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Old 06-22-2015, 07:22 PM   #2501
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

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The conspiracy?

Do you understand that if I was a wolf with ratchet and road I'd be OPENLY role hunting for people and MSU would have made it hella obvious so I would have been on ratchet for the sweet town cred. Maybe even done something pro like try to claim cop with the red for extra town cred (these are the types of plays I make as mafia when I know whats going on)


I am town why bhuber?
To delay game 1 on dm.

Wifom, wifom, wifom.

Slenfy's town, Achro's town, Riki's probably town, dorian's sort of town. It's hard to escape the poe.
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:29 PM   #2502
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To delay game 1 on dm.

Wifom, wifom, wifom.

Slenfy's town, Achro's town, Riki's probably town, dorian's sort of town. It's hard to escape the poe.
Oh that one didn't realize thats why you weren't here.

I am town btw. I'm not lying. I mean ratchet's filter spews me the only reason its being talked about is because slendy was right on road and associated us.
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:00 PM   #2503
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:06 PM   #2504
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This has also probably been pointed out but he went from having dorian super villager to leaving him completely off his list of villagers later in the day.
I feel like several more experienced people have argued that scum are more likely to not forget their previous reads on teammates and thus not likely to suddenly forget to include them in their lists. I actually had this exact same point in my 3 pages of notes as making me look better, but it got cut in the condensing, cause that was more a case about others than a defense of me.

I see now that Riki agreed with me a few posts back.

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I think my tone is probably enough to clear me but thats probably a bit biased Needless to say, correctly lynching mafia yesterday bought us a little more time (in terms of our ability to mislynch twice now). So I'd probably go dorian/bhuber2010/banks in any order (and yes I included myself) and just re-evaluate everyone at lylo if it comes to that.
I kind of agree with this, but the problem with it is that we reach lylo after mislynching 2. So one of us 3 is still alive at lylo. I'm not sure I want it to be me. I'd much rather be right about Banks.

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banks and achro were his two fakepeeks
Well, yes, but at the time he posted that, I assume he was already planning to drop his fake cover and had started "thinking" Banks was scum. I dunno. Maybe it's just more of a slip by road in emulating town thought-process than actually saying anything about Banks.

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Oh right, meant to answer this: " I haven't played this format enough to know what scum does more often, but both stick out to me." Yeah I'd say your first impression is correct; much more typical for Scum to avoid grouping their Buddies together.
Ok, but is it also unusual to put a teammate as top townread for so long? I mean, road did, but also used the fakepeek as reason for it. My noob logic says that, hey, I've already seen one mafia do it, that makes it more possible that another mafia did it.
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:25 PM   #2505
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Just gonna answer this one quick question for the moment:
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Ok, but is it also unusual to put a teammate as top townread for so long? I mean, road did, but also used the fakepeek as reason for it. My noob logic says that, hey, I've already seen one mafia do it, that makes it more possible that another mafia did it.
Mafia doesn't have Day-time communications, so that makes co-ordinating together more difficult D1, and if you have an insanely Pro-Town-appearing Scumbuddy like Banks, it's definitely easy to 'agree' with the consensus wrt them. If you want to cast suspicion on them, you need to find some reasoning for that and the reasoning needs to be consistent with how you've treated the remainder of the playerbase.

So both road and Ratchet top-Towning Mafia!Banks D1 is definitely plausible, and after N1 road "correcting" his play to distance himself from Banks makes perfect sense. MSU's claim just kind of took the sting out of that attempt, regardless of road's motivation for the clearly weird case.
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:29 PM   #2506
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CORRECT I initiated interaction because I am town and not a WOLF like ratchet and I WAS TRYING TO READ HIM.

Why do you think that interaction is wolf wolf? Why am I initiating it so much? Why is ratchet responding like that to me?
You initiated it because that's what you think town does on day 1, and you wanted to look town. It would look weird if you initiated interaction with everyone but your buddies, so of course you initiated things with everyone. Ratchet responded because she had to. I find nothing about how she responded that means you couldn't be on a team together.

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ALSO NOTE ROAD TOOK ALL DAY TO VOTE ON DORIAN because they're wolves and he didn't know what to do (again a BANKS SCUM TEAM would 100% know what was going on each day phase.)
road even said this about himself, but I'd point it out anyways if he hadn't. Every single day he only placed one vote near the end of the day. It's totally how he seems to operate, and thus it means nothing.

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I'd have bussed for town cred becasue ratchet was going down ALWAYS after day 1. I would know that otherwise I'd end up in this situation.
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Do you understand that if I was a wolf with ratchet and road I'd be OPENLY role hunting for people and MSU would have made it hella obvious so I would have been on ratchet for the sweet town cred. Maybe even done something pro like try to claim cop with the red for extra town cred (these are the types of plays I make as mafia when I know whats going on)
I guess I can just envision a scenario where, if you bussed Ratchet hard at the beginning of the day, you think everyone would follow you, and thus the cop might easily choose to stay hidden. By not bussing, you draw out the cop.

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dorian if it isn't you who is it?
You.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:00 PM   #2507
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Just gonna answer this one quick question for the moment:Mafia doesn't have Day-time communications, so that makes co-ordinating together more difficult D1, and if you have an insanely Pro-Town-appearing Scumbuddy like Banks, it's definitely easy to 'agree' with the consensus wrt them. If you want to cast suspicion on them, you need to find some reasoning for that and the reasoning needs to be consistent with how you've treated the remainder of the playerbase.

So both road and Ratchet top-Towning Mafia!Banks D1 is definitely plausible, and after N1 road "correcting" his play to distance himself from Banks makes perfect sense. MSU's claim just kind of took the sting out of that attempt, regardless of road's motivation for the clearly weird case.
What will you talk about tomorrow when I'm dead and you cant talk about how you don't believe i thought ratchet was cop and the scum were clearing buddying some VERY town VERY vocal person day 1 so THEY DONT DIE.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:17 PM   #2508
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You initiated it because that's what you think town does on day 1, and you wanted to look town. It would look weird if you initiated interaction with everyone but your buddies, so of course you initiated things with everyone. Ratchet responded because she had to. I find nothing about how she responded that means you couldn't be on a team together.



road even said this about himself, but I'd point it out anyways if he hadn't. Every single day he only placed one vote near the end of the day. It's totally how he seems to operate, and thus it means nothing.





I guess I can just envision a scenario where, if you bussed Ratchet hard at the beginning of the day, you think everyone would follow you, and thus the cop might easily choose to stay hidden. By not bussing, you draw out the cop.



You.
I played a game with road before he DIDNT operate like that with the end of day voting look it up in his filter.

I am not mafia so try again this time with a chance of being right.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:59 PM   #2509
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I did come to that conclusion because I didn't think that road would make the post about me and stick to it as a wolf I mean he was saying **** that wolves just normally don't say about a town imo. He played it well from my perspective at least.
what did you not like or disagree with about the reasons people had for lynching road yesterday?
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:00 PM   #2510
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:04 PM   #2511
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Riki why do you think its bhuber?
his posts are triggering me
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:12 PM   #2512
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banks

how are you so sure that dorian is mafia that you aren't even like responding to the stuff that he posts
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:13 PM   #2513
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like can we talk about why dorian is mafia instead of repeating that you're town
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:14 PM   #2514
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like you can post ur case on dorian now
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:18 PM   #2515
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So both road and Ratchet top-Towning Mafia!Banks D1 is definitely plausible, and after N1 road "correcting" his play to distance himself from Banks makes perfect sense. MSU's claim just kind of took the sting out of that attempt, regardless of road's motivation for the clearly weird case.
i mean i agree that road's case was pretty weird and bad

but i don't think he necessarily made it because of the bolded reason

like he was fakepeeking banks, at that point he'd probably be excused from buddying up to banks so much if he's supposed to pretend that he knew banks was town from the start of the game
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:20 PM   #2516
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what did you not like or disagree with about the reasons people had for lynching road yesterday?
I said so earlier. I thought that the things he was saying to me were not things a wolf would say to a town when they were about to die. It just made no sense as it didn't help him I mean I was already voting the other guy so that it benefited him none at all. I mean it really did nothing for him.
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:21 PM   #2517
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although i have difficulty coming up with a great reason for why a road in a ratchet/road/dorian or ratchet/road/bhuber team would randomly drop seer cover and make a case like that

but i don't want to make assumptions about what the mafia team would/wouldn't do

like maybe my imagination isn't good enough

at the very least it probably would've been clear that msu was softing a red check on ratchet
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:26 PM   #2518
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I said so earlier. I thought that the things he was saying to me were not things a wolf would say to a town when they were about to die. It just made no sense as it didn't help him I mean I was already voting the other guy so that it benefited him none at all. I mean it really did nothing for him.
yeah but that's literally just him clicking buttons when he was likely getting lynched that day regardless of what he does (well i mean maybe he wouldn't have if he actually chose to defend himself)

i mean a bunch of people posted actual like logic for why he was mafia, and you ignored most of it and chose to focus on stuff that he said when he was likely already in anti-spew which is pretty strange to me

like have you never played against mafia that said something that didn't benefit them or might not be from their immediate pov just so they could look town

have you never done that as mafia
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:28 PM   #2519
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the entire goal that people have when they're mafia is to "act town"

so when you immediately believe that he's town for "acting town" when there's actual gaps in his logic and stuff that's just strange imo
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:46 PM   #2520
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Banks, make the dorian case.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:18 PM   #2521
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

I also would very much like bhuber's current opinion on Banks and/or me. Even if he's back to being busy with work, he needs to at least put his input in on the situation today so that, if we screw it up today, everyone has more info after the next lynch.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:25 PM   #2522
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Banks, make the dorian case.
I am town and if hes not mafia then i played like **** and I refuse to believe that is possible.

Also evidence.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:25 PM   #2523
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Cool.

Bye Banks.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:29 PM   #2524
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Banks you aren't helping me here <_<.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:29 PM   #2525
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the entire goal that people have when they're mafia is to "act town"

so when you immediately believe that he's town for "acting town" when there's actual gaps in his logic and stuff that's just strange imo
of Course. I know for a fact that can happen and of course people do that. Put I already thought dorian was mafia and I felt road wasn't doing enough for me to pull of him plus everyone else is voting road and there is 2 mafia in the game and just me and doc were on dorian for like the entire day. I mean it makes sense for an exact team of road dorian but that wasn't as plausible i thought at the time.
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