My counter to this is it is hard to know what this means because Banks is always in the thread. Ratchet didn't have much of a chance to ignore him <_<.

Here she is reacting to my reads list. Unprovoked.

If you read past page 2 of his filter.

REally? Oh well okay then. I apologize for yelling at you for not reading the filter. Why am I scum then? If you don't read the same thing slendy does from ratchets filter?

i don't think that's the issue either

the issue slendy probably has is that banks is always in the thread, and ratchet apparently said he didn't agree with some of the things banks was saying, but didn't reach out and personally initiate interactions enough even though banks was always around

well i don't think i said never

Probably because he didn't want to openly critique the guy who was always in the thread and leading especially if he thought that person already had him as town for reasons unknown. AKA don't poke the bear.

But...that's not true. Ratchet specifically asked Banks to elaborate on his town to scum list and then after Banks elaborated he posted opinions about Banker's list including what he disagreed with. The language he used here, in fact, made it super obvious to me that Road was scum.

It was the first post I came to. There was I think 4 (not 100% on the count where I very early questioned him like I did everyone since i'm town and am trying to read people)

How do you think ratchet a partner would react to someone talking with him a bunch?

Basically for Banker to be scum Ratchet would have had to have requested information from his scumbuddy and then used that information to make a painfully awkward post about Road, their scum buddy, that in hindsight was a neon flashing light.

I just don't see it that way.

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	TehBankertin	Slendy (8), fontisian (17), dorian78 (11)
1	dorian78	Achromatic (20)
2	not voting	bhuber2010 (4), TehBankertin (48)
1	Error	Riki (26)

idk he'd answer their questions and stuff and maybe be awkward about it

iirc the interaction was like this:

- banks posts a reads list
- ratchet asks for explanations
- banks posts explanations
- ratchet replies with something like "thanks"
- banks asks what ratchet's opinions on his reads are
- ratchet makes that post where he responds to each read individually

it was kind of like in two parts, not one single interaction

in conclusion

we should vote bhuber imo

Okay, Banker did that stuff. I... am confused why anyone has a problem with it. Any of it. "Hey scum buddy who has me a top his rankings, let's interact MORE!"

Also this is what ratchet said about Dorian:

Which to me reads like "I should mention this so it doesn't seem like distancing!"

can you lay out your bhuber case?

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	TehBankertin	Slendy (8), fontisian (17), dorian78 (11)
1	dorian78	Achromatic (21)
2	not voting	bhuber2010 (4), TehBankertin (49)
1	Error	Riki (29)

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	TehBankertin	Slendy (8), fontisian (17), dorian78 (11)
1	dorian78	Achromatic (21)
2	not voting	bhuber2010 (4), TehBankertin (49)
1	Error	Riki (29)

DAY 1: DORIAN the boy who Howled Wolf

To start the game dorian has a couple posts about how the meta on their site works, how things are an aren't scum tells. He responds to a couple of questions from me and riki.
He asks about a vote that slendy made on him for his entrance (slendy spotting the last wolf that early means hes play phenomenally)

Then I ask dorian and slendy to evaluate a reads list I had given.

As you can see he goes through and hits on each of my reads. His road read is interesting. I think this is him essentially congratulating a teammate on handling a scum read well in the thread. Wouldn't the natural progression from dorian if he was town to think "well he was scum read and looked good from it I've nodded to what he has said I don't think cue/Banks pressure is good so he is town" Be the general line of thought?

Nope Dorian is scum and this is him soft defending a buddy. Saying the case is bad and he "HANDLED IT WELL" I mean if you're town you just aren't actually being scummy so handling the case well makes little sense .

This is dorian defending Cue and myself voting for road. He doesn't get the reasoning for the town read i was giving cue either. Defend a buddy attack the attacker.

The first bold underlined Do you think that dorian has stepped up with the amount of info that has flipped? 2 mafia have flipped the game is close to solved. He is supposedly a late game player and I haven't seen anything change at all. He isn't using the new information because he already has it all.

The second underlined part. Doc goat's it up and calls out ratchet/dorian mafia and me as town. He then calls scum on doc not for his reads but because he HAS TOO MANY. This is a scum trying to discredit someone's reads being too good and not actually having meaning. He's not addressing the accusation but saying there shouldn't be that much. He even offers him for lynch.
::drudgesiren.gif::

This is the very next post in the game

Dorian just called out doc now moves to another townie in MSU who made an OMGUS vote and in this post he calls MSU scummy but always the good guy he wants the pressure on MSU but doesn't want to get his hands bloody. This guy is the last wolf fyi!

He then is afk for quite a while and the wagons are

So he comes in with this post.


In my opinion this post was overly constructed and too wordy and extra justifiable for a simple vote. It is a big show for dorian as he is a wolf and needs to make sure people know where he went to get where he is.

His scum reads before were:
-Doc for have 3 scums
-Cue for scum reading road improperly
-MSU for the OMGUS vote

This is simply dorian placing an over justified vote on a townie thats not a real wagon so he can be clean when the flip comes. Not how there is 0 scum up for lynch at this point. Scum love to vote off wagon if possible day 1. Town care about consensus.

This next one is a a killer.

The bolded is important. "Do you think I'm busing Smartbomb" My top two scum were smartbomb and dorian at the time. SCUM LOVE to say things like this because it does two things,
1) It makes the world where they're both scum unlikely because of the vote. Makes the 2nd person (smartbomb here more at ease because he knows hes town and thinks "yeah we're not together")
2) It makes the accuser think his read is bad purely because his entire team doesn't make perfect sense. It also AGAIN doesn't address the accusation. It just merely moves it to the side and deflects it. Its a way to get rid of heat without addressing the problem head on and laying low.

Dorian is called out for posting how he does and says this is just how he posts which I think is probably true in a general writing sense but his reads fall short.

Scum buddy road comes in to say this:
He notes his scum buddy posts similarly then asks about his intent on the wagon. Road is smart enough to know that it looks bad voting off wagon like that and he wants to help a buddy out try to coach him into giving a good reason for the vote other that "not wanting to be held responsible for the lynch" which is what was going on.

Dorian replies with:
He is answering the question not too bad tbh. I recall having a bit of mental hesitation on my read on dorian from this post (I think) road set him up to look good with a good answer. This was pretty brilliant by road tbh. I think he did a good job coaching out a good answer from a teammate but essentially he wants to stay in the background with his vote.


Responding to a question from road about his village reads. He admits to not talking about ratchet at all a common scum buddy thing and comments on him being villagery for making good points and stuff but why is he expanded upon and not the other? What made that read so needed to be justified. Answer: Scumbuddy.

This is his last post on day 1.


He has two votes me and riki and quickly dismisses both of our arguments about his scuminess. He doesn't make it back to check in which is not really alignment indicative but he clearly cared more about himself not dying that who actually would die.

END OF DAY 1

This is a sneak peek of tomorrow.

Remember the person who dorian thought was scum was lynched day 1 and he was town.


He doesn't mention the misslynch and the night kill was fresh on his mind. He knows its important to address ratchet whom probably in scum chat was worried very much so about dying.


MORE TO COME when I wake up.

Thanks for the clarification, Riki. Ratchet only started reacting to your reads-lists after a question asked by *ME* at the start of D1. He just kept that up, and that is literally the ONLY "proactivity" from Ratchet wrt to Banks, almost ever (the other two instances were also weak and I mentioned them in my OP on the matter). Asking a person "elaborate on your reads-list pl0x" is NOT actually a decently clearing interaction. It's weak-sauce and EASILY fabricated.

Like, a glaring difference between Riki/Ratchet and Ratchet/Banks: Ratchet actually had additional questions to Riki about his reads and even cast suspicion on some of them. With Banks Ratchet commented on ONE big-ass list post given by Banks, and that's it. It was like they were both commenting on the same Wikipedia-article, NOT the two of them *interacting*.

Funny that both Ratchet and road accused me of tunneling and/or being stubborn, and berating my play more than managing to disprove my arguments against them. You kind of resort to a similar attitude here, Banks, and if you're Mafia I find it amusing that makes it 3/3 I'll get back to arguing with all the things with you once I'm not travelling.

Another quick response: if you flip Town, Banks, well, like I've already stated several times, today's the day we resolve the Bs. If I'm wrong about you, bhuber dies, assuming I don't get a MASSIVE change of heart after re-reading dorian/listening to other people's comments on him.

not going to lie I proof read 0% of that post. I'm headed to bed.

DORIAN78

I will continue using this:



to bury him.

oh damn I want to go to bed any chance you can scan my dorian day 1 case and tell me what you think.

You didn't go 3/3 slendy. Sorry bro.

Read my dorian case. I also don't think I berated your play at any point. I said that you were using too much association and should read the evidence.

I'll check my ipad in like 20 minutes before I fall asleep. Otherwise I'll just pick up here in the morning.

Dorian's D1 definitely is the weakest of his Phases, Banks.

A part of my Town-lean on him though has been that he has seemed to consistently progress into a Player who needs "confirmed" information in order to properly try #solve-ing the game.

So, a lot to mull over in that post by you, can't say in the 20minutes you have left (now less than 5?) how much of it I agree with. At a superficial glance there's some bits I felt weren't as red as you presented them.

I guess you were just passing through. Sleep time for real now.