I'm currently going through all of Dorian's posts and taking notes, but while doing that I came across a Ratchet-Bankertin interaction that pretty amusingly fits the bill I'm describing (Banks is the initiative side, Ratchet LEGITIMATELY interacts with Riki while only questioning Banks about weak things)
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Originally Posted by RatchetOPB
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.
To me, the bio was just a brief introduction describing the approach to Mafia.
I think that would go without saying though. Everyone, particularly those not used to these levels of activity and not familiar with anyone else, is going to have to change their standard play.
I think he's attempting to replicate his town meta, but that, in this context, doesn't make him scum. I suppose if I had to pick where I lean there, I'd say he was town trying hard to appear as town, and I acknowledge that replicating meta is something you would find scum doing as opposed to town.
His argument regarding the bio itself.
I don't agree. I'd say scum have to work hard to justify any sort of town reads, as giving easy ones away is scummy, and giving none is also scummy. It's not natural to them. Which is why I believe that scum go to these lengths to justify their reads, hence my vote.
Is it really though? That's essentially what he was doing, no?
i just read it as a throwaway read that wasn't even against what was probably thread consensus at the time
First paragraph is the response to Banks' reads-list. No further questioning (Banks has to prod him later for it...), just accepting as is.
The other paragraphs are Ratchet responding to Riki, going through every minute detail Riki brought up in his recent posts.
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Originally Posted by TehBankertin
Can you talk to me about non-bio related stuff. Looking at my reads where do you vary or not with me?
1st prod.
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Originally Posted by TehBankertin
I see you don't get what he means interesting.
I'm more fun to talk to than cue. So talk to me if you could.
2nd prod to Ratchet...
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Originally Posted by RatchetOPB
I cant say too much on this. I don't know how he played Game 2, and with me not following it live I doubt I'd really get a great idea (I find I get more out of games ongoing rather than reading games already done with). It's a valid enough read I suppose, for Day 1 at least, If I had to pick, I agree with the colour as well, but that's on my gut feeling for Arch.
I disagree with this read (unless you are telling the truth about the peek, obviously). Not that Riki isn't asking questions and whatnot, but I don't think anything in there is worthy of a townread from me personally.
I disagree entirely here. It relies too much on an assumption for my liking, and confident scum play isn't exactly a commodity given the strength of the playing field I'd wager. I also have Cue at lean scum down to his posts and the general cocky attitude in them, although only a light lean.
Another one I disagree with the reasoning on. I don't have enough to have a decent read on Bhuber so far, and while I'd pick town if I needed to, I don't think it's enough to worth mentioning personally.
I'm not sure how you can be more hesitant on a read based on actual play in the game compared to a read based on a largely baseless assumption and a read based on a joke, if your reasoning is to be taken literally.
I agree with this one, it's well-reasoned. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt seeing as we still have a good day left, but if his level doesn't improve my vote will be making its way over to him.
Fair point, I guess, not much to say on this one. I find it to be reasonably argued, at least.
So overall, while I don't agree with a lot of them, I think most are valid points. There are just a few reads in there I think are stretching and/or weakly-reasoned.
Wishy-washy, and the last paragraph (the 'outcome' of the post) was decided by Ratchet before he even
started to type words about the reads themselves. ("I give this a pass
and that's the only thing in this post that interests me, oh wait I ended up disagreeing wrt some parts gotta mention that as well.")
Not sure I can make the point I'm trying to get across any more obvious than this exchange right here.
The last quote is allegedly the post that rung the Cop-bells for Banks, and, well, you can see for yourselves how plausible that is.
Did anyone ever check Banks' reaction to Ratchet's Achro-vote D2? I know *I* got paranoid since it was so weird that it could've even plausibly been a red check.