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Old 06-22-2015, 05:08 PM   #2476
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

Oh right, meant to answer this: " I haven't played this format enough to know what scum does more often, but both stick out to me." Yeah I'd say your first impression is correct; much more typical for Scum to avoid grouping their Buddies together.

And I'd say a big reason why road started the weird-as-hell case on Banks D2 was because, as you correctly noted, it was 'weird' that both Ratchet and road buddied Banks hard and Banks (correctly) suggested some distancing. And helped road with the case, giving suggestions, atleast to an extent.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:12 PM   #2477
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I was trolling the thread last night (of sorts), but only because I was afraid I was about to (and did) lose my good FRAND road.

If you guys knew me, or knew anything about it me, I take playing the mafia role extraordinarily seriously.

I've literally never once given up despite overwhelming circumstances...so to say I'd openly troll the thread as mafia while my scum bro road was going down is probably pretty farfetched for me....it would be fun
i've played enough games with bottom tier tom to know what it feels like to get openly trolled by mafia !!!!
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:19 PM   #2478
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I don't think he did treat them differently. At least not from how I read it. Also I... don't understand how it is scummy for banks to have initiated the meaningful ones. He talked to literally everyone in much the same manner.
Ratchet ignored road. Ratchet also ignored Banks. Ratchet DIDN'T ignore Riki. Banks didn't ignore Ratchet, hence there were some interactions that superficially seem convincing.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:22 PM   #2479
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Re: The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6

also one thing about a ratchet/road/dorian scumteam would mean that both ratchet and road kind of came to dorian's defense when i semi-attacked him early on d1

so that would be kind of weird

and i still think that road forgetting to put dorian on his villager list is a point for dorian, not against him
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:24 PM   #2480
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I don't agree with that at all. Ratchet discussed Banks a lot. Like from the onset. I completely disagree with you.

I mean... Ratchet ignored dorian much more than he ignored banks.

I think you are tunneling tbh. Maybe I am too, I don't know, but the standard you are holding banks to in regards to ratchet would make dorian look even worse by comparison. I think you've got your theory and you're going with it. Like, seriously. I have no understanding of how Banks/Ratchet looks worse than Ratchet/Dorian. None.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:33 PM   #2481
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:41 PM   #2482
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So yeah not only is the Cop!Ratchet-read sketchy, throughout D3 TehBankertin conveniently 1) ignored the most incriminating evidence against road, which everyone else saw, and 2) went as much in circles wrt my case against him as possible.

I will read through dorian today, but based on his tone defending himself D3 I liked him as Town very much.

bhuber also ignored 1 and 2, and he definitely is the second most likely Mafia in my eyes, but he wasn't looking into me at all D3 so unless while rereading D3 I come across something incredibly sketch-y wrt that I don't mind this with him so much. While the road-stance was odd, the 'tiredness' and indecisiveness after the gruesome reread was green.

IMO we resolve the Bs today.
The tunnel is real. The thing about the cop annoys me. Its what I actually ****ing thought. I am not a wolf never have been. If I was a wolf I'd have two partners alive the cop would have died N1 and if he didn't ratchet would always cc.

I need you to realize this. The last scum is still dorian. I've been on the wrong scum all game. If I'm wrong on this then I will graciously accept my first ever forum misslynch tomorrow. I won't find myself in final 3 being wrong all game thats just not a headache and heartache I'm willing to deal with.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:42 PM   #2483
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I'm good with Achromatic now. I doubt scum!Achro says scum are probably bussing and then becomes the deciding vote on Road.

Tempted to go for Bhuber with the way he's emphasizing how much liked Road, but Banks is still so much worse.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:47 PM   #2484
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i kind of agree that banks would probably play yesterday's eod differently if he was mafia with road

like it doesn't feel like he was making posts knowing that road was about to flip mafia
I sure didn't think so and have never actually been saddened to see someone flip wolf before but I was because unless I'm right on exactly dorian I played a ****ty ****ing game. I mean my day 1 list was pretty good if its dorian because I had road/dorian in my want to lynches day 1 and was really just super wrong on ratchet but I think my cop thing was justified.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:50 PM   #2485
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I think Banks is one wifom level higher than you guys and played yesterDay 100% wrong deliberately. I mean, he actually resorted to calling me scum because he couldn't find any partner for dorian between his townreads and the unaligned pairs logic already in the thread. There's no way he'd honestly come to that conclusion.
I did come to that conclusion because I didn't think that road would make the post about me and stick to it as a wolf I mean he was saying **** that wolves just normally don't say about a town imo. He played it well from my perspective at least.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:59 PM   #2486
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I have accounted for Banks being one wifom level above me, actually. If the defining thing for Banks was his play yesterday I would be lynching him. Also the truth of the matter is that it was poor wifom by him given he is now my second highest. This is all about degrees. I wish for Dorian to die first because I think that ends the game. So I am going to argue for it.
I appreciate this even thought you're basically saying I'm playing a bad town game lol.

I know that unless I'm right on dorian my game has been clearly **** tier. I really hope thats not hte case.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:02 PM   #2487
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This.

I do promise that I will go through dorian, Achro, but answer me this: am I wrong in claiming that Ratchet actually treated Banks differently from Riki? Am I wrong that the person who made the Ratchet/Banks -interactions look good was Banks, who initiated all the meaningful ones?
CORRECT I initiated interaction because I am town and not a WOLF like ratchet and I WAS TRYING TO READ HIM.

Why do you think that interaction is wolf wolf? Why am I initiating it so much? Why is ratchet responding like that to me?

Talk about that. I know you're incorrect so I know that if you look at it enough you'll see the truth.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:04 PM   #2488
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Ratchet ignored road. Ratchet also ignored Banks. Ratchet DIDN'T ignore Riki. Banks didn't ignore Ratchet, hence there were some interactions that superficially seem convincing.
Ratchet talked directly too me multiple times. He interacted with me he commented entirely on my reads list how can you possibly say he ignored me? Did you even read the filters?
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:05 PM   #2489
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I did come to that conclusion because I didn't think that road would make the post about me and stick to it as a wolf I mean he was saying **** that wolves just normally don't say about a town imo. He played it well from my perspective at least.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:06 PM   #2490
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Oh right, meant to answer this: " I haven't played this format enough to know what scum does more often, but both stick out to me." Yeah I'd say your first impression is correct; much more typical for Scum to avoid grouping their Buddies together.

And I'd say a big reason why road started the weird-as-hell case on Banks D2 was because, as you correctly noted, it was 'weird' that both Ratchet and road buddied Banks hard and Banks (correctly) suggested some distancing. And helped road with the case, giving suggestions, atleast to an extent.
Its weird that the two wolves buddied the town with the most posts who was clearly pushing towards certain people and likely would be the one to lead an EoD lynch (which that donkey town did) ITs weird that happened. I mean wolves don't ever buddy the most vocal town in hopes of getting town read.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:09 PM   #2491
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TehBankertin is annoyed at being the role of mafia without me.


Go into some detail on this, please.
I wanted mafia fonti. I know I would make the finals as mafia because I would win as mafia. You know that I'm good/better at mafia than town. If I was mafia on day 4 wolves would have 3 alive.

Don't get mad that I had a tinfoil on you. I didn't even press that to try to get dorian lynched over road even though I think dorian is a wolf.

ALSO NOTE ROAD TOOK ALL DAY TO VOTE ON DORIAN because they're wolves and he didn't know what to do (again a BANKS SCUM TEAM would 100% know what was going on each day phase.)

To the 2nd point the **** he said about him being clear if I flipped wolf was insane to me to say as wolf because he knows that I a) probably never flip before him based on the day b) knows I flip town and therefore why say that? It felt like a town who TRULY BELIEVED his read. I was of course wrong as per usual this game (baring dorian's flip)
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:14 PM   #2492
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With scum!Dorian voting Road out of the gate, you'd think Road would have taken the cue to bus.

Your reason for townreading is super unconvincing because 1.you're probably a wolf and 2.even if you aren't, that's still an incredibly easy thing for scum to say.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:20 PM   #2493
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With scum!Dorian voting Road out of the gate, you'd think Road would have taken the cue to bus.

Your reason for townreading is super unconvincing because 1.you're probably a wolf and 2.even if you aren't, that's still an incredibly easy thing for scum to say.
I'm not a wolf fonti. I play better than this as wolf. I'd have bussed for town cred becasue ratchet was going down ALWAYS after day 1. I would know that otherwise I'd end up in this situation. Its obviously easy to say anything as wolf but what does he gain from saying that? Why?
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:24 PM   #2494
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With scum!Dorian voting Road out of the gate, you'd think Road would have taken the cue to bus.

Your reason for townreading is super unconvincing because 1.you're probably a wolf and 2.even if you aren't, that's still an incredibly easy thing for scum to say.
Pretend you knew I was town. Who is the scum? That is the factual case but live there for a bit.
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:46 PM   #2495
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fonti whered you go?
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:06 PM   #2496
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I'm at work. I thought you were in on the conspiracy?

Do you get that if MSU hadn't come out with a red check, Ratchet would have probably lived? Maybe road would have died in his place, but that had nothing to do with you.

If you're town, then it's probably bhuber.
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:11 PM   #2497
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I....have to little say in defense of Achromatic's case. It's not the kind of case that has much defense. I kind of think that Ratchet disagreeing with Banks and Riki but looking past it is fundamentally different then agreeing with someone. If you agree with someone, you don't usually feel the need to look past it as strongly. I don't think I'd have lumped her read of me in with the reads of them. Other than that, you're mostly right on this point, and it becomes a question of whether that weighs heavier than the points against the others. I don't think it does, but I'm biased.

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Banker just... played yesterday 100% wrong if he is scum. In my view, of course. Scum, in my estimate, gain nothing from trying to avoid a road lynch. I am assuming the final scum is intelligent and thoughtful. I feel like from a survival stand point the person who makes the most sense as scum is Dorian.
My first instinct was to actually agree with this as well. I totally would have bussed road hard yesterday, though I totally wouldn't have pushed him harder than Ratchet like I did on day 2. I don't know why Banks or bhuber didn't. Maybe it's one WIFOM level higher like fonti suggests. Maybe Banks is just cocky enough to think that his push on me would have succeeded. I mean, Doc voted me first, he had his vote, road's, and most likely bhuber's guaranteed, all he needed was one more.

If road's last partner bussed him in the final vote, I know it wasn't me, and that means it's going to be an incredibly difficult end game. I think me discussing that scenario only makes it easier for the mafia to pick who they kill next.

Here's a question. Do you think I'm so super-bus-happy that I put both of my teammates in my to-kill list for MSU's 3x3?

I'm going to have dinner, and then catch up on everything after Achro's case.
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:15 PM   #2498
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I'm at work. I thought you were in on the conspiracy?

Do you get that if MSU hadn't come out with a red check, Ratchet would have probably lived? Maybe road would have died in his place, but that had nothing to do with you.

If you're town, then it's probably bhuber.
The conspiracy?

Do you understand that if I was a wolf with ratchet and road I'd be OPENLY role hunting for people and MSU would have made it hella obvious so I would have been on ratchet for the sweet town cred. Maybe even done something pro like try to claim cop with the red for extra town cred (these are the types of plays I make as mafia when I know whats going on)


I am town why bhuber?
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:16 PM   #2499
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I....have to little say in defense of Achromatic's case. It's not the kind of case that has much defense. I kind of think that Ratchet disagreeing with Banks and Riki but looking past it is fundamentally different then agreeing with someone. If you agree with someone, you don't usually feel the need to look past it as strongly. I don't think I'd have lumped her read of me in with the reads of them. Other than that, you're mostly right on this point, and it becomes a question of whether that weighs heavier than the points against the others. I don't think it does, but I'm biased.



My first instinct was to actually agree with this as well. I totally would have bussed road hard yesterday, though I totally wouldn't have pushed him harder than Ratchet like I did on day 2. I don't know why Banks or bhuber didn't. Maybe it's one WIFOM level higher like fonti suggests. Maybe Banks is just cocky enough to think that his push on me would have succeeded. I mean, Doc voted me first, he had his vote, road's, and most likely bhuber's guaranteed, all he needed was one more.

If road's last partner bussed him in the final vote, I know it wasn't me, and that means it's going to be an incredibly difficult end game. I think me discussing that scenario only makes it easier for the mafia to pick who they kill next.

Here's a question. Do you think I'm so super-bus-happy that I put both of my teammates in my to-kill list for MSU's 3x3?

I'm going to have dinner, and then catch up on everything after Achro's case.
dorian if it isn't you who is it?
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Riki why do you think its bhuber?
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