Basically I am interested to see how this whole dorian vs banks thing turns out.

Dorian doesnt seem to be too concerned at the moment despite banks being somewhat vocal about him being mafia...

road thinks that banks is mafia (even though dorian is voting road)

road isnt voting dorian back

its like road is in his own little ass world where he kind of just entertains his own ideas and he's just poking on the sides of the glass

(its possible that I am misinterpreting this completely and hes just mafia and just completely and totally detatched from the thread).

I already read his posts last night (and told you I agreed) and thought the same thing myself.

I asked myself before even reading him - which player does it seem has taken kind of the easiest road to get to this point? If I had to answer honestly Id agree with you and say dorian.

I'll re-read his posts when I get home here in a little bit. I feel as if you were mafia w/ road, you're only option here would be to kind of soft defend him (or defend him even if he's town) and try and divert the wagons somewhere else (i.e. dorian). So I am wary.


Again, 'll re-read him when I get back and try and keep and open mind.

Yeah I'm town though so just read dorian's filter. Like honestly if you read ratchet's filter you would be where achro/fonti/doc are that I'm town and ratchet spewed me as such. The only one that has read it and still thinks I'm a wolf is slendy because hes probably really bad at role hunting and doesn't like that I could tell cue wasn't cop and ratchet felt like cop to me.

Slendy why do you read dorian as town?

i mean i think completely ruling out people at like must lynch for d1 interactions is probably a bad idea, but we aren't at must lynch yet and it's still useful to know whether someone is less likely or more likely to be mafia with someone else imo

i agree that it is relatively easy to interact with mafia partners on d1, but starting a cfd on one when they had no votes previously is probably like really low on the scale

i haven't played/seen too many games of slendy before, but from what i can remember he's not the type of player to make ridiculously -ev plays like that

also, i don't think i understand the last paragraph, if i'm mafia with dorian how would i know that a dorian wagon wouldn't get votes before i decide to bus and vote him?

also the me/dorian thing goes further than just me trying to vote him at eod, but if you don't put weight into d1 interactions then it's w/e

Could you link some of the interactions you're talking about?

i'm not sure i understand the purpose of either of these questions

like i think it should be simple enough to understand that regardless of his alignment, he wouldn't have been used to the type of play that was expected of him on day 1 in this game

rereading his filter i actually think he adapted quite well given how his forum normally plays d1

that one part where he accused doc thinking they were similar types of players, yet doc had a ton of scumreads while he himself had like no scumreads seemed really genuine to me

i mean i agree that having a relatively low amount of posts that are gamesolving is scummy in a vacuum, but i don't understand why you would leave it at that and not like, try to evaluate people on a player by player basis

this is the entire interaction

i think he stopped responding at this point

also worth noting is that ratchet started arguing with me starting like halfway through this interaction

i just realized how dumb the "like idk" quote looks in that post lol

i quoted dorian's bio in that post and highlighted a part that i thought was inconsistent with how dorian was playing at the time

that was also the post that ratchet "disliked" and started to argue with me about

Everyone thinks my logic is wrong... until it's nearly always right. Even when it's wrong, I lay out the next steps. Wish this was my old forum where I could lean on my unusual sense of "just trust me on this" to see my theory through to completion.

With that said i don't disagree that road should be lynched. Won't complain about that. Its the right move. But I just feel like a bhuber dorian combo is such a real possiblity. And no matter how much others downplay it, and bhuber mislynch is the most useful mislynch and a bhuber accurate lynch is the second most useful lynch (behind a road accurate lynch).

Votes from post 1743 to post 2336
Night in 1:59:58
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	road	dorian78 (29), Riki (105), Slendy (85), fontisian (33)
1	bhuber2010	DocEspana (29)
1	dorian78	TehBankertin (131)
2	not voting	Achromatic (32), road (58)
1	Error	bhuber2010 (69)

i mean road straight up hasn't voted yet which someone else also pointed out earlier

afaict road thinks the mafia team is banks/dorian although he's tried to call out slendy for tunneling on him once or twice

i mean it's possible that he's just super out of it but some of the things he's said just seem super arbitrary and i don't see how it's possible to think those things from the pov of a villager, even one that's confused as hell

like i probably should've written these things down but off of the top of my head:

him keeping a villager read on you (bhuber) for some (imo) thin eod1 reasons, and at the same time dropping down slendy and fonti into the poe for ??? reasons (and fonti was already a villager read of his before ratchet became confirmed mafia)

him insisting that achro is shc

his thing about wanting to resolve the 4 wagons that died out before eod before resolving the ratchet wagon

that's all i remember atm

also his thing where he made a connection that ratchet could be a similar player to coolkid, a player who was mafia in the previous game with him, who played kind of utr and he (road) didn't pay much attention to him that game

even after making that connection, he continues to pay little attention to ratchet in this game, even though he apparently thinks ratchet is similar to a player that was mafia and escaped his attention in a previous game

I dont remember any wierd progression in his reads in game 3.

I would have expected him to ask more questions, following up on them trying to get answers - and just trying to let me have a hard time (so he could read me)

Because if what he says is true he would have instructed me to claim cop - instead i drop my cover because i think i have a good case. Therefore a scum!banks would spew me villager, unless he lied ofc.

Well I cant explain it more than i have. I didnt find Ratchet that suspicious and i figured he would often be resolved anyway because that would be std - therefore not that important to research him over the others.

Havce you even considered if there is a point in my reasoning. That it does make sense to look at the earlier wagons?

My point is he is doing something that is scummy. You say hes doing it because of his home meta doesn't make it less scummy in my eyes. He has been not actively solving the game.

Ah. And here's the crux of the case. So I'm completely new to this setup and style of play, and I roll vanilla town. The biggest, worst thing I can for my team is get myself mislynched, especially if it's over something silly like day 1 culture shock. I have totally admitted I spent much of day 1 not trying to find scum, because I frankly don't know how. As we approached end of day, I gave it my best effort, and was wrong. Once I had some info to work with (D2 and beyond), I think this picture you've painted of me becomes less and less true, just like it should.

Here's the thing. I think you're either mafia and using this kind of case on me simply because my inexperience makes me a relatively easy target. Or you're town and actually believe this, and could easily become the next mislynch after me once I flip town. The second is almost worse than the first, because then we've both become a huge distraction to everyone else because you've played this kind of format/style for so long that you've forgotten what it's like to be completely new at it.

I agree its weird he hasn't voted when I'm pushing on dorian who he thinks is mafia nad bhuber is pushing on me. ?Both his suspects are on the table.

Thank you for this. That all makes complete sense to me.

Which is more plausible? What is your biggest scum tell when you try to find scum on your site like what criteria do you use?

BTW the whole part where he says that if I'm a wolf its spews him village is insane to say if hes actually a wolf because the likely hood I flip before him is low AND he would know I'm town so it makes little sense.

Road is town dorian is a wolf. thre you go bhuber!

BTW I know its the weekend but some people are having very bad days where they're not doing a lot.

I hate to name names but they rhyme with "schmonti" and "schmacomatic"

I think they're both pretty plausible, and I'm hoping to have road's flip to help me make a further decision.

The biggest scum tell I look for on my site is people waiting too long to claim a role or claiming things about their roles and actions that make no sense. I'm totally out of my element here.

What do you think about me specifically? Lets have you take a voice on me.