know is town

Tells Doc, also confirmed town, to address his points. He likes to engage in discussion with town, he actively seeks it out. Good to note that down.

He has a series of posts where he engaged with Doc/MSU/cue heavily, furthering my assumption that he enjoys sparring with town a good deal.

Tells Banker he will try to be here at EoD.

Chimes in a discussion between myself and font about Bhuber's scum hunting tactics with this:

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If I may chime in here, I think voting analysis is important, but I prefer it later in the game when we can see a series of lynch wagons and what they actually resulted in. I don't see using voting analysis as scummy itself.
I find this interesting because me and fonti are discussing Bhuber and Ratchet finds a way to not really make it about Bhuber. That's a bad thing for Bhuber, if only slightly.

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To be fair, he did say he was giving his vote to Achro, so seeing as that is who Achro voted, I wouldn't say it was surprising. I'm still not sure why he'd give his vote away like that though, and there is only so much I'm willing to consider as reasonable play.
Font is so town to me it hurts. Just saying this reply to Font really just feels like a scum talking to not a buddy from my view.

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Wait, why would it be any different? I mean, both are championship games, so...? Is it the presence of wildcards in this game?
I think this is the first quote directed at road from Ratchet all game, and it is a total softball question.


By the way anyone suspecting me really needs to read end day where Ratchet is practically clawing at me as I drown him. I mean really, I even forced him to contradict his stance on 'why.' Good lord did I make him hit the panic button repeatedly.

Reaction vote on Slendy, desperately clawing at him. Slendy you so town.

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What do you expect? Me to ignore my previous reads, my wagon and let myself get lynched? Like, seriously, what are you expecting?
Seriously I am so town this game should be super duper easy for you guys. I really am a fool for using such low level meta today on him, he is obviously just swinging at anything that moves and praying at end of day and I think this is amazingly obvious to anyone who reads it.

Font defends Ratchet and Ratchet says “I'm glad you picked up on this.” That's scum talking to town, period.

Riki makes a post that I could see as buddy on buddy when he asks why slendy over cue. Like “hey, what's the plan?” Not much of a vibe, but a little bit of one I think.

Banker calls 'what do you want from me' a lame cop out. Banker is town. You don't call a buddy out 30 minutes before lynch and then fail to bus him. You either pull that trigger or you don't, you don't do a half measure.

Riki asks 'who do you think is more likely to be mafia?' this is a good question. Riki then further prods him about this point. It makes Riki look good.

And so ends day one.

Hm.

Just from day one, and just from the isolation of Ratchet, I shall provide a list.

MSU
Doc
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Banker
Riki
dorian=~Bhuber
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:23 PM   #1663
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Day 2 and oh boy does Ratchet love me. I am going to point to his string of votes/scum reads on confirmed town day one to point out that Ratchet absolutely loves going after town. I know I am town so I won't go into breaking this down much silence this is about finding Ratchet's scum buddies to me, but it might be hard not to prop myself up when he has a love affair with me today.

He does a three on three of three town I believe and now I am wondering if he would really not include one buddy in his town list. He lists Banks, Riki and Font... and I am trying to decide what type of scum player Ratchet is. He's clearly clever and thoughtful. In my experience with clever scum they do not often defend their buddies, but go for middling stances. At this point I would be astounded if Banker is a scum buddy of his given how strongly he has defended him. So much effort propping Banker up. It just feels like buddying of town. It has all of the hallmarks and Banker's attack late day one of Ratchet just feels genuine to me. I am no longer considering Banker as a viable option for Ratchet's buddy at present. It just doesn't add up to me. The buddying there would be too strong I feel.

I am just going to note for my own benefit to those who think Slendy is town like I do that Ratchet talks to me and Slendy in the same quote-a-ton manner quite often.

.He gives us another reads list.

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Town -*
Banks
Riki
Fonti
Dorian

Scum -*
Slendy
MSU
Achro

Rest being null. Slight lean scum on Doc, but I'd rather see more from him first.
Counting doc that's 8 of the 10 players. I would bet a farm that one of the two remaining people he left off are scum (Bhuber and road, for those who don't like to think) and that dorian is the last scum based solely on this. He sneaks one person into his town list, albeit weakly, and he nulls his other buddy. I see this so often from scum where they null a buddy and then toss another into one of the piles with no real conviction. I also think it is very clear that he just loves attacking town given everything presented. So many dead or confirmed town among his scum list. Its glaring and a gold star point for Slendy.

Dorian asks who benefits from cue being killed, and Ratchet has an interesting reply:

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Now, I can only really answer this from what would make sense to me. I think Cue was killed because of his style of play, he was never going to be an easy lynch to push despite being in the running and for that reason I think scum didn't want him to grow into the game and hurt them. Who stands to benefit? Well, Slendy/Achro initially, because of the idea that was pushed there, but other than those I think a large part of the kill is that it doesn't really benefit anyone in particular. It's entirely possible that this is completely wrong, but I couldn't work out cue's angle, and I am struggling to see how anyone would look at the kill and think "yeah, he might benefit us here or he might do this there". I think it was a really strong kill for Night 1, given the circumstances, and that's about all I have to offer on this issue.
I don't know what to make of this. I thought it was quite a softball question but Ratchet really struggles to answer it in a good way. This is the first point in awhile in the direction that Dorian is town.

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Achro and Slendy defended pretty well I think, so they have that in their favour. I wouldn't say it is enough to switch them from one side to another, but it needs to be considered (because otherwise, what is the point in expecting a defense at all).*
Quoting for how good this makes me and Slendy look. I can't help myself he keeps talking to people I firmly think are town so I don't have much to find today.

Oh, he finally talks to road for like the second time this game.

[quote]I'd suggest reading Dorion'sposts at the very, very least, because he provides summaries of events often.* [quote]

Oh man, does Ratchet tell one scum buddy to read another scum buddy's posts. I... don't know. That gives me pause. That's … interesting. No idea how to read into this one.

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I don't like the <bolded>. It's like you're giving permission for us to suspect you, in an effort to come across as genuine and sincere. Like it's all "sorry guys, I'll try and help out but if I don't, don't feel bad, honestly!". Nothing particularly strong, but it comes across as false to me.
He doesn't like something from road, but he qualifies it with not 'strong', but you know if he has to bus this buddy he totes will.

Yeah day 2 didn't have much for me to really cling to as he posted a lot less and a lot of it was about me, slendy, and MSU. In summation of the two days going on Ratchet's ISO I think an order of Road, Bhuber, and Dorian probably wins us the game. Of course this is just the first leg, I will need to say what happens when I cross reference those people and see if they help their cases or if it continues to add up.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:36 PM   #1664
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Bhuber only has 40 posts so I should be able to isolate him before deadline today, just to get it out of the way. Not like I'm dying tonight or anything!

Starts out voting MSU. I shrugged this off as probably a towny thing to do but I am not feeling so merciful any longer, because I have decided scum are intelligent creatures.

Something to note about Bhuber: he was supposed to become a lot more active today, Thursday. He said to begin the game. I don't remember his activity spiking today at all.

Bhuber's only real hallmark day one is his dogged pursuit of MSU without ever really changing it up.

In relation to Ratchet the amazing thing about Bhuber is the only interaction between the two in topic is discussing Taylor Swift. They could not have been more distant if they tried. I am troubled with Bhuber not showing up today, but that's probably not alignment related. At least, it'd be very poor form if it was.

Argued with font for a bit, who I think is town.

Nothing good from Bhuber here, given he tunneled the town cop all of day one. Nothing concrete, which I guess should be expected from a low post poster.

Yeah if Bhuber is town he really needs to show up and prove it, I don't think there's much of a case that he's anything but a waste of space right now.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:38 PM   #1665
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Can we all agree that following ratchets posts basically makes riki look horrible? Because it does. Riki is playing the most passive game possible (at least when I'm watching) but man does his name frequently come up in ratchets posts. And always in a great light, especially considering how "go with the flow" hes been all game.

Just a thought
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:41 PM   #1666
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Doc I know you don't have a lot of time but if you could at least read the big posts I am putting a ton of effort into (that happen to disagree with you) that would be fantastic. I mean if you're right and I am wrong I'd love to have your insight as to why you think how I view things is wrong so we can get on the right track.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:44 PM   #1667
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bhuber said he would be online at around this time yesterday, so it's not a great look that he isn't
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:46 PM   #1668
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Bhuber only has 40 posts so I should be able to isolate him before deadline today, just to get it out of the way. Not like I'm dying tonight or anything!

Starts out voting MSU. I shrugged this off as probably a towny thing to do but I am not feeling so merciful any longer, because I have decided scum are intelligent creatures.

Something to note about Bhuber: he was supposed to become a lot more active today, Thursday. He said to begin the game. I don't remember his activity spiking today at all.

Bhuber's only real hallmark day one is his dogged pursuit of MSU without ever really changing it up.

In relation to Ratchet the amazing thing about Bhuber is the only interaction between the two in topic is discussing Taylor Swift. They could not have been more distant if they tried. I am troubled with Bhuber not showing up today, but that's probably not alignment related. At least, it'd be very poor form if it was.

Argued with font for a bit, who I think is town.

Nothing good from Bhuber here, given he tunneled the town cop all of day one. Nothing concrete, which I guess should be expected from a low post poster.

Yeah if Bhuber is town he really needs to show up and prove it, I don't think there's much of a case that he's anything but a waste of space right now.
I dont think the wolves as a whole have this level of strategy (because frankly it's hard to coordinate this in reality since every one has to reply to the questions they get and can't control their activity level perfectly) but an ideal wolf alignment would be two people who collaborate openly on feels and reads and back each other uo and a third who purposely stays uninvolved in the activities of the other two at all costs.

I again, don't think the mafia are actually doing this. But if they were that would be my argument for bhuber. To have someone who, to me, was pretty damn wolfy looking and have bhuber be such a swagger player yet never comment on ratchet or riki that I've seen (Yea. Now assuming riki is a wolf. I'm taking it a step too far? Should I just assume road instead?). Just seems unlikely.

But I'm inclined to believe bhuber is ballsy as hell. And he might be a wolf or he might be just plain ballsy. I am not downplaying I think he is a prime wolf candidate. But he does seem inactive because of real life. Which I definitely understand.
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Can we all agree that following ratchets posts basically makes riki look horrible? Because it does. Riki is playing the most passive game possible (at least when I'm watching) but man does his name frequently come up in ratchets posts. And always in a great light, especially considering how "go with the flow" hes been all game.

Just a thought
i think the bolded is a terrible description of how i've played this game

like i'm not a particularly aggressive person so i can kind of agree with calling me passive maybe but either you have a different interpretation of "go with the flow" than i do or you're just not reading my posts or something

also i think it's pretty likely that he'd talk about me a lot given that i have the second most posts itt by a significant margin
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Achro doing serious work. We're coming to similar conclusions on ratchet spew. I will be writing my post up over night.

I think bhuber is scum with ratchet almost always with dorian and road the other two. I will be borderline shocked if lynching those 4 isn't a town win.

Doc can you put the quotes that make riki look poor? Feel free to do so at your leisure.
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A thing about road that I find very damning for him in relation to scum fearing Ratchet may have been peeked is the fact that road barely mentioned Ratchet day one. Like, no interaction. He mentioned Ratchet once all day basically day one and that was to say 'he'd be okay with that wagon' (without...ever saying anything game related about Ratchet. Seriously. Nothing. Go look it up) but today it is ratchet this, ratchet that, ratchet ratchet ratchet in such a way that is very fence sitting in nature. I'll quote block this more tomorrow but I urge everyone to isolate at least road tonight and look at his tone towards Ratchet today.
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Doc I know you don't have a lot of time but if you could at least read the big posts I am putting a ton of effort into (that happen to disagree with you) that would be fantastic. I mean if you're right and I am wrong I'd love to have your insight as to why you think how I view things is wrong so we can get on the right track.
I dont honestly have the magic "this is the right one" feel for anyone like I did for ratchet at the end of the last day round and all throughout this day round. So don't expect some great feat of insight from me tonight. Maybe tomorrow when I've had more time to toy with the posts.

Your analysis is awesome but I'm not seeing where you're saying riki is good. I see the one thing that was light scum and the one thing you view as light villager, but that's all the comment I saw from you about him in th3 big block. Seemed like an even split from what i read. Me personally I don't like how Riki is playing but I can't nail down what's wrong except that they played awfully close to Ratchet in my mind and have been saying things that (in hindsight ) seem unproductive towards villager goals.

But maybe I'm missing it. Care to elaborate more on your thoughts on riki? Your breakdown of e erything ratchet did is amazingly invaluable and saves me tons of time, but I think I'd want to extract riki and see your thoughts there.
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I hate that msu left but it is what it is.

Ratchet's pop in post is funny. Ratchet word to the wise. lolcats <<<< post em up.


This lynch is kinda settled which makes it nice for me not having to stress. READ FOR SPEW PLZ
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i think the bolded is a terrible description of how i've played this game

like i'm not a particularly aggressive person so i can kind of agree with calling me passive maybe but either you have a different interpretation of "go with the flow" than i do or you're just not reading my posts or something

also i think it's pretty likely that he'd talk about me a lot given that i have the second most posts itt by a significant margin
Remember I skipped about 200 to 300 posts yesterday. Probably was part of your activity in there.
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Achro doing serious work. We're coming to similar conclusions on ratchet spew. I will be writing my post up over night.

I think bhuber is scum with ratchet almost always with dorian and road the other two. I will be borderline shocked if lynching those 4 isn't a town win.

Doc can you put the quotes that make riki look poor? Feel free to do so at your leisure.
I'll try. 5 more hours on my shift, but it's getting busy again.
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