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Old 06-17-2015, 03:19 PM   #1226
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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like this is my problem with ratchet

i think he would give this exact same defense as town or as scum

so i don't really have any idea what to do with it

is problem
I think looking at the way the votes flowed EoD is good. If ratchet is a wolf then I think the votes were dorian/me/you/msu/cue in that order? I need to relook at EoD this makes msu look suspect. I kinda liked him with his 3 + 3 thing. If ratchet is town the votes mean a bit less and dorian I think looks the worst out of everyone because as scum wasn't gaining traction.

I need to read the multi quotes.

Fonti probably doesn't make that kill in the night I don't think but her pushing me is insane since I am aware of the lack of a medic in the game and if I was scum could easy move my vote and pressure to cue whom would then be forced to claim cop in which case I as a wolf would KNOW he was cop and not be guessing which is far favorable. Especially since I would be knowingly leading a misslynch onto smartbomb and am therefore a prime check target in the night.

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Old 06-17-2015, 03:20 PM   #1227
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I've seen scum do everything under the sun more or less, it's about likelyhoods though. Odds. Percentages. I like to play the odds.
Lets talk for a bit. Where is your head at? What do you think of slendy after the push?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:21 PM   #1228
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Banks, assume with me for a moment that I'm right about Scum!- and Town!Ratchet both 'catching up' the same way, regardless of how silent the Thread is, and exiting it in a similar fashion.

With that sequence of posts taken out of the equation, what is Ratchet and why?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:24 PM   #1229
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I thought Slendy's content as day closed was good. It felt genuine. I really don't think a scum Slendy murders cue only to be the one to point out that cue could have town cleared him. That's what you typically have buddies for to do for you as scum. Only thing that gives me pause is it seemed like he was buddying me a little bit, then he followed up with what I felt was a good question to me that felt like game solving.

As for things unrelated to Slendy, I don't have really any big scum reads at present. Typical for,, but disappointing. Feeling a bit tingled about Riki with his latest series of posts. The whole null stance on Ratchet seems... iffy to me.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:26 PM   #1230
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I think looking at the way the votes flowed EoD is good. If ratchet is a wolf then I think the votes were dorian/me/you/msu/cue in that order? I need to relook at EoD this makes msu look suspect. I kinda liked him with his 3 + 3 thing. If ratchet is town the votes mean a bit less and dorian I think looks the worst out of everyone because as scum wasn't gaining traction.
it was ratchet not msu
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:27 PM   #1231
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Banks, assume with me for a moment that I'm right about Scum!- and Town!Ratchet both 'catching up' the same way, regardless of how silent the Thread is, and exiting it in a similar fashion.

With that sequence of posts taken out of the equation, what is Ratchet and why?
I think that his scum equity increases a great deal if they catchup in similar fashions. I tend to value my town reads over my scum reads on day 1 and was not willing ot budge on them. Like cue I was essentially yelling at fonti to stop voting him. I stopped the push on fonti and msu as well once I had them as town.

I want to read this exchange going on between y'all as well as her eod more slowly now. I will say that one of the points she presented that you and achro are likely scum buddies I think is insanely bad. I would read achro scum you town. If you're scum achro most likely town unless upon a reread his push felt like capps day 1 but I don't think it did off memory.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:29 PM   #1232
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it was ratchet not msu
o yeah self pres interesting. I need to reread EoD at work. I'm about to have to leave for it after this tavern brawl.

What do you think of ratchet now after EoD?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:29 PM   #1233
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The whole null stance on Ratchet seems... iffy to me.
like i'm not saying i'm not going to read him i'm just probably going to have to figure out a different way to read him

do you disagree with what i said?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:31 PM   #1234
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Not the what, just the how. Something just felt a little off, nothing concrete but it tickled me as I said.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:35 PM   #1235
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Not the what, just the how. Something just felt a little off, nothing concrete but it tickled me as I said.
when you get a chance could you do like a full list of reads?
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:37 PM   #1236
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I'm headed to work ideally it wont be awful so I can post.

Road when you're around lets talk.

Same with fonti.

Also I'll say this do your own reread of the night 1 kill and decide who you think is SHC from it don't just take the words of people posting 3 of the 11 of us are wolves.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:38 PM   #1237
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o yeah self pres interesting. I need to reread EoD at work. I'm about to have to leave for it after this tavern brawl.

What do you think of ratchet now after EoD?
i haven't reread eod either but i think it looks slightly good for him

i don't really get his reasoning for not wanting to vote cue over slendy even when cue was a bigger wagon than slendy and he apparently has a bigger scumread on cue but i think that looks good for him, like he legit believes that lynching cue on d1 is a bad idea because we wouldn't get any information

especially since cue was town
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:38 PM   #1238
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i kind of want to know if it's possible for him to show emotion in any role
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:39 PM   #1239
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when you get a chance could you do like a full list of reads?
I don't really 'do' lists with sliding scales this early in the game.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:40 PM   #1240
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I think that his scum equity increases a great deal if they catchup in similar fashions. I tend to value my town reads over my scum reads on day 1 and was not willing ot budge on them. Like cue I was essentially yelling at fonti to stop voting him. I stopped the push on fonti and msu as well once I had them as town.

I want to read this exchange going on between y'all as well as her eod more slowly now. I will say that one of the points she presented that you and achro are likely scum buddies I think is insanely bad. I would read achro scum you town. If you're scum achro most likely town unless upon a reread his push felt like capps day 1 but I don't think it did off memory.
It is quite baffling, and maybe even a Towntell.

Regardless of Ratchet, MSU probably should still be considered a Person of Interest.

Achro probably should be added to the PoIs, but what bugs me is what does Mafia!Achro say about all the other Wagons? They were all Town and he just FELT like last-minute risking it? There was a Buddy there and deflection was in order, once he correctly estimated that the Slendy-traction would disappear? Probably the latter, but even that still seems unlikely.

Or maybe Ratchet really just is Mafia and we're overthinking.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:42 PM   #1241
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

also there was one point at eod when i thought the thread was kind of frozen for an eod which would also probably be good for him since i think he was the top wagon at the time

although when i looked back at timestamps afterwards, the thread was less inactive than i thought it was in the moment
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:44 PM   #1242
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It is quite baffling, and maybe even a Towntell.

Regardless of Ratchet, MSU probably should still be considered a Person of Interest.

Achro probably should be added to the PoIs, but what bugs me is what does Mafia!Achro say about all the other Wagons? They were all Town and he just FELT like last-minute risking it? There was a Buddy there and deflection was in order, once he correctly estimated that the Slendy-traction would disappear? Probably the latter, but even that still seems unlikely.

Or maybe Ratchet really just is Mafia and we're overthinking.
I am quite interesting, I assure you.

Although Dorian didn't do a 3 X 3 - he did a mix up and I am not really happy about it.

@Dorian - can you do a 3 X 3 please - In one post, list 3 of your SOLID Town (Like gun to your head, you are making the call now) and list 3 of your scum. THEN tell me which one you kill and which one you send to a tropical destination with mai tais.

My own coming up!
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:45 PM   #1243
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Achromatic: He comes into the thread, aggressively scumhunts, and gets a ton of townreads very quickly, including from me. Resetting based on when came back to push Slendy...I have to say, I agree with many of Ratchet's points regarding who he chose to push, how easy it is to say that none of it was based on his afk-ness, and how easily he was convinced to switch to Rachet. I was considering making them before I was a little surprised to see Ratchet make them. Several of those things are only really scummy if Slendy is mafia, though, and I don't think that's the case.

Achro was also pretty vocal about cue's innocence, much like Banks. I don't think Achro could have gotten away with trying to mislynch cue later. In addition, cue's weird buddying of him puts him in a pretty awkward place if he's mafia. It could have gone all sorts of directions later in the game depending on however cue planned to play it, but the easiest way for him to not have to deal with it is to kill cue. Aggressive town play is good, but much like Banks, little points are slowly starting to add up. Pretty close to null for now.

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Dorian why do you think that me and riki were the only two people pushing on you and couldn't get anyone else's votes EoD?

In your reads you have him listed as town and myself as town. What was scum doing?
Um, because that's what happened. You and Riki were the only ones voting me going into end of day (aside from Slendy's very early vote that he moved when he came back). Multiple times you and Riki made posts seeing if anyone would join you, and no one did. I mean, neither of you went all out crusading for me cause you had other people you were ok lynching too, and maybe you could have gotten others to vote for me if you'd really wanted, but that's all kind of irrelevant to how the actual end of day played out, isn't it?

Two of the people I suspect most right now (Doc and road) were not around for end of day and sitting with their votes locked on cue.

Ratchet reevaluation to come after I have a little work to deal with for an hour or so.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:47 PM   #1244
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I am quite interesting, I assure you.

Although Dorian didn't do a 3 X 3 - he did a mix up and I am not really happy about it.

@Dorian - can you do a 3 X 3 please - In one post, list 3 of your SOLID Town (Like gun to your head, you are making the call now) and list 3 of your scum. THEN tell me which one you kill and which one you send to a tropical destination with mai tais.

My own coming up!
That was coming in the summary at the end. Sorry - I'm deliberate and not the speediest. I've posted them all so far but Ratchet.

Save: bhuber, Slendy, Riki
Shoot: Doc, road, Ratchet

I had a tough time picking a third, and I'm most hesitant about Ratchet. I'll explain more after I deal with work.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:48 PM   #1245
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That was coming in the summary at the end. Sorry - I'm deliberate and not the speediest. I've posted them all so far but Ratchet.

Save: bhuber, Slendy, Riki
Shoot: Doc, road, Ratchet

I had a tough time picking a third, and I'm most hesitant about Ratchet. I'll explain more after I deal with work.
when did bhuber become your top town? if you explained it before i think i missed it
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:50 PM   #1246
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also if i'm seer i peeked cue
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:56 PM   #1247
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

One last quick thought on Achromatic. In the scenario where he's mafia, he gets townread by everyone to the point where he even says it makes him uncomfortable. At some point, he becomes suspicious for not being nightkilled. The way to deal with that is to do what he did - show up, lead a lynch on someone who's been afk, then switch from voting them to voting with them. Nothing super-scummy, but enough to get some people to lower their reads. I can totally see him taking those actions from either affiliation.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:00 PM   #1248
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Every action I took at end of yesterday was earnest pursuit of scum. While I joke about being too town read I don't play the game for mere survival purposes.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:01 PM   #1249
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1 RatchetOPB Slendy (28)
8 not voting Achromatic (20), bhuber2010 (0), dorian78 (11), fontisian (6), MSU (9), Riki (18), road (12), TehBankertin (9)
2 Error DocEspana (2), RatchetOPB (10)
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:14 PM   #1250
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Come on guys not a fun Vote Tally at all.
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