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Old 06-15-2015, 08:29 PM   #451
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Figured I'd start out by voting a wolf.

Not sure what everyone else is doing.
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Also, first.
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Lies. I am caught up on all the happenings in this thread. Not one of which includes the mentioning of "msu" and "scum" in the same sentence.

*here I will make the probably pointless but nonetheless necessary plea that we refer to everyone as villagers and wolves (as opposed to town and mafia) for the sake of my own sanity.
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Cause I'm 'Merican and we're pretty used to bucking standards. Basically I learned to play on a site where those terms were used...and then I came to a site where those terms were used...and then we have this game where those terms aren't used...

You see my predicament?
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The avatar is of little importance to me (in fact I cannot remember why I selected that particular one in the first place).

Mostly I am just too lazy to change it and have probably had it for a number of years.
Hmm. This looks very confident to me. Like, I dont give a **** what you think, I found a wolf and voted him, without caring to explain and i want ppl to use the terms I'm used to use. Quite aggressive opening without actually being aggressive. I'm not exactly sure what i think of this. Do anyone else have any thoughts about it?
Also he is not my peek.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:30 PM   #452
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I'm beginning to think road may be scum purely on those last two posts and that I haven't seen anything else from him that pings town either.

But this is your standard play, isn't it, road? I may need to reread some of the games when you're all asleep. I think I can distinguish standard play from those last two posts though.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:31 PM   #453
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Would like to second Banks' question about MSU's usual style of play

Also make that three
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:35 PM   #454
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That's unfortunate.

You're not doing anything. You fluff, and post jokes, and coast off of people liking you on a personal level. I get it, and if you hadn't made that scumtell, I probably would have never voted you toDay, but come on man.

The DosEspana thing is the only bit of logic you've actually given, and instead of actually following up on it, you stated trying to flatter Achro. I'm not even sure if your road vote is real or a joke. Even when you expressed suspicion of me and I gave you a chance you a chance to substantiate it, you did nothing.

I find that good players will drop hints as the best ways to correctly scumread them. You've done so here:
You believe that avoiding attention the main fights and not taking the blame for town lynches is a good way to play mafia. This is also exactly what you're doing.

Sorry Cue. I like you, but I'm going to lynch you.

Bhuber: Have you considered explain /why/ you think MSU is a "wolf."
Okay, I like these points, and think they are reasonable and villagery.

I dislike this line. It is like some kind of attempt to bond when still stating suspicion.

Overall I feel like the posts is written quite aggro and not in a way i remembered fonti from game 1. (long time since i read the game though). Also fonti was cop there right?

@Fonti why did you feel like writing "i like you, but i have to vote you"? Maybe it is just me, but somethign triggering me in this. idk.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:39 PM   #455
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Whilst sticking to first impressions and never letting go is probably not the most +EV line to take, I thought it worth mentioning (mostly for self-reflection later) that based off the first 100 posts I'd surmise the following:

Banks - town
slendy - town

fontisian - mafia
Dude, hope you will elaborate on your reads later on. Also the msu one
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:41 PM   #456
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Would like to second Banks' question about MSU's usual style of play

Also make that three
Do you scum read him? His filter is only about 100 posts long in the game 2 I think. What makes him scummy or worth noting in your eyes?
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Dude, hope you will elaborate on your reads later on. Also the msu one
no one spoil it for road!
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:41 PM   #458
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Fontisians push on slendy is so wolfy I almost want to gouge my eyes out.

Come on peeps.
which push?

Dont recall it
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:45 PM   #459
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Posted from a freakin mac

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2 DocEspana Achromatic (38), RatchetOPB (35)
2 MSU bhuber2010 (16), TehBankertin (113)
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1 dorian78 Slendy (19)
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:49 PM   #460
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I suppose I'll actually explain my two mafia reads quickly for fear that time constraints will catch up to me here shortly:

MSU

He has so few posts that I'll quote them here for the sake of ISO'ing him quickly.



I have no prior meta/history with any of you so this is largely based on prior experience and not based on any past data on MSU. Regardless, his entry here screams of being "present" - not that this is necessarily alignment indicative (a villager too would desire this) - they're super level 0 based reads that have no real bearing on the game and are really just "fluff" under the guise of content/appearing to be following the game in some meaningful manner.





Whilst a lot of my "case" is tone/experience based (meaning there is very little circumstantial/objective evidence (cause lol at having that after 3 posts), MSU's re-entry a number of hours later is based on reads that arent really going to ruffle many feathers (i.e. someone who puts in just enough work to kind of stay under the radar/doesnt butt too may heads with people, which in turn, would raise awareness about his own contributions to the thread).

He's kind of an easy guy to pick on early cause he hasnt really been able to contribute much but statistically speaking wolves are, by nature, more reserved (barring a few spammy ass wolves) so he's probably a good person to prod tonight while I am slaving away at work.

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I actually think my case on fontisian is more objective in nature (based on the first two pages) - its become apparent I wont be able to catch up fully because I am a slow ass reader but I'll post my feels on him quickly as well.
Yay - you knew what I would ask.
I disagree with your MSU read. I think it is purely neutral so early in the game. I also want to show im present and participating if I'm a villager. I assume this is general for most people.
Also him posting a post 2 hours later than expected ( i understand it as he wrote it but forgot to click "submit reply" is more villagery than scum in my mind. Although I was tricked of something similar last game -_-

But bubher> Would you consider being neutral-ish a scum tell or more like a certain style? I know that I'm usually very uncertain of my reads early on, and therefore tend to talk in "slightly wolf/small villapoints/probably neutral" terms. From my experience ppls style are more important in reading this than their allignment
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:50 PM   #461
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******IN THE WHOLE SERIES THIS YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN 0 DAY 1 SCUM LYNCHES. I PLAN TO CHANGE THIS TREND*********

I require support and help from others. I know some people play the "well day 1 is so much light on reads and blah blah blah." This can be fixed by projecting town. Make it hard for scum to blend in with town. Make them fall out of the game make them squirm to fit in and find bad cases on town. No one here should be the day 1 misslynch. 3 people here should be up for the day 1 wolf lynch. Don't be a town that gets shoved out of the game early. Be on and interact.

We have 8 wildcards all of which rolled town last game (I think) at LEAST 5 of those rolled town again thats a huge basis to build off. To the "new" players who are playing their first game know that there is at least 5 strong town floating around. This game should be fairly easy.

Please also note if you are going to be around at EoD or not. Scum sometimes like to be absent or just hang out EoD if things are going their way and only hop in if they need to. So being open and honest about your availability is paramount. I will be here for every EoD I will be working but I work in front of a computer so I will rarely have an issue come up that I can't be at a computer for 30 minutes or more.

THIS IS OUR TOWN SCUM!
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:53 PM   #462
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1 cue5c fontisian (33)
1 dorian78 Slendy (19)
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3 not voting dorian78 (12), MSU (5), road (33)
I'm winning! I didn't realize dorian had voted on me.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:53 PM   #463
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Loads of times on video mafia with my favorite being where I made everyone but 2 people mafia in the same chat and the mafia weren't allowed to vote on the town and the win condition for mafia was to make the two town vote on each other. The mafia had to kill each other at night. Was more for my amusement, I don't even remember who won.
I like you. You are a nice guy, and that could probably be the reason. But why did you answer this question? You stated that there were a lot of posts and you needed to catch up but still finds time to take up this question and write an answer. Meh. Just an observation, no villa/wolfpoints though - for now!
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Oh wait doc and dorian are two different people. nvm I'm dumb.
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Do you scum read him? His filter is only about 100 posts long in the game 2 I think. What makes him scummy or worth noting in your eyes?
Yeah.

First post I had issue with is road reading Acromatic reading cue. For the same reasons that road disliked Achro I dislike road, it seems like a forced scumread that he needs in order for later in case he needs a lynch later.

The questions to cue mean nothing about the state of the game, I can think of several other questions that would've been more pertinent than asking about the question from those two posts.

I then began to realise that I don't remember any of road's probably 20-odd posts and that irritates me. Then I remembered I didn't remember any of road's posts in Game 3, either.
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I like you. You are a nice guy, and that could probably be the reason. But why did you answer this question? You stated that there were a lot of posts and you needed to catch up but still finds time to take up this question and write an answer. Meh. Just an observation, no villa/wolfpoints though - for now!
Cause I thought my story was fun and I like cue. I wanted to answer his question while I was reading. He might have a reason for making the post I don't know so I'm more than willing to address it.

Glad I earned a solid null read from that!
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Kinda feel like I have some decent reads. I know the competition is better than last game most likely.

villagers
TehBankertin
Archomatic
cue5c
bhuber
fonti

wolves
MSU
road (I agree with cue's read to an extent. I think road seems different but I was very wrong on him last game so I'm hesitant to push this read)

Everyone else I don't want to give a read on.
Why do you find bhuber villagery? I know you highlighted a single post where he aknowledged your Swift-joke, but dont recall anything else. I find his entrance weird. More scummy than villagery, I think.
Also, you noting that I'm different than our last game is spot on. (did cue note the same? dont recall that) If you want to put me under wolf for know, that is fair, but maybe, and just maybe, there are another reason for this
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Yeah.

First post I had issue with is road reading Acromatic reading cue. For the same reasons that road disliked Achro I dislike road, it seems like a forced scumread that he needs in order for later in case he needs a lynch later.

The questions to cue mean nothing about the state of the game, I can think of several other questions that would've been more pertinent than asking about the question from those two posts.

I then began to realise that I don't remember any of road's probably 20-odd posts and that irritates me. Then I remembered I didn't remember any of road's posts in Game 3, either.
The "him" I was referring to was MSU. Were you thinking I meant Acromatic or you just expanding on the road read?
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Fonti when will you be around to talk about your reads?
2 hours
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Why do you find bhuber villagery? I know you highlighted a single post where he aknowledged your Swift-joke, but dont recall anything else. I find his entrance weird. More scummy than villagery, I think.
Also, you noting that I'm different than our last game is spot on. (did cue note the same? dont recall that) If you want to put me under wolf for know, that is fair, but maybe, and just maybe, there are another reason for this
I lined up with his read on MSU at the same time in the thread that he made teh read I had the read. He also noted my joke which mean he clearly was taking time to read all the posts I know I've had a lot and I think scum would be more apt to skip over or skim my posts. Those two things combined for a village read from me. HE also later said something that I agreed with at the time that felt we were in sync. Although I will say I disagree with his fonti read.

I of course understand people play different game to game. I'm just saying that different could mean a lot of things! I would rather lynch MSU over you atm.

I want you to catch up to realtime please. I'm interested in your progression on me although I'm kind of reading it as you go so we will see.
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It means there's 1 power role and it seems like you're searching for it, notifying your teammates in case they can sway the lynch toward that person and come off distanced from you while doing so.
lol dejavu to my game (but please stop doing the exact same thing, if you find it problematic)
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Seems quite reaching to me. Also pretty pointless, considering that the only way that could be used to actually kill someone is through the Mafia kill (kind of hard to push a lynch on someone you say you are reading as town after all), and in that case, such tactics may as well just be discussed in private, as the OP confirms private communication is allowed at Night anyway. A rather large risk for a very low gain (just a preemptive acknowledgement if anything).
Which is why you signal it to someone else to take over. So is it reaching? Maybe, but that you supposedly don't understand the implications of what you're saying is sketch to me.
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Yeah I thought you meant road

MSU has had like two posts of note and I honestly can't do much else than to sheep bhuber's points towards him, I've stated my point about MSU's first and his second post town reads you and Riki who are top tier already, Doc's read isn't a townread until he said it was a townread. And three (maybe four if you count Slendy) people out of 13 who had posted so far isn't a very extensive list and more important he doesn't have a scum read, nothing that jumps out at him. I mean there's been several times to look on a lot of variable scumreads like me, Dorian, DocEspanda, cue, even road at that point IIRC... and he didn't find any of them suspicious. Is he hunting?

I mean he's been extremely passive so far where 80% of the people in the game have been pushing for interactions as well
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i think i should get some credit for everyone townreading achro since it was my post he questioned
This post though. Dont know what to make of it. Would be sick to highlight this, as Achro had given someone else (cue, maybe?) villager-points for something very alike. Oh I'm metaing myself. I think I would write this more often as a villager than as a scum, therefore i give Riki slight villapoints.

Well, that is if:

@Riki, were you aware that Achro had given villapoints to cue, when cue stated that "how should i get villapoints, when you are writing everything i'm thinking"-ish?
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