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Old 06-15-2015, 11:23 PM   #526
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Yes Banks I was but it was definitely less obvious because I had roughly 10 hours of empty time to play around with so you aren't seeing huge lag between my posts and other people's posts like you are in this game.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:24 PM   #527
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what are your reasons for thinking he's town?

like are you just giving him the benefit of the doubt because he played in the same game as you or wut
It's the vibe he is giving with the "everyone thinks I am town...oh stop!" - if I was mafia and everyone was giving me a town vibe, I wouldn't bring it up, I would shut my mouth and let is slide.

He also admitted that he completely misjudged me in our game so he won a few points for that.

But seriously, it was that series of posts that made me think he is town. He is playing as I played in the last game - aka, "Oh wow...everyone is town reading me....that makes me a target for the mafia....damn damn damn!"

He could be fooling me bc we are only 15 or so hours into the game but That is my feeling right now.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:25 PM   #528
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MSU are you posting from a computer or mobile device?
I was on a mobile device but it was taking too long so I brought out my laptop.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:27 PM   #529
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I think I'm getting stood up Time to put on bridget Jones and eat ice cream and have a good cry.

Oh shush, I'm catching up.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:28 PM   #530
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Do you think defaulting to initially town reads is generally a good idea?
Not a default - see my answer to Riki.

But as I said in my last game, this is a game of odds. There are more town than scum. I generally like to organize people by town first - not scum. Because it's easy to peg everyone first as shady and shifty. But then I realize...of course we are all shady and shifty. We are championship mafia players.

So I have to force myself to think about the good in people.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:29 PM   #531
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@Fonti why did you feel like writing "i like you, but i have to vote you"? Maybe it is just me, but somethign triggering me in this. idk.
Two reasons.

1.Because I like him, but I have to vote him.
2.Because I like him enough that I'm worried everyone else feels the same and won't help me lynch him (and we do have to lynch him).
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:32 PM   #532
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MSU can you expand on the DocEspanda read? Is there a strong reason you find him town other than the one post about all the villagers claiming town? Like I get a few people are on his case because of it but saying they don't have any real basis doesn't mean Doc is town himself
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:33 PM   #533
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I've heard that the third person is scum thing before is that really a thing? I need to look at the games to see if it lined up seems like a mega silly and easily manipulated read. Possibly more prevalent in games with majority lynch I imagine.
there was a guy in game 4 who was pretty obsessed about someone voting and putting another guy at L-1

and also that lordjvk guy on this forum who makes a pretty big deal about being the second vote on a wagon

i've seen some people think weird things
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:34 PM   #534
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******IN THE WHOLE SERIES THIS YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN 0 DAY 1 SCUM LYNCHES. I PLAN TO CHANGE THIS TREND*********

I require support and help from others. I know some people play the "well day 1 is so much light on reads and blah blah blah." This can be fixed by projecting town. Make it hard for scum to blend in with town. Make them fall out of the game make them squirm to fit in and find bad cases on town. No one here should be the day 1 misslynch. 3 people here should be up for the day 1 wolf lynch. Don't be a town that gets shoved out of the game early. Be on and interact.

We have 8 wildcards all of which rolled town last game (I think) at LEAST 5 of those rolled town again thats a huge basis to build off. To the "new" players who are playing their first game know that there is at least 5 strong town floating around. This game should be fairly easy.

Please also note if you are going to be around at EoD or not. Scum sometimes like to be absent or just hang out EoD if things are going their way and only hop in if they need to. So being open and honest about your availability is paramount. I will be here for every EoD I will be working but I work in front of a computer so I will rarely have an issue come up that I can't be at a computer for 30 minutes or more.

THIS IS OUR TOWN SCUM!
Banks is town. Yay.

Banks: Get better reads.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:38 PM   #535
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TehBankertin is my ideal lynch today. Would give the most information so far.
Also this is still really bad. "Let's have an information lynch on the guy driving discussion. Because real scumreads are for pussies."

It gets worse now that Banks is clearly town.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:41 PM   #536
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Well, yeah. The fact that end of day is so far away is why I haven't voted either of you for it yet, despite those 2 votes being the biggest things to jump out at me as scummy. The 50% longer day is also brutal for me in a vanilla game, because, while other things matter, the thing that matters the most to me on day one is where people's votes are when it's crunch time, and until it's crunch time, I feel like I'm just waiting for the important stuff to happen so I can get better reads from it.

Or you, yes. I think your vote is quite a bit sketchier than Cue's, but that's likely colored by the fact that you've grilled me much harder than anyone else so far. If the lynch were happening right now, would you leave your vote on MSU?

If I were to pick Cue, it would be because I'm not sure I'll ever have an easy time sorting out a read on him and his lynch would give me a decent amount of information.
i'm kind of curious, why is being the third vote on a wagon such a big deal on your site? like is it actually that big of a deal that that would be the biggest reason for you to lynch someone at this point in the game, and not something else like content related

also, at the bolded, i thought you thought i was town for doing that?

i'd probably be ok with voting like any of msu/doc/cue if the day ended now

i have kind of gone back a bit on my read of you, i don't think anyone really agrees with me so i might have just been making too much out of something small
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:42 PM   #537
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there was a guy in game 4 who was pretty obsessed about someone voting and putting another guy at L-1

and also that lordjvk guy on this forum who makes a pretty big deal about being the second vote on a wagon

i've seen some people think weird things
I recall that guy from L-1 when it wasn't L-1 or misslynch it was an odd convo I just find it hard to believe thats not a read.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:42 PM   #538
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laziness is kinda ****ty you should know that your last game you only had 1 day to be town so throwing around the laziness card on day 1 is kinda bull****. Shape up sir.
getting killed night 1 sucked though
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:43 PM   #539
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EBWOP: Hard to believe that is a read.

Damnit 25 second restriction.

Also Fonti Going to have to hit you up when I get home I'm getting off work in 11 minutes and I don't want to cut it short. I have some ideas to bump off you.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:44 PM   #540
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Banks is town. Yay.

Banks: Get better reads.
I was town earlier so no big deal. I like my reads they're nice and cozy.

I think you're cue read is as ugly as jan's face.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:46 PM   #541
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Not a default - see my answer to Riki.

But as I said in my last game, this is a game of odds. There are more town than scum. I generally like to organize people by town first - not scum. Because it's easy to peg everyone first as shady and shifty. But then I realize...of course we are all shady and shifty. We are championship mafia players.

So I have to force myself to think about the good in people.
Your reads are soft as ***. There are people actively trying to kill the village and you're being soft as hell. I need to read your filter but I'm unimpressed. Your reads list looks like a laundry lists of maybe and idk and too soon to tell.

In my reads was I really as confident as I appeared on all of them *** no. Do I still put them out there like I am? *** yes.

You have been given a gun and have 1 minute to shoot a wolf or you die and town loses. Who do you choose and why? Pretend your top town reads gave you the gun and is confirmed.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:46 PM   #542
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Riki - you were the third vote - did you think I wouldn't come back with another 20+ hours? I found it....an odd vote. Two votes, one from my initial accuser and one from Banks with an interesting read and then one from you saying "It's been 3-4 hours" I did read all the posts but did I (this is honest and not sarcasm) miss where you gave your impression of me? Or was this you just using my own timing against me? You all move at breakneck speeds, something I actually thought about before joining the wildcards - it is muy frustrating.
i didn't really feel like leaving my vote on banks anymore

i decided to move it to you to give you more incentive to come back to the thread faster or something

i think i did make a post about you earlier, it was about how you made a read that felt like you were caught up in the thread even though you weren't actively posting which was kind of weird

but my vote was just like a pressure vote, i don't really make anything of wagons or 3rd votes or w/e halfway through the day
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:46 PM   #543
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I was town earlier so no big deal. I like my reads they're nice and cozy.

I think you're cue read is as ugly as jan's face.
I am the only one who gets to insult Jan's face.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:48 PM   #544
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Also this is still really bad. "Let's have an information lynch on the guy driving discussion. Because real scumreads are for pussies."

It gets worse now that Banks is clearly town.
I kinda thought he was voting me to see if people would push on me with him thinking it might be an easy trail for scum to take. I'm so far pretty sure hes not a wolf but the fact he thinks I'll give a lot of info is silly unless he thinks I'm a wolf which doesn't seem to be the case so its weird either way. I'd say this is your best point against him.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:49 PM   #545
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which reads did you disagree with?
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:50 PM   #546
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Out to lunch.

Some things you might wanna know:

cue5c I slightly like, like a centimetre away from null due to gut read. IDK why everyone's reading him scum

I still haven't got a read on fontisan after 35 posts and that's concerning. Like, any sort of read. Town or scum.

I do like dorian in case it wasn't obvious for the record

I still don't like MSU, the reads on Achro and Doc don't actually state why they're town, bhuber's a very simple read, what happened to Riki...? Just the third vote thing that flipped him from one of your townreads to scumreads? An easy standby? Like I've heard of this and I know people believe in it but it's such a weak reason for someone who you were calling town before

Doc irritates me because I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to catch him this game due to timezones and he hasn't said anything of substance yet.

road I've made my points and is like cue except a centimetre on the other side, pending reread of third game

MSU now that he's back and I still don't like him
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:50 PM   #547
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other than his cue read
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:50 PM   #548
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Why does a town sounding post=town to you? Unless Villalist is like.... villain and list together. In which case I'd probably agree. Then again, I don't really understand Dorian's play or thoughts on good play. I tend to make my mafia play incredibly different from my town play so that it's obvious and when I flip my reads are useless. And then Dorian mentioned someone viewed him as town so the most logical response would be to view that person as town, too? This early? I find people on completely different wavelengths than me tend to be town, especially early on when mafia can slip left and right with no one picking it up until late game.

So: road
This is the post on road that I like that cue made earlier. I agreed with it. I can't remember who asked tbh.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:52 PM   #549
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Your reads are soft as ***. There are people actively trying to kill the village and you're being soft as hell. I need to read your filter but I'm unimpressed. Your reads list looks like a laundry lists of maybe and idk and too soon to tell.

In my reads was I really as confident as I appeared on all of them *** no. Do I still put them out there like I am? *** yes.

You have been given a gun and have 1 minute to shoot a wolf or you die and town loses. Who do you choose and why? Pretend your top town reads gave you the gun and is confirmed.
You and I have different playstyles. But thank you for pointing it out. I am not here to impress you, truly.

You put all your stuff out there in an effort to gain trust. You play fast and loose.

I am more calm and calculated with 20+ hours left.

But I kill Riki. I didn't like his vote, and I didn't like his explanation he just gave above for it. What are you pressuring me for? we have 20+ hours.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:53 PM   #550
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I kinda thought he was voting me to see if people would push on me with him thinking it might be an easy trail for scum to take. I'm so far pretty sure hes not a wolf but the fact he thinks I'll give a lot of info is silly unless he thinks I'm a wolf which doesn't seem to be the case so its weird either way. I'd say this is your best point against him.
i think he said he was voting you so people would take note of it after he died

like i remember him literally saying that he didn't think the vote would go anywhere
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