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Old 06-23-2015, 04:57 PM   #2701
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Dorian -- off the top of your head, as fast as possible, without going through your own filter, please describe to me your thought process with regards to Ratchet. Either during D2 or during the whole of the game, whichever's easier.
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Old 06-23-2015, 04:57 PM   #2702
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how are both of you so sure that the other is mafia that you're willing to be lynched before bhuber because of it

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I'm willing to be lynched before bhuber because I think it's the practical thing to do for the town team as I look at future scenarios. Not because I'm "so sure that Banks is mafia."
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:00 PM   #2703
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you said your weird comment on ratchet near the end of d1 was supposed to be you fakepeeking him

why did you completely drop that on d2
Because, once Ratchet was almost-lynched, it became very obvious that it would be a horribly useless fakepeek for a fake claim. I thought about looking back at day 1 and seeing if I could use anything else I'd written to justify someone else as a N0 fakepeek, but then MSU claimed and made the whole thing moot.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:00 PM   #2704
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:04 PM   #2705
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Because, once Ratchet was almost-lynched, it became very obvious that it would be a horribly useless fakepeek for a fake claim.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:04 PM   #2706
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Because, once Ratchet was almost-lynched, it became very obvious that it would be a horribly useless fakepeek for a fake claim. I thought about looking back at day 1 and seeing if I could use anything else I'd written to justify someone else as a N0 fakepeek, but then MSU claimed and made the whole thing moot.
Useless? How come -- you had no way of knowing Ratchet's affiliation back then...?
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:06 PM   #2707
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The case on SmartBomb I've already addressed.



I don't have much of a defense to this. I can see it from Banks's perspective. I'm very unused to people switching from voting for someone to voting with them, or even considering it. I was trying to get a better read of Banks and his thought process.



That's one way of interpreting it. Road also townread me pretty hard day 1, and is perhaps just trying to look like town, cause what are good townies supposed to do for the people they've townread? Also, I always off-vote on day 1 to avoid attention. ALWAYS. Unless it involves lyrics from Into the Woods.

Already addressed the part about my reply to road with too many townreads.



If it's dismissive, it's because I was super in a rush to get out the door. I had such weak reads on anyone day 1 that yes, I mostly didn't care who got lynched except me, because I'm the only one that I knew for sure would be a mislynch. In the format I'm used to, if no one claims anything day 1, I never care who gets lynched either.

I love how Banks has been held to a similar standard for addressing every single point I made about him. Instead, he's been mostly arguing Slendy's points.
Double standards suck... I'm apparently a wolf for questioning another wolf on day 1 about their reads and interacting with everyone.

Your day 1 style is to really vote off wagon on day 1?
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:07 PM   #2708
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Dorian -- off the top of your head, as fast as possible, without going through your own filter, please describe to me your thought process with regards to Ratchet. Either during D2 or during the whole of the game, whichever's easier.
Sure. I got near the end of the day, had to consider who to vote for. At that point, I realize that almost none of Ratchet's posts stuck out in my head. I decide to make him my fakepeek as someone who I think is likely to survive a while for not being controversial.

Then the almost-lynch happens while I'm gone. Ratchet's defense is truly horrible, but I don't see anything else so obviously scummy. I know plenty of people from experience who defend themselves horribly under pressure, despite being innocent. So I sit back to watch day 2 unfold. MSU is constantly pushing me for my opinion of Ratchet, who I'm horribly conflicted on, like I said. The D2 play was good. I could see things easily going either way. I'm willing to shoot him for the horrible defense and the information it provides. Then MSU claims.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:07 PM   #2709
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Seconded. oh hes just a wolf nevermind.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:08 PM   #2710
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Your day 1 style is to really vote off wagon on day 1?
Heck yes. Day 2 is often about lynching someone who did something silly in the top wagons from day 1, and the goal as town is to survive until mid-game when all the roles start pouring tons of information forth.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:09 PM   #2711
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Okay I think I might actually be switching to dorian here.

Wow.

Like, to start with -- if you were so conflicted on Ratchet, why was you asking about the cue-hit the only meaningful thing you could try to discern from his posts?
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:09 PM   #2712
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Dorian atm.



Slendy join the side of good. The village is about to take this down vote dorian for justice!
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:11 PM   #2713
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Heck yes. Day 2 is often about lynching someone who did something silly in the top wagons from day 1, and the goal as town is to survive until mid-game when all the roles start pouring tons of information forth.
I mean like why would everyone not do this? For the record I 100% believe that he votes off wagon as either alignment and recant that portion being a scum read on him. You're still a wolf but not for that. Just tone alone he believes thats the case (note how none of the rest of his posts sound like that)
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:11 PM   #2714
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Sure. I got near the end of the day, had to consider who to vote for. At that point, I realize that almost none of Ratchet's posts stuck out in my head. I decide to make him my fakepeek as someone who I think is likely to survive a while for not being controversial.
you said that you agreed with most of his points

if you didn't have a read on him why would you fakepeek him?
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:12 PM   #2715
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lol the wolf picture was my 5k post... haha dorian flipping wolf will make that **** epic. I meant to make it my day 2 case but got distracted.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:12 PM   #2716
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BHUBER where are you at reading bro. Get in here and vote the wolf who is struggling.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:13 PM   #2717
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Dorian and Ratchet both being confused about cue being a rather obvious Seer Hunt Kill (because there was no reason to assume he couldn't be Mislynched fairly easily) is very interesting -- I feel like either they're both Scum and are trying to spin the Hit as something not too obvious, or the Scumteam is more aware of the SHK-element (and wasn't afk N1) and looking into either of them is a wrong direction entirely.

I don't think any of the Players who are yet to check in are going to ignore the possibility of a SHK the way Dorian and Ratchet did, so mentioning this outloud at this point should be quite a-okay.
Quoting D2!Slendy cause fun.

Ratchet and dorian basically just patted each other on their backs for the clever cue-hit, and... that's the whole D2.

Doesn't make sense.

Oh well: dorian
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:15 PM   #2718
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Useless? How come -- you had no way of knowing Ratchet's affiliation back then...?
Remember, new to this whole setup/strategy. If, heaven forbid, we got to day 3 or 4 and I felt making a fakeclaim was best, my impression was that it's much more useful to have people who are still alive as your scans. I didn't think Ratchet would live that long, and it was definitely possible that he'd flip mafia, in which case I couldn't use it at all.

I feel like, if I were mafia, the simplest thing to have done was just out and said, "Hey, Ratchet's my N0 fakepeek, now I have a free excuse for defending him."
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:15 PM   #2719
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Quoting D2!Slendy cause fun.

Ratchet and dorian basically just patted each other on their backs for the clever cue-hit, and... that's the whole D2.

Doesn't make sense.

Oh well: dorian


When dorian flips wolf slendy should be moving forward btw.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:18 PM   #2720
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Remember, new to this whole setup/strategy. If, heaven forbid, we got to day 3 or 4 and I felt making a fakeclaim was best, my impression was that it's much more useful to have people who are still alive as your scans. I didn't think Ratchet would live that long, and it was definitely possible that he'd flip mafia, in which case I couldn't use it at all.

I feel like, if I were mafia, the simplest thing to have done was just out and said, "Hey, Ratchet's my N0 fakepeek, now I have a free excuse for defending him."
Why do you need a fake claim as vt? Does that normally happen in the setups you play where everyone has a role?

I feel like you're hiding behind the vale of not knowing the setup yet knowing it enough to know you need a fake claim.

ALSO how come ratchet dies if he is town the real cop probably peeked him and will defend him.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:18 PM   #2721
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Like, to start with -- if you were so conflicted on Ratchet, why was you asking about the cue-hit the only meaningful thing you could try to discern from his posts?
Cause I'm bad at grilling people. If I were mafia, I'd never ask Ratchet about the cue-hit. Leaves it way too open to a TMI answer, which is exactly what he gave.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:18 PM   #2722
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Remember, new to this whole setup/strategy. If, heaven forbid, we got to day 3 or 4 and I felt making a fakeclaim was best, my impression was that it's much more useful to have people who are still alive as your scans. I didn't think Ratchet would live that long, and it was definitely possible that he'd flip mafia, in which case I couldn't use it at all.
can you explain what made you think this
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:19 PM   #2723
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Cause I'm bad at grilling people. If I were mafia, I'd never ask Ratchet about the cue-hit. Leaves it way too open to a TMI answer, which is exactly what he gave.
I mean you asked him a question he responded poorly too and you're bad at grilling people as a wolf so story checks out.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:19 PM   #2724
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Cause I'm bad at grilling people. If I were mafia, I'd never ask Ratchet about the cue-hit. Leaves it way too open to a TMI answer, which is exactly what he gave.
His answer was also YOUR opinion of the hit -- a quite strong opinion, in fact.

You two were the only ones who thought that way about it.
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I'm glad slendy didn't agree to the handy before voting.
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