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Old 06-18-2015, 02:09 PM   #1526
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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So for a show of hands today, in a scenario if it comes down to Ratchet vs. MSU - who are you voting for?
What info does this give you? Besides a laundry list of who thinks you're scummy and who you need to focus on nightkilling/defending yourself from. Whoops. I meant proving that you're town to.

I played the game when you asked a couple people about Ratchet vs. Doc, but asking everyone about a scenario that includes yourself? I don't see myself doing that as town, and I decline to play for now. Scumpoint to you, though.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:11 PM   #1527
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What info does this give you? Besides a laundry list of who thinks you're scummy and who you need to focus on nightkilling/defending yourself from. Whoops. I meant proving that you're town to.

I played the game when you asked a couple people about Ratchet vs. Doc, but asking everyone about a scenario that includes yourself? I don't see myself doing that as town, and I decline to play for now. Scumpoint to you, though.
Noted.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:13 PM   #1528
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I would vote for you MSU but I would not like it.

Also I hope nothing is made out of what is essentially a typo, I mean really now <_<.
Oh. You meant to say you believed that Ratchet is town because of who her scumreads are? I didn't get the typo-nature from the original answer. Got it now. And yet, I feel like Doc answered answered your question as it was written - why did Ratchet's choice for scumreads make her mafia. I suppose if he disagreed with you, the answer would have been the same, though. I'll drop this line for now.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:15 PM   #1529
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Dorian I posted earlier stating Ratchet was town for the scum reads, if you want to find it.

And yeah I totally just read Ratchet's post as disagreement.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:15 PM   #1530
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Noted.
Didn't answer the question as to what info it gives him. Also noted.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:22 PM   #1531
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

well, I don't think I am gonna have enough time to do this later and my apologies if everyone thinks this is too soon in the day - but this is gonna be a long post. Also, think of me as the detective who points out the killer at the end of an 80s Murder She Wrote - I am channeling Angela Lansbury realness right now.

First, my apologies to everyone for my "bad" playing....I did it on purpose. I did it in game 2 to some effect but it didn't work out QUITE as well this time. Those of you who read my previous game were right, when I am town, I play a quiet, calculated, and intense game. I am methodical and yadda yadda yadda. But that got me killed on night 2 in the last game so I had to think to myself "Self...how you gonna make it a bit farther." And also, "Self, how can you have fun?"

So I decided to instead of playing aggressive...play aggressive and loose. Maybe even get people to think I am scum because of how loose I am playing. And it worked on day 1...almost too well. Almost backfired even! And now I think I am just being detrimental to all of you.

But I truly have had some busy days at work and couldn't respond fast enough, couldn't read into things fast enough, etc etc.

So anyways....the vote at EOD on night 1 was FASCINATING. I love that and I am sorry I am not gonna see a day 3.

Once again, my game ends tonight on night 2.

For you see, when I got my role...I thought to myself, how the hell am I going to avoid a nightkill. Make the town think I am scum and survive long enough to find a mafia member.

And I did.

For you see, I am your cop. And on night 1, I found a scummer. I bet you all can't guess who I targeted?

And you all played along with me today - so thank you.

Ratchet

Now let's look at who Ratchet's buddies are.

Slendy/Achro - highly unlikely on day 1 to switch to their buddy when there were other targets available - Ratchet was out of no where. I commend Slendy for that. Achro was vote 2, followed by Cue (Town), Me (Town), and Smartbomb (town).

yet, Slendy today is PRETTY sure now that Ratchet is not scum. Even when he pushed on him yesterday. Good arguing from Ratchet! I find it fascinating. So a scenario is - what if Slendy decided to push on Ratchet when he was attacked (Ratchet wasn't voting for Slendy at the time) to make himself seem better.

Maybe That is why Banksy/Riki went over to Smartbomb (more Banksy) in order to give room for Slendy to pound on Ratchet. And why Banksy was screaming - get over to Smartbomb. It almost worked too well for Slendy! Then today, they start off fighting...going back and forth allowing Ratchet to build his case and Slendy to finish what he started without just looking odd.

So a first scenario is this: Ratchet is mafia, Banksy/Riki and Slendy are paired up with him. More Banksy than Riki though.

But what I think really happened is...cause that is a brilliant idea that I am not sure anyone could have REALLY pulled off on day 1. Maybe I am underestimating our players. This is the championship.

I think Ratchet had a 4 (should have been 5 with Cue) town train. I would BE SO SHOCKED if Acro and Slendy are scum (or if one of them is scum). There were so many other options to jump to. No one would have blinked an eye. Such a risky move...

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5 SmartBomb dorian78 (31), TehBankertin (215), Riki (181), RatchetOPB (76), cue5c (138)
4 RatchetOPB Achromatic (85), Slendy (38), SmartBomb (52), MSU (55)
3 cue5c DocEspana (26), road (59), fontisian (92)
1 MSU bhuber2010 (36)
Our end of day vote count.

bhuber2010 - still on me - was it because he never got on? But eh, he was always on me - I'll chock that up to him not being on but he leans scum. Even his posts today, he voted for Ratchet and ghosted. I like that he voted for Ratchet but it could all change at the end. I don't know...you all will have to figure him out.

DocEspana - voted for Cue. Also busy. Wasn't around EOD - can't really ask him how he would have voted. Hope he contributes more because if not, I can see you all taking him out but I think he leans town for what I have read. Gut feeling. Emotional and all.

dorian78 - Dorian, dorian, dorian - you and Ratchet have been complimenting each other, tap dancing around each other, never confronting each other. And honestly, you listing Ratchet last as the one you had to think about? THAT is why I think you are mafia number 2.

fontisian - Stayed on Cue, obsessed even, could be the third mafia....doubt it but could be.

Riki - I don't think all three were Smartbomb but if they were and Dorian is clear, I think Riki is the number 2 on Smartbomb. I think for Smartbomb to be lynched, someone had to switch over who was friends with Ratchet - hence, there is a second one on there. It was too close. So Riki, if not Dorian, I think you.

road - Road. You haven't contributed anything. I think you are the third mafia - the one who stayed on Cue and didn't move to either knowing that one, you didn't want to implicate your mafia OR have all three on the same Smartbomb train. You went offline - could be TOTALLY innocent but all you are doing is commentating and reporting on what people said - you will have to convince the Town, not me because I'll be dead, about your innocence.

TehBankertin - Banksy! You REFUSED to vote for Ratchet. You said that MULTIPLE times. But I don't think you would have done that if you were in league with him. Like, that is BALLSY and could be viewed as brilliant. But you wanted a mafia lynch on day 1 and you could have had it.

One of these guys above is my peek - which means I will put a target on his/her head if I reveal (should I reveal?)

I mean, through process of elimination, I bet you can guess. I was pretty open about it in case I died on night 1.

And there you have it, friends - for the last 24 hours, you have been wondering why I have been posting what I have been posting and how I am playing a bad mafia game, and I might have - but I did it so i could figure out who is partners with Ratchet.

Also, for those that think I should have stayed hidden, I don't honestly think I was gonna make it past tonight because I have been pushing REAL hard on Ratchet today (for a reason).

I also don't think I played it right but I have never been the cop in a game like this - and I found scum on night 2. It was exciting! LOL But yeah, if I had to do it all over again, I would have changed things up. But eh, you live, you learn.

for those that are watching...well, I hope at least I entertained! And for those of you who vote in the end, if I am at all right about any of this, remember, vote MSU for the final game.

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Old 06-18-2015, 02:24 PM   #1532
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What info does this give you? Besides a laundry list of who thinks you're scummy and who you need to focus on nightkilling/defending yourself from. Whoops. I meant proving that you're town to.

I played the game when you asked a couple people about Ratchet vs. Doc, but asking everyone about a scenario that includes yourself? I don't see myself doing that as town, and I decline to play for now. Scumpoint to you, though.
(tips hat)

Technically I was doing it if I should do the reveal because I am not going to be on EOD (I have tickets to see Book of Mormon) and well...I get the feeling I have overstayed my welcome.

But thank you for not playing....you made it easier for the others.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:31 PM   #1533
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MSU/Ratchet. I dont think you two will end up as wagons. I'm quite sure I have found a scum. And even though i have to bust my cover, I'm quite sure this is the best timing - I would have liked to pressure him before presenting the case, but as i'm not having that much time and he havent been online since i got online, i'm just going to post it, and let others comment on it. I'm prolly quite out of sync with this d2, so i could be missing something, but then i expect ppl to comment on why i'm wrong. But really, I'm not wrong. I feel as certain as I have been about any scumread lately

I believe Banks is scum

I believe he is scum because of the following reasons:

- He is showing some general wolf tendencies
-- a lack of progression in reads
-- Doing some awkward work
-- simulating being active and productive, but really not contributing with that much
-- showing a bit of double standards

The EOD d1
-- His votingpattern
-- Him not really keeping up his cop-cover (at least in the way i would assume he would do)

Does not look like the game 3 we played together
And my personal focus

--He fakes a lot of interest in wanting to interact with me, but not really doing it.

And yes. This is not something i usually do, but Im certain enough, and i know i dont have much to lose (well i could be wrong and that would suck, but the case is important nevertheless)

I'm going to start multiquoting to show my thoughts
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:32 PM   #1534
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Road - you didn't read my novel, did you?
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:33 PM   #1535
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Ratchet

You're beautiful, MSU. Share your other peek. We're going to need it.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:33 PM   #1536
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First, my apologies to everyone for my "bad" playing....I did it on purpose. I did it in game 2 to some effect but it didn't work out QUITE as well this time. Those of you who read my previous game were right, when I am town, I play a quiet, calculated, and intense game. I am methodical and yadda yadda yadda. But that got me killed on night 2 in the last game so I had to think to myself "Self...how you gonna make it a bit farther." And also, "Self, how can you have fun?"
...A scum in game 3 said this EXACT same thing. We fried him for it.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:34 PM   #1537
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Oh, I didn't read the rest of the post.

...God damnit MSU there was no need to say that.
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...A scum in game 3 said this EXACT same thing. We fried him for it.
Did you not read the rest of my post?!?!?
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:34 PM   #1539
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Clearly not LOL.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:36 PM   #1540
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You're beautiful, MSU. Share your other peek. We're going to need it.
I will....want to see how people will respond.

Because now mafia is freaking out...and I want to see them freak out.

I am not clearing anyone until I log off. Let's see who everyone throws under the bus, tries to come up with the threesome, etc etc.

For all you know, one of the people I pegged as mafia could be my peek.

All you know is my theory I put out there, Ratchet is scum, and I have a peek.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:37 PM   #1541
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Two thoughts.

One for the dead:

God damnit Cue.

One for the alive:

I...got faked out. I hate getting faked out. I had scum day one and I let him off the hook. I am sorry MSU for getting faked out.

Also huge, flaming piles of town points to Doc for correctly seeing through Ratchet's meta. I wish you wouldn't have claimed cop MSU and just stood with that. Doc's post really was amazing.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:38 PM   #1542
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Oh, I didn't read the rest of the post.

...God damnit MSU there was no need to say that.
Yeah there was.

I was gonna swing tonight or die tonight.

I was playing too aggressive and I am not gonna be on EOD to defend myself.

So yeah, I needed to say it.

You thought I leaned town but very few people voted for me today. Which means I think they were gonna try for EOD.

It's a guess but one I am willing to take.

I know, I will miss our time together Achro. I hope you aren't mafia!
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:40 PM   #1543
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I am indeed not mafia. MSU you know what I do once there is blood in the water.

Scum is about to get wrecked.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:41 PM   #1544
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Two thoughts.

One for the dead:

God damnit Cue.

One for the alive:

I...got faked out. I hate getting faked out. I had scum day one and I let him off the hook. I am sorry MSU for getting faked out.

Also huge, flaming piles of town points to Doc for correctly seeing through Ratchet's meta. I wish you wouldn't have claimed cop MSU and just stood with that. Doc's post really was amazing.
No one trusts Doc - he's not posting enough for me to go with Doc. And then everyone is gonna say that I am glomming to fit my own narrative.

NOW Doc looks town because I KNOW Ratchet is mafia.

THAT is why I was being all over the map but still single focused on Ratchet. I got us discussing our thoughts (had to keep the discussion on Ratchet) around it and STAYING on it for almost 30 hours.

Now we have data and things to look for!

And even Road said it - I don't think Ratchet is gonna get lynched (me or Ratchet). I just couldn't risk it with me being gone for the final 2.5 hours of the day (Book of Mormon).
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I am indeed not mafia. MSU you know what I do once there is blood in the water.

Scum is about to get wrecked.
Which is why I really hope you can avenge my death tonight.

Make me proud Achro...proud like in Game 2 after you switched back to Sapo.

I couldn't tell you how proud of you I was that day Achro...but I was.

/ends dramatic death bed scene

Seriously, you all have TONS of data and are MUCH better at analyzing it then I am. I am good at seeing through people and poking at them to make them talk.

Look how quiet it's gotten!
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(tips hat)

Technically I was doing it if I should do the reveal because I am not going to be on EOD (I have tickets to see Book of Mormon) and well...I get the feeling I have overstayed my welcome.

But thank you for not playing....you made it easier for the others.
Well, now the game gets interesting, and I have a lot to process. The quick reply to this point, though, is that if I were mafia, I would have answered your question with Ratchet 100% of the time. It's consistent with the reads and 3x3 I gave you earlier, and then I'm free to actually vote road or Doc, who I'd listed as people I'd prefer to kill.
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By the way MSU I hope you don't mind me saying but I I am about 95% certain I know who you peeked. I won't say, but yeah. I could be wrong but it doesn't feel like it.

I am going to walk my dog AND THEN HAVE SOME FUN WITH MY GOOD FRIEND RATCHET.
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You say really awkward things or phrase them odd are you up at a time you normally wouldn't be?
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Agreed. He probably is a wolf though.
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Damn was hoping you could convince mafia to concede so I can watch the WSOP tonight.
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Archomatic seems to be game solving and confident in himself. I feel like this is a mirror of his town game from game 2. I know he was confident and wanted to be here I was surprised by his entrance but I believe he was sincere in beating children at putt putt and has sense impressed me.

I see riki as asking good questions to people and trying to delve into the meanings behind the posts. Also this is my n0 peek.

Cue5s carefree attitude is a very confident scum player or more likely a cocky town as I think is more often than not common in these champs game they bring the strong town and the occasional scary scum.

Bhuber and me have lined up on a lot of reads thus far I'm slightly worried he is buddying me but I hadn't mentioned my MSU suspicion before he made the most I base this solely off the t-swift thing.

Fonti I think is wrong on a couple of things but I feel like she is actively hunting for scum, she wants to get a lynch on someone she is ready to fight and battle for it. I think if she is scum it will be apparent who she is fighting for. From my video mafia experience she is play a LOT like her town game but it is different from her town game on forum so I'm most hesitant about this read.

MSU is giving softball reads and essentially just checking in posts. It seems like he wants to be noted but not noticed. This is a huge scum tell imo. Someone who wants to just slip through the cracks and make it through the day. His concern doesn't seem to be finding a lynch.

I put road on the scum list because I liked cue's point on him. I also had noticed he was ready to buddy with me at a point I felt he probably hadn't progressed to yet. I was most hesitant about this scum read than any of my other reads.
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Cue - next level scum or town, his play as town is like the bad guy people look at and he gets reads from it. His play as scum is to openly troll with the group we have this won't survive all game. Town because I do see his solviness.
Fonti - She is playing what I think is her forum town game. I don't like her push on cue but I've been wrong before. I feel like she wants to win and I like that. She however knows this so the caveat is her read on me for the one cheerleader post is 2easy gives me slight pause.
Ratchet - The overnight was good imo. Like being isolated in a bubble trying to put pieces together with no one around made me confident on them again. Although I will say there is overeagerness to please here that reminds me a bit of lissa from game 4.
Achromatic - Probably town. I think he wants to get a win and I liked his early day 1. A filter dive on him would be good to do over night to see how he lines up to game 2 where he was quite a strong asset.

Switzerland:
Bhuber: If msu is town and I think fonti is bhuber has been lackluster. He comes out strong but that sort of short burst of aggression is something I'd expect anyone here to be able to do as scum. Him not really keeping it up has dropped him from my town circle into neutral land.
Road - He gives me a lot of pause with some of the stuff he says but then he points out things like his point on cue that I think was pretty good. He was looking for something to point out that was scummy and going on it. I'm kinda sad that I don't have a better read on the 1 person i've played with before. I'm a bit nervous I think about it.
Doc - Dude works in the ER so his catchup taking forever is understandable but kidna reminds me of turnup from last game that I keep making excuses for his inactivity in my head and side step it, except I've liked some of the stuff he has said. WEll minus his whole "I was acting like x so that i could see who went on it" type deal seems needless and easy for scum to do as a lot of times things liek that catch town > scum.
MSU - He is bottom of the list his posting was better although I will say he doesn't get into the town circle yet that **** takes time. You need to show some effort and WIM (Want it more) for me to really believe you are town.


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Dorian - I actually really hated his push towards smartbomb. I think it was over explained and too wordy. I feel like he isn't having an impact in the game.
Smartbomb - I do however think that smartbomb could be scum based upon the points of him pointing out he hates people "being right" which you wouldn't know if someone was right unless it was exactly on yourself. I feel like scum say this a lot its kind of a new scum catcher but he I think is being honest that his scum game is below average.
Slendy - I think his push early was getting into the game a bit too quickly and didn't feel natural like he had to show up and make a splash. He hasn't posted in a long while so hopefully he shows up and make me more confident one way or the other. (I'm worried of a hibiki lynch from game 3)
Okay I quoted these post to show the lack of real progression in his reads. Well, he has some smaller progressions, but the case is, that he started out being suspiciou to dorian and smartbom and end up having them as his scumreads.

You can see his progress there. Also taking his reads today (d2) in to consideration (i pushed quote before finding htem, lol), but really most of his reads havent evolved since mid-d1.

I really wanted to set this up in a much more nice fashion, but im afraid i wont have time to present every reason i have, if i spend that much time on that - but i will just try to find his d2-reads (if he made them in one post), so you can see it in perspective.
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^^
Oh the first quotes about smartbomb
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:47 PM   #1550
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^^ And the third quote is to cue. Generally when reading through d1 I felt like Banks talked to cue knowing he was a villager. Could be just a strong read, but it really was strange re-reading with that focus
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