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Old 06-16-2015, 05:36 PM   #876
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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Good townie guy comes in and defends two players that are getting heat towards EoD then decides to swap the vote to afk guy. Yeah probably nothing. I mean if you're right you're right and I will prepare a giant plate of crow for myself but it sketches me out despite slendy being a scum read of my own.
See this is the first post I read from you Banker and thought to myself "not genuine." Like let's break this down. I defended two people who you are saying shouldn't be lynched last I checked, I then attack someone based not on their activity level (not ever) but on the content of their posts, and you for some reason are popping up in here and being like "I don't know, something is wrong about this" I mean what? I don't understand how you could be thinking this. It seems like... you just kind of want to post something about it. You claim to be scum reading Slendy but you don't do ANYTHING probative in combination to my own read. You don't ask me questions. You don't further discussion. You just ... fear monger how I do things. If you were interested in answers, you'd ask questions.

Worst part of the game for you by far, as far as I am concerned.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:36 PM   #877
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Why are you forcing yourself to defend me? It's little things like, "only so much I'm willing to consider as reasonable play" when you already have a scum read on me, even if it's supposedly only slight.

Do. Not. Trust.
I'm not actually defending you, I'm pointing out your reasoning. Whether I actually agree or not there is a different matter. I also try to be as objective as possible, so it will not be anything of a commodity to see me even coming up with some counter arguments against my own arguments. That's just how I am.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:37 PM   #878
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Recklessness is NOT the domain of scum! Scum are, if anything, too cautious. To suggest a reckless action is done by scum is POSSIBLE but certainly not the most likely recourse. It may not be a correct, textbook play but we are not here to judge skill, we are here to find scum.
What.

The explanation you are giving is one of a reckless town who doesn't particularly care about toDay's lynch target. I think my explanation, of an extremely confident scum avoiding responsibility and trying to make his play too weird to assess, is more likely.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:39 PM   #879
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The problem with your scenario, font, is what you are saying is obvious. He does not void any responsibility by doing what he is doing, and no one would think he is. I don't see how a member of scum goes 'hehe, I am clever let me not take the fall by... openly giving my vote to someone!" like really? That's not how mafia works. Your vote is always your own, regardless of circumstances you make. You CAN'T avoid responsibility for your vote.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:42 PM   #880
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The problem with your scenario, font, is what you are saying is obvious. He does not void any responsibility by doing what he is doing, and no one would think he is. I don't see how a member of scum goes 'hehe, I am clever let me not take the fall by... openly giving my vote to someone!" like really? That's not how mafia works. Your vote is always your own, regardless of circumstances you make. You CAN'T avoid responsibility for your vote.
No? You don't think "I was reaction testing, here's what I got out of it:" is a good way to redirect after a mislynch?

Honestly, I don't really care about responsibility in a game, but Cue has indicated that he does.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:45 PM   #881
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Sure, someone can say that, but in a good game other players will press him on that and hopefully derive the truth. At the end of the day we have to trust in our abilities and go from there. I trust myself when I town read people like I am town reading cue, he hasn't given me any reason to doubt that yet.

What do you think of Banker's discussion of my methods in regards to Slendy despite a scum read on Slendy?
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:49 PM   #882
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

I'm fine with it, mainly because I have similar concerns. Maybe you could explain the bhuber read in a more convincing way?
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:50 PM   #883
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**** data....

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Its basically takes absolutely 0 of what I have posted/MSU has posted and justifies a vote based on where three towns have their vote - its a 0 accountability vote (as we like to call them on 2+2).
Can you explain this for me please? Honestly - what is a 0 accountability vote?

(Am I really the only one who has no idea what y'all are talking about?)
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:52 PM   #884
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Bhuber was a pretty simple matter of I felt he was being genuine as he was reading the game discussing his reads and how he got them.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:53 PM   #885
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There's this idea that if you lead a wrong lynch or vote wrong, you'll get blamed for it and possibly lynched. Consequently, scum try to avoid this blame by not committing to a vote. I think it's bull****, at least on this level.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:53 PM   #886
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Bhuber was a pretty simple matter of I felt he was being genuine as he was reading the game discussing his reads and how he got them.
That doesn't really help me.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:56 PM   #887
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Sadly not all instances of town clearing are going to involve evidence that two people look upon and view it the same way, or we wouldn't be playing mafia.

Still think you're town though.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:56 PM   #888
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There's this idea that if you lead a wrong lynch or vote wrong, you'll get blamed for it and possibly lynched. Consequently, scum try to avoid this blame by not committing to a vote. I think it's bull****, at least on this level.
On the flipside, I consider pointing fingers after a lynch, especially if one joined that very lynch, to be one of the highest scumtells around.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:59 PM   #889
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Work is being a pain in the ass housekeeping/maintenance overbooked so I will be trying to fix other people's ****ups for a bit. This is not ideal.

Achromatic I realize I'm calling you weird and scummy and **** but whatever what do you think of dorian?

Doc getting no conversation is interesting as well.

If anyone wants to lynch someone on my list I would need to be severally convinced. I'm going to try to get everything done in the next 30 minutes so I can be back to really focus for the last hour.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:00 PM   #890
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

I've added MSU to the off the lynch list circle.

Please remove all votes.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:00 PM   #891
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remove vote

I am between Slendy and Smartbomb to be honest.

Thank you Bhuber for coming on and talking it out with us! You and I have similar schedule problems I feel. Except you are doing good work and I am doing data processing and spreadsheet analysis.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:01 PM   #892
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Exclamation Vote Count

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3 MSU bhuber2010 (36), SmartBomb (37), RatchetOPB (56)
2 dorian78 Slendy (19), TehBankertin (185)
2 SmartBomb dorian78 (30), Riki (131)
2 Slendy cue5c (118), Achromatic (69)
1 cue5c DocEspana (25)
1 bhuber2010 fontisian (75)
1 not voting road (53)
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:02 PM   #893
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****. Damn data...

(this keeps pulling me in)

How about this - I WILL be on in 30 or so to explain why Slendy and Smartbomb are on my radar. I will be on EOD because I saw what it almost did in the last game I played in (tricksy Alpha....almost had it but he didn't)/
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:02 PM   #894
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msu is still the top wagon?
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:03 PM   #895
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i could vote any of dorian/smartbomb/slendy i think

the first two i like a decent bit more than the third
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:05 PM   #896
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Work is being a pain in the ass housekeeping/maintenance overbooked so I will be trying to fix other people's ****ups for a bit. This is not ideal.

Achromatic I realize I'm calling you weird and scummy and **** but whatever what do you think of dorian?

Doc getting no conversation is interesting as well.

If anyone wants to lynch someone on my list I would need to be severally convinced. I'm going to try to get everything done in the next 30 minutes so I can be back to really focus for the last hour.
I haven't had him on my radar until his big post on smartbomb, which I liked a lot. It came off convicted. I thought it was quite a townie post.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:05 PM   #897
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could also vote doc
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:06 PM   #898
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I'm considering switching to Slendy. The sole reason for that being that I think he makes a good day 1 lynch, due to his activity and his play. I want to see MSU's reasoning before committing there though.
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:10 PM   #899
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MSU: bhuber2010 (16), RatchetOPB (49), Riki (101), SmartBomb (37), TehBankertin (161)

Jeez, how did I not notice this earlier? We've got three strong town (Banks, Riki, Smartbomb) and a lean town (RatchetOPB) on one lynch. I'm going to pick between bhuber and MSU.
i think this kind of analysis is something that works like a lot better for video mafia than it does for forum mafia because the way voting on forum mafia and the way wagons happen is pretty different
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:12 PM   #900
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I was isolating posts looking for these small things and I kept finding them until I got to Slendy, where I didn't find any real genuine game solving from him. He said stuff, did things, but I couldn't really feel his town presence. So I think we should kill him and see how he bleeds.
fwiw this is sounds something like what my impression of slendy's scum play was when i played with scum!slendy once a few months ago

it was like, asking questions for the sake of asking them, something else tone related that i can't remember atm
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