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Old 06-17-2015, 11:19 PM   #1451
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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i mean he hasn't really considered anything that ratchet has said today afaict but if ratchet flips town his first thought is to sheep the world that ratchet has been pushing

that's pretty weird
Oh okay I didn't think of that Thats a pretty good point. hmm.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:23 PM   #1452
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I haven't read any of the mafia chats from here, and have no experience with this basic a setup. Of course the mafia wants to find the cop on night 1. But if they can't come to a consensus or don't have any strong ideas, then I feel like all other sorts of option become more viable. I think one of the games I read, most people thought the N1 nightkill was just for being too strong a player, not SHK.

I've already said cue was a good choice because, despite the wagon at the end of the day, I think he was going to be increasingly harder to actually mislynch. I also think that cue left hardly any concrete info or opinions to go over, giving little info from his kill. I've also seen at least one person claim cue was their cop scan last night. I can see cue being a high choice for the N1 scan as someone who was tough for some to read and could have lived fairly long. If you don't have a strong guess for cop, anticipating their scan target isn't bad play either.
I think in game 4 they kind of said that about riki thinking that he might be cop also but he was wrecking that game.

I think you're a wolf.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:23 PM   #1453
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and it doesn't seem like you've paid any attention to it
I actually have. I have read them all. I will admit - he is a VERY good player at this game.

I am concentrating on EOD yesterday because as I know, it's harder to defend yourself and make coherent well thought out posts as the clock begins to tick down.

I know, you will say I am ignoring the good and concentrating on the bad. But when someone has all the time to figure out a defense, and you are a good player, of COURSE you are going to do well. When time is ticking and you get knocked from out of left field? That's when it's REALLY hard.

And I think he's a good player - truly.

@Ratchet - besides me (since I think I am an easy guess right now and people want me to swing) - has the past day changed your opinion of ANYONE in this game from one side to the other?
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:24 PM   #1454
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I have been thinking about Dorian today (hence my initial questions of him earlier) - and I think part of the problem I had was getting past my Game 2 and Slendy. Honestly. Mea Culpa. If Ratchet and Bomb are town, and i know I am town, then Dorian DOES look really bad.

I think that I would have gotten a lot more attention for flipping to Ratchet from Slendy if flips town - I think noose worthy. My train was 5. It was one of the few moments that everyone agreed on something. LOL

I am not saying you WOULD be a wolf - I am saying that you might have more explaining to do. A case could be made. You would, hopefully, argue against it.
Understandable. Lets try to figure out who is what alignment then roll out some associative stuff. Also I think that if ratchet flips scum then I'd get more heat than him being town either way it won't be an issue. My towniness is absolute.

There is a wolf in dorian posting you should talk to him for a bit.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:37 PM   #1455
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I think you're a wolf.
Oh, Banks. You've flip-flopped on me more times than I can count since the beginning of the game. If that helps you solve me, though, by all means, keep doing it. Making one of your bigger points against me the fact that the votes fell off of me at the end of day makes no sense, though. Slendy's was an early vote that he immediately moved after returning from a long period afk, and of the votes that were actually based on anything beyond a quick reaction-read of my OP, you're the one who moved your vote off of me, which prompted Riki to do the same.

The biggest reason you've named for thinking I'm scum currently is that you moved your vote off of me. That's super-sketchy.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:41 PM   #1456
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Oh, Banks. You've flip-flopped on me more times than I can count since the beginning of the game. If that helps you solve me, though, by all means, keep doing it. Making one of your bigger points against me the fact that the votes fell off of me at the end of day makes no sense, though. Slendy's was an early vote that he immediately moved after returning from a long period afk, and of the votes that were actually based on anything beyond a quick reaction-read of my OP, you're the one who moved your vote off of me, which prompted Riki to do the same.

The biggest reason you've named for thinking I'm scum currently is that you moved your vote off of me. That's super-sketchy.
So you think I'm a wolf for pushing this line on you?

I think you're a wolf for the way you're approaching the game.

I will keep flip flopping as long as I need to to get the proper read on you.

So far if you're town you have yet to make this process easy.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:48 PM   #1457
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So you think I'm a wolf for pushing this line on you?

I think you're a wolf for the way you're approaching the game.

I will keep flip flopping as long as I need to to get the proper read on you.

So far if you're town you have yet to make this process easy.
It's a small point in that direction to me, yes. If you're town, well, sorry if you don't think I'm making it easy, but that's because what people used to this format are looking for is hard for people who aren't used to this format to provide.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:49 PM   #1458
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Leaving work soon. I'll be back in a bit.

I'd love to get some more input from some people on dorian.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:56 PM   #1459
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And I'm leaving for bed. Back in the morning.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:01 AM   #1460
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3 road fontisian (26), MSU (36), Riki (47)
1 MSU Slendy (59)
1 DocEspana dorian78 (20)
1 dorian78 TehBankertin (75)
1 no lynch DocEspana (6)
3 not voting Achromatic (28), bhuber2010 (4), road (12)
1 Error RatchetOPB (20)
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:08 AM   #1461
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So you think I'm a wolf for pushing this line on you?

I think you're a wolf for the way you're approaching the game.

I will keep flip flopping as long as I need to to get the proper read on you.

So far if you're town you have yet to make this process easy.
what did you think of his reads he posted today?
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:17 AM   #1462
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wait why is doc voting no lynch
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:21 AM   #1463
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banks i think this is like pretty similar to what happened with you/hibiki in game 3

i think dorian has pretty decent reads but afaict you're still set on him being a wolf for something (his wagon not getting votes?) that probably shouldn't be given that much weight
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:23 AM   #1464
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if nothing else

if his reads are like the same as mine then if he's mafia then i'm terrible at the game

which is uh, maybe possible but i don't wanna go there yet

or he's like townsiding or something which is good enough for me for now
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:29 AM   #1465
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I actually have. I have read them all. I will admit - he is a VERY good player at this game.

I am concentrating on EOD yesterday because as I know, it's harder to defend yourself and make coherent well thought out posts as the clock begins to tick down.

I know, you will say I am ignoring the good and concentrating on the bad. But when someone has all the time to figure out a defense, and you are a good player, of COURSE you are going to do well. When time is ticking and you get knocked from out of left field? That's when it's REALLY hard.

And I think he's a good player - truly.

@Ratchet - besides me (since I think I am an easy guess right now and people want me to swing) - has the past day changed your opinion of ANYONE in this game from one side to the other?
so you're saying you like his defense but you put more weight into his eod which you don't like?

not wanting to reevaluate on people doesn't seem like a good way to play mafia in general but meh
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:29 AM   #1466
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what do you think of other content that other players have posted today though

like dorian, road, doc, etc.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:50 AM   #1467
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you're still set on him being a wolf for something (his wagon not getting votes?) that probably shouldn't be given that much weight
like weirder things have happened

like i think slendy and ratchet are probably town which means that if we had a wolf wagon near eod it would be msu

and his wagon died with like 40 minutes left

after that point if dorian is town then all of the wagons are town and mafia literally don't give a ****

when msu was still a wagon, the only players that were around that weren't voting either msu or dorian were fonti, achro, and cue

fonti was obv voting cue and achro had recently started the slendy wagon and him switching would be weird af, plus there were like 40 minutes left so he wouldn't have been particularly panicked either even if he was scum with msu

any other possible teammates that msu could've had were afk
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:52 AM   #1468
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i agree that if ratchet is a wolf then the probability of dorian wolf goes up significantly

unless like ratchet's wolf teammates are all afk

but if not, in that case, i agree the dorian wagon not getting any votes is definitely sketchy, especially since the other wagons were cue, slendy, msu, none of which i think had any real possibility of going through
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:54 AM   #1469
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basically unless you think ratchet is a wolf i don't think you should believe dorian is a wolf

based off eod anyway

if you have other reasons for thinking dorian is a wolf lolme
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:58 AM   #1470
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10 posts in a row tho
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:05 AM   #1471
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also

achro

since you switched from slendy to ratchet so easily yesterday, i assume you had like a slighty scum lean on him from before

so if that's the case why didn't you start a wagon on him instead of like slendy who had been afk for a while
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:08 AM   #1472
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to give a several hour late answer to people who were talking about how msu/achro would be aligning too hard if they were scum together by voting together

they already kind of aligned themselves if they're scum together by achro defending msu and then starting slendy as a counterwagon

so like even if msu doesn't vote with achro on slendy, that's still there

so, might as well vote with achro to make it look like they're aligning too hard to actually be aligned amirite

idk
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:23 AM   #1473
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i might be confirmation biasing at this point

but it would be pretty sick if all three mafia were the people who aren't townreading me this game

i.e. msu/road/achro

it's like they need me as a mislynch or something
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:24 AM   #1474
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doc might be reaching the point where he's so inactive that mafia are afraid to call him out anymore because they're scared of looking scummy for doing it and/or for after he flips
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:25 AM   #1475
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or he's just mafia idk
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