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Old 06-17-2015, 10:17 PM   #1426
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This is still relevant, especially with Smartbomb's flip. If MSU is scum, where's the counterwagon? If he's town, where's the scum on him?
Thats 10 hours before EoD o.0 almost 11.

The other one you linked is 24 hours before EoD. I think doc was voting me because I replied "I'm town"


What do you think these two vote counts tell you that far away from EoD?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:20 PM   #1427
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what if he doesn't flip mafia?
I'll even expound on that - if I'm wrong, and he flips Town, then a few things:

1) Achro and Slendy look worse while Dorian looks better. Slendy cast the stone, Achro followed from Slendy. Achro could have easily been waiting for Slendy to come back on and look for ANY opportunity to switch over and Slendy gave it to him. Before that, if Slendy hadn't re-appeared, Achro could have just coasted to the end, switched his vote to a non-mafia member or just voted off his partner, looking amazing to the rest of us.

2) I look horrible. I will most likely be the next to be lynched. No one will ever trust me in this game again. And I will most likely not be voted as "all star" in this game.

3) Banks looks worse. He said he wouldn't lynch him (although he said he would rather lynch Ratchet over Cue if was just between them) and some might say "Well, that's because you knew he was Town!". It's not that this scenario = Banksy mafia but it looks bad.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:22 PM   #1428
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MSU and Achro are the ones most on my mind right now, actually.

If I was in MSU's shoes, and Achro was my Scumbuddy, I probably wouldn't have joined a wagon joined by him [Achro] at the last minute. Especially since MSU/Achro would quite heavily imply that all the D1-wagons were Town.

Is that just me, though?
I am not that bad of a mafia player. Thank you for acknowledging that.

I also wouldn't be listing Achro in any of my reads.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:25 PM   #1429
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That the only reason you're voting him because he was on cue with you?
No. I think he's made several overly self-conscious statements.

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Perhaps the wagon on me was the counterwagon?
Possible. That would implicate Achromatic with MSU. Still, there were other people to go after and the MSU wagon was the largest one for a /long/ time.

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Thats 10 hours before EoD o.0 almost 11.

The other one you linked is 24 hours before EoD. I think doc was voting me because I replied "I'm town"


What do you think these two vote counts tell you that far away from EoD?

Ok, when we're done with this game, you're going through Vote Count Analysis bootcamp with me.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:27 PM   #1430
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And to be maybe a bit mean judging by the night kill which I found to be a poor choice I don't know if we're dealing with three amazing scum players who are capable of doing that.
I think you've said you think the nightkill was clearly SHK, and I feel much less strongly about that. Can you explain further why you thought cue a poor choice? I find cue a very unexpected and surprisingly good choice if the mafia weren't picking up strong enough reads to try and find the cop.

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Archo flipped to Ratchet when he could have stayed on Slendy. Why?

No reason for mafia Achro to flip and listen to Slendy. I believe he was the second one to do so.
Disagree. I've already given one reason that makes sense to me, though Achro denied it, and there's really nothing further to pursue with that line of thought. There are others as well.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:27 PM   #1431
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Also this. I think everyone voting on Banks was town, so that's weird.
fwiw i was voting banks because of the taylor swift thing
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:28 PM   #1432
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Ok, then it's less weird. We'll disregard that wagon.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:28 PM   #1433
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I'll even expound on that - if I'm wrong, and he flips Town, then a few things:

1) Achro and Slendy look worse while Dorian looks better. Slendy cast the stone, Achro followed from Slendy. Achro could have easily been waiting for Slendy to come back on and look for ANY opportunity to switch over and Slendy gave it to him. Before that, if Slendy hadn't re-appeared, Achro could have just coasted to the end, switched his vote to a non-mafia member or just voted off his partner, looking amazing to the rest of us.

2) I look horrible. I will most likely be the next to be lynched. No one will ever trust me in this game again. And I will most likely not be voted as "all star" in this game.

3) Banks looks worse. He said he wouldn't lynch him (although he said he would rather lynch Ratchet over Cue if was just between them) and some might say "Well, that's because you knew he was Town!". It's not that this scenario = Banksy mafia but it looks bad.
Is the "he" here Ratchet flipping town?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:30 PM   #1434
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No. I think he's made several overly self-conscious statements.


Possible. That would implicate Achromatic with MSU. Still, there were other people to go after and the MSU wagon was the largest one for a /long/ time.


Ok, when we're done with this game, you're going through Vote Count Analysis bootcamp with me.
lol I mean you can't be serious about the Vote Count thing. Wtf fonti?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:31 PM   #1435
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fwiw i was voting banks because of the taylor swift thing
Worth that was an amazing joke.

dorian

What kind of world is it that EoD this dude is getting no hop on votes from anyone?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:33 PM   #1436
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I think you've said you think the nightkill was clearly SHK, and I feel much less strongly about that. Can you explain further why you thought cue a poor choice? I find cue a very unexpected and surprisingly good choice if the mafia weren't picking up strong enough reads to try and find the cop.



Disagree. I've already given one reason that makes sense to me, though Achro denied it, and there's really nothing further to pursue with that line of thought. There are others as well.
Unless mafia literally hates winning they would always try to kill someone they thought was the cop on n1, n2, nwhateverthe**** until the cop is dead or needs to stay alive to not out a cop cc. Like if you've read the mafia chats from any of the games so far the n1 talk is all "who is the cop?" and trying to figure it out.

Why is he a good choice for a night kill if they didn't think he was a cop AND he was a wagon at EoD?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:35 PM   #1437
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Is the "he" here Ratchet flipping town?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:39 PM   #1438
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1) Achro and Slendy look worse while Dorian looks better. Slendy cast the stone, Achro followed from Slendy. Achro could have easily been waiting for Slendy to come back on and look for ANY opportunity to switch over and Slendy gave it to him. Before that, if Slendy hadn't re-appeared, Achro could have just coasted to the end, switched his vote to a non-mafia member or just voted off his partner, looking amazing to the rest of us.
isn't this like the exact world that ratchet has been trying to push today
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:51 PM   #1439
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I'll even expound on that - if I'm wrong, and he flips Town, then a few things:

1) Achro and Slendy look worse while Dorian looks better. Slendy cast the stone, Achro followed from Slendy. Achro could have easily been waiting for Slendy to come back on and look for ANY opportunity to switch over and Slendy gave it to him. Before that, if Slendy hadn't re-appeared, Achro could have just coasted to the end, switched his vote to a non-mafia member or just voted off his partner, looking amazing to the rest of us.

2) I look horrible. I will most likely be the next to be lynched. No one will ever trust me in this game again. And I will most likely not be voted as "all star" in this game.

3) Banks looks worse. He said he wouldn't lynch him (although he said he would rather lynch Ratchet over Cue if was just between them) and some might say "Well, that's because you knew he was Town!". It's not that this scenario = Banksy mafia but it looks bad.
So this is talking about Ratchet being town.

1) I think dorian especially form you should look worse simply because a lot of EoD stuff happened and he was mainly glossed over. Do you think that dorian's wagon would be more apt to take off if he were town or a wolf? Was there 0 wolves up for vote on day 1?

2) I can see that you would potentially look worse but not necessarily that bad considering that you were not really a huge wagon at the time. I think that you don't get ruled out of things just for being wrong on someone day 1. I know that the game is not won in a day like everyone else. Do you think the scenario where he is town is likely?

3) I think this is silly because you're saying I as a wolf had two options of town to vote on EoD and instead started a CFD on a 3rd town for fun and to look scummier?
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:54 PM   #1440
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isn't this like the exact world that ratchet has been trying to push today
Correct and this is done under the assumption ratchet is town I think. I think the line makes some sense.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:04 PM   #1441
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i mean he hasn't really considered anything that ratchet has said today afaict but if ratchet flips town his first thought is to sheep the world that ratchet has been pushing

that's pretty weird
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:07 PM   #1442
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dunno if that's worded well

basically if he thinks that's the most likely scenario if ratchet flips town then i think he'd be considering the world where ratchet is town more, or at least humoring ratchet right

i don't think he's responded directly to a single actual point that ratchet has made/brought up today

unless he's just that sure that ratchet will flip mafia but whatever reason he has for thinking that i still haven't seen
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:09 PM   #1443
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everything he's talked about today has been about yesterday's eod or that weird 3x3 read thing

like i think he's actively avoiding me when i keep asking him to talk about actual content that was made today
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:09 PM   #1444
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isn't this like the exact world that ratchet has been trying to push today
He should be - he is defending himself.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:11 PM   #1445
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He should be - he is defending himself.
and it doesn't seem like you've paid any attention to it
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:12 PM   #1446
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until now when you've said you agree with his world if he's town

instead of like, figuring out if he's town or not
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:14 PM   #1447
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in other news

i'm looking at road's iso this game vs his game 3 iso and he feels a lot softer this game vs that game

and he was the seer for the first time? in that game so that doesn't make much sense

although his game 3 iso is missing like all of his day 1 posts so maybe those posts are different but yeah
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:14 PM   #1448
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So this is talking about Ratchet being town.

1) I think dorian especially form you should look worse simply because a lot of EoD stuff happened and he was mainly glossed over. Do you think that dorian's wagon would be more apt to take off if he were town or a wolf? Was there 0 wolves up for vote on day 1?

2) I can see that you would potentially look worse but not necessarily that bad considering that you were not really a huge wagon at the time. I think that you don't get ruled out of things just for being wrong on someone day 1. I know that the game is not won in a day like everyone else. Do you think the scenario where he is town is likely?

3) I think this is silly because you're saying I as a wolf had two options of town to vote on EoD and instead started a CFD on a 3rd town for fun and to look scummier?
I have been thinking about Dorian today (hence my initial questions of him earlier) - and I think part of the problem I had was getting past my Game 2 and Slendy. Honestly. Mea Culpa. If Ratchet and Bomb are town, and i know I am town, then Dorian DOES look really bad.

I think that I would have gotten a lot more attention for flipping to Ratchet from Slendy if flips town - I think noose worthy. My train was 5. It was one of the few moments that everyone agreed on something. LOL

I am not saying you WOULD be a wolf - I am saying that you might have more explaining to do. A case could be made. You would, hopefully, argue against it.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:18 PM   #1449
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So this is talking about Ratchet being town.

1) I think dorian especially form you should look worse simply because a lot of EoD stuff happened and he was mainly glossed over. Do you think that dorian's wagon would be more apt to take off if he were town or a wolf? Was there 0 wolves up for vote on day 1?
Ugh, I confused my post - I am going to further explain Dorian - I said Dorian looks better because Dorian has been wishy washy on Ratchet, sometimes saying he reads him as town (early game but how much can we put in that?) and sometimes as neutral/mafia (today). if Ratchet flips mafia, I say Dorian has been trying to avoid being conclusive. If he flips town, Dorian looks more town and just not knowing what to say about him. That;s my take.

In regards to the train on Dorian, yes, it makes Dorian look worse as you stated because we couldn't get traction and instead had two townies up for the noose.

Does that mean he cancels himself out? LOL
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:19 PM   #1450
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Unless mafia literally hates winning they would always try to kill someone they thought was the cop on n1, n2, nwhateverthe**** until the cop is dead or needs to stay alive to not out a cop cc. Like if you've read the mafia chats from any of the games so far the n1 talk is all "who is the cop?" and trying to figure it out.

Why is he a good choice for a night kill if they didn't think he was a cop AND he was a wagon at EoD?
I haven't read any of the mafia chats from here, and have no experience with this basic a setup. Of course the mafia wants to find the cop on night 1. But if they can't come to a consensus or don't have any strong ideas, then I feel like all other sorts of option become more viable. I think one of the games I read, most people thought the N1 nightkill was just for being too strong a player, not SHK.

I've already said cue was a good choice because, despite the wagon at the end of the day, I think he was going to be increasingly harder to actually mislynch. I also think that cue left hardly any concrete info or opinions to go over, giving little info from his kill. I've also seen at least one person claim cue was their cop scan last night. I can see cue being a high choice for the N1 scan as someone who was tough for some to read and could have lived fairly long. If you don't have a strong guess for cop, anticipating their scan target isn't bad play either.
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