Banker - Is my filter short? I have a lot of posts!

i don't think anyone here has played with ratchet before

i have played with some people from his forum before though and i briefly looked at one of his games before this game started

i feel like this is kind of missing context

ratchet was probably in anti-spew for all of day 2, and he went after slendy/msu/achro who were all people that voted him on d1 so that their extra interactions on d2 wouldn't mean much since they'd already be kind of cleared from d1

he basically didn't really talk about anyone else on d2 except for mentioning his townreads once or twice

he had road at null for most of the game iirc

i mean the fact that fonti's peek exists means it's not neatly solved from any angle*, you can't really just dismiss it as an outlier

*unless you think fonti is mafia, i personally think that's pretty unlikely

well it's not only that he went hard at ratchet on d1, he came into the thread and started the ratchet wagon (along with achro) when ratchet previously had no votes

also, closer to end of day, he started talking about how smartbomb's posting wasn't very good either, and was considering switching to smartbomb, but didn't actually switch, and smartbomb was town, which seems pretty pointless and counterintuitive regardless of what mafia!slendy's plan is with bussing his teammate in mafia!ratchet

i've also just liked all of his posts since then and i think he's mafia here basically never, and achro pretty close to never as well

fonti i might reevaluate at like lylo but i think she's pretty unlikely to be mafia as well

I am now.

I'm not used to vote early on.

Come on guys. Bhuber is like so villager. I mean, if he was scum I cant see him trying so hard on questioning my role and reading me VT. This would probably be the easiest mislynch this game, if he was mafia.

Well that is, if we are not scum together, which ofc are obv to me.

Also that workload he is stating (and looking on timestamps and posts and reads seems genuine) having spend on this game would seem very unlikely for a scum (unless both scums was in the poe)

I'm a bit splitted about Banks, as his posting today is also quite villagery - i mean he keeps defending me.

@Riki, I will post some highlights of the case so you can see my thoughts. I still think Banks could be mafia, but I dont think the way he played d3 would be his default line as scum though.

Its very short. you think its not?

I-is a filter what it means when you isolate all of my posts? Because I have like 170 posts <_<

i mean i personally know that a dorian/me team isn't possible, since like, i know that i'm not mafia

but i kind of think that out of all of the possible teams of people in the poe, a team of dorian/me would be the least likely

like i was voting him for a good amount of time before eod, i think i said at least twice during eod that dorian's wagon not getting any votes was sketchy

and i spent a good amount of early d1 going at him for what i still think was a fail in logic, which i only backed down from because it didn't seem like anyone was agreeing with me

and also something that is possibly noteworthy is that ratchet also spent a good amount of time arguing with me about the above thing with dorian

who do you think is the mafia team then?

dorian/?

yeah it's pretty short imo

You know jokes like this are how we all laugh until I post 300 times between now and deadline about how banker and riki are suddenly obvious scum fiends.

THEN WHO SHALL BE LAUGHING.

this entire thing about making reads on people based on their reads are (like town/mafia/etc.) and not their actual reasoning seems kind of exploitable and is just weird to me

idk

probably the actual mafia team

Votes from post 1743 to post 2190
Night in 13:59:53
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	road	dorian78 (22), Riki (93), Slendy (61), fontisian (26)
2	dorian78	DocEspana (18), TehBankertin (102)
1	TehBankertin	bhuber2010 (54)
2	not voting	Achromatic (30), road (28)

I started the "lack of progression in reads" just after this case. Didnt finish it, but will skip it for now.

I will pick out some examples (maybe the example is the only thing, but just what i remember

"doing some awkward work": http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1335

I thought this was a weird timing, also because he earlier stated that it took a long time to work out. I mean, was this the thing that were the most important thing to do at that time? What about analyzing the eod instead fx?

"simulating being active and productive, but really not contributing with that much" + "showing a bit of double standards"

I will put them together here for the purpose of allocating my time.
But this: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1410 - i dont remember having read a real case from Banks this game?

[important note: this is from after my case, but an example of the same]:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1648
Banks wanting ppl to read spew and are stating more than once that he had read himself and will post it at some time - but i dont think he ever gets to post real spewanalysis of Ratchet?

"Voting-pattern eod d1"
Actually when rereading I dont think his eod voting pattern is that scummy unless the exact scumteam is Ratchet/Banks/Slendy.
But still voting Smartbomb which is 5 to 4 vs a scum is something. Banks had been mating cue up so much during the day that he would never be able to explain a vote on him. So that was not really a possibility.

Anyways I think you have analyzed that eod. But this is the progression [links]:

- 10 minutes to eod
- 5 minutes to eod
- 2 minutes to eod

Honestly i dont think the eod is as scumym as i first thought. I mean if he was scum with ratchet he would probably try to get others to vote smartbomb. He is only stating he doesnt like the wagons. I dont see that many emotions i nregards to get ppl to vote for Bomb. But ofc if he is town, he cant be sure of anything so probably wouldnt dare to try that much.

Also it is intersting to note that he states he would rather lynch ratchet over cue -> but he is saying today that he thought Ratchet could be the cop. This is weird to me. I mean, I cant see the point of it if they were scum together, but seems illogical too as a villager unless he is lying about seeing ratchet as possible cop on d1.

He doesnt keep up his seer cover:
I would expect Seer!Banks to tell villapeek!Riki to vote with him, when he apprantly thinks that two wagons are aids (ratchet and cue) and the last is to be prefered. But he doesnt do that. I would also expect him to ask his peek (whch is a good player) what his thoughts are on best lynch. I mean, he knows riki is villager therefore would it makes sense to get some of his thoughts on optimal lynch.

Im going to post it now so you can respond to it while im still here.. and then i will finish it meanwhile

I honestly dont know. and it annoys me. I mean, I dont think you are scum, i dont think bhuber is scum and i dont think achro is scum.
I have stated I think the last two scum is between Banks, Fonti, Dorian and Slendy. I havent really read the thread while considering possible/not possible scum teams of them yet.

If you get what I mean.

I think it is weird Slendy and fonti not geting more attention, but I know I wont be able to consider them in depth today and I'm afraid it would only make the thread even more confusing as of now

But I have to look through the thread to see if Banks/dorian/ratchet is possible. This would probably be the team I find most likely atm

But I hate being out of sync. I have read the latest posts, but i havent really read the achro, slendy, ratchet discussion earlier and didnt fulyl read all of msus post. and i hate it, but that is the reality. therefore i dont trust my own reads 100p and could be wrong. I just feel quite comfortable with bhuber being villager, and somehow i still think achro is shc (at least in my mind, because i havent seen any cue posts where he is really ambigious about that). And ye, your d3 is just so unlikely as scum. Maybe you are, but i dont think i would consider you before f5/f3 if that is the case - well i would if someone posts a case on you ofc..

Im not that comfortable about Banks being scum, but now i have shown my thoughts on why i have him on my scumlist. Just wouldnt expect scum!banks to take this line today so this makes me question my case

170 posts is like 1 day.

Road glad you're around

This is some of the posts that triggered me when he spoke to/with me. (first is from late d1 and up to middle-ish d2)

I felt like he tried to interact with me, but not really tried (well i know i have been hard to interact with). Also he kind of softpushed me, then not pushed me, then not wanting to "shoot me" but short after voting for me, and wanting riki to pressure me. But when he gets online he answers a question i have about his progression of his read on me, but still not pressuring me with questions.

I just dont think it looks like the Banks i played with game 3.

I dont know if i can elaborate more on this..

are you still around? I want to know if you're down to play a game.

Game 3 I was more impassioned and didn't **** up day 1. I vote mafia the first two days.

Tell me you're here.