The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6 - Page 82 - Puzzles and Other Games Forum

Despite no one sending me to Disney World in MSU's little scenarios, I shall be sending myself to Disney World (for reals!) today. I'll check in before bed. Two thoughts I had before heading out.

Welcome back, bhuber.

The underlined part greatly devalues any reads he gives on road while catching up. Like Slendy said, I would have much rather seen what he had to think before knowing the current state of the game.

Just because I find more possible teams that include bhuber than include you does not mathematically equal that I find bhuber most scummy.

At the time when I made that post, the info gained from bhuber was pretty much nothing, regardless of his flip. You flipping mafia makes Riki look better to me, and narrows my focus to mostly bhuber and Banks. I'll admit, I've perhaps tunneled that scenario a bit cause I think it's most likely. You flipping town would mean I'd have to go back and reevaluate a lot, but my initial thought is that it makes Riki and me look a fair bit worse, and I'm not sure what it says about bhuber and Banks.

I don't know much about this whole strategy of fake-scanning people, but reading this makes me realize that picking a scumbuddy to fake-scan as town and announcing it to the thread sounds like a good way to avoid having to interact with them much. I point this out knowing that, to anyone considering me scum, I'm guilty of the same thing with Ratchet, minus the clear announcement. I choose to draw attention to it anyways.

Ok. I'm off to lunch at Disney.

Going to be a bit selfish but can you address the underlined. You're referring to road if he flipped mafia correct?

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06-20-2015 , 08:11 PM

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TehBankertin

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Originally Posted by Slendy

Not gonna multiquote cause would be Too Painful but I'm gonna show what has happened in this game so far from the perspective of Red!Banks with teammates Ratchet and road.

-start of the game enthusiastically and well, with a convincing tone
-dominate threadflow for the most part
-things go swimmingly until EoD1, when buddy Ratchet gets SFD'd
-has played his cards right and can try to steer the Lynch away from Ratchet without incriminating himself; later makes up the excuse that he thought Ratchet was the Cop, though there is no real reasoning for anyone to think so based on D1
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*N1, yells at (Ratchet and?) road for buddying him too much
*probably tells road to distance the two of them by giving him instructions for a case, which road almost entirely copy-pastes from the QT (you may note that the lingo used in road's case on Banks is nowhere to be seen in any of the other reads he's provided on us fellow players)
*considers cue a likely Seer, the Hit has the added benefit of maybe deflecting suspicion off of Ratchet (atleast with Town!fonti so eagerly breathing on cue's neck)
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-D2, kind of circles around Ratchet but doesn't take any too definite stances and is content to let others do the questioning
-Attacks MSU in an attempt to deflect off of Ratchet; as noted earlier, the team is not keen on bussing Ratchet, especially if R got peeked.
-Stays away from the road-wagon, waits for road to start his push on Banks for the distance-ing. The attempt gets MSU-blocked.
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*N2, woe is the life of the reds. Probably some yelling.
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-D3, not super-relevant anymore. Either afk for the first time in the game or demoralized, or both.

Good that you know I like to yell. Why did red banks not hop on the cue train d1 he apparently thought he was the cop?

Why did red banks state he planned on voting ratchet over cue?

I'm actually quite well known for busing in forum mafia as scum. However not by anyone in THIS game unless they've read my other forum games where I have huge filters. Scum!Banks does one of the above instead of risking a side wagon on someone else.

Is this 100% based on road flipping scum? If he flips town what color am I?

If I flip town what color is road?

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06-20-2015 , 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riki

iirc i only asked banks once and that was with 2 minutes left in the day

any other times i asked it was too other people

also, i might be misunderstanding the second half of your post, but i'm not sure why you'd give me the benefit of the doubt over banks when we have like the same number of posts?

I don't remember you asking me that much either. I wasn't rereading you EoD1 though so I might have missed it.

I think the consensus is that I can't post count clear myself.

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06-20-2015 , 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Slendy

In name of fairness, mostly this is also applicable to Red!bhuber, if you change "steering the Lynch away" and "circling around Ratchet" to "wasn't around lol".

However, Banks claiming Ratchet was off the hook D1 for him due to seeming like a COP doesn't actually make any sense at all if you think about it.
(Did Banks ever pressure Achro during D2? If he legit thought Ratchet could be a Cop, it should follow that Achro is a person of mighty interest for him, come D2. To my recollection Banks was along the same lines with me wrt the MSU/Achro-possibility, so I suppose this does check out, atleast to an extent.)

Plus road's weird antics regarding Banks started after N1 and could be plausibly explained by the above; more plausibly than Redmastermind!bhuber urging road to switch his strategy so drastically.

Fonti can attest that I will do whatever I deem necessary to try to keep the cop alive or hop mafia missed what I missed. I also vary what I do. Sometimes its hard call them mafia weakly with bad reasoning that won't stick like I did with Yates game 1. Sometimes its hard defend them for contributions like in this game. Sometimes I will ignore them and use pure deflection.

I know the game well enough to know that our cop being dead at this point puts us in a spot we would prefer not to be in. Truth be told I'm mad at MSU for claiming when he did it was not needed and kind of a waste. He wasn't saving anyone really maybe mafia was onto him but still ratchet had a good chance of dying either way.

Can I ask why you put so much into associative reads? Especially pre-flip. You seem to be putting a lot of wait on "who is with road" do you think he is always wolf here?

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06-20-2015 , 08:21 PM

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Eating dinner afk for a bit.

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06-20-2015 , 08:25 PM

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here, reading, lurking

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06-20-2015 , 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TehBankertin

I wasn't voting anyone. I haven't talked a lot about my suspects except in general sense the MSU reveal and me reading ratchet for spew (which I haven't posted a real synopsis of.

The only way we lose a game like this is complacency. Maybe I have a reason for voting dorian maybe I don't. Maybe i think hes lock clear or lock wolf. I obviously will expand more later but I want to have the vote there for a reason.

How come you didn't react to my answer to the ratchet being cop for the check on on riki not making sense thing? I kinda thought you were having the moment I did.

I was, but I don't really see the post the way you're claiming to. But I'm a horrible rolehunter, so.

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06-20-2015 , 08:54 PM

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Of all the people in the game still remaining, who left clear, concise peeks on d1?

Off the top of my head I know that riki peeked me.

dorian78 - did you leave a clear peek?
Slendy - did you leave a clear peek?
fontisian - did you leave a clear peek?
TehBankertin - did you leave a clear peek?
Achromatic - did you leave a clear peek?
road - did you leave a clear peek?

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06-20-2015 , 08:55 PM

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fontisian

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I peaked DosEspana D1, because I'm secretly the backup seer.

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06-20-2015 , 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bhuber2010

I always do. I had riki as green day 1.

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06-20-2015 , 09:01 PM

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I was also working towards a n2 slendy green based on his EoD + activity the next day he felt viable, I did actually leave that after MSU claimed in case he rescinded.

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06-20-2015 , 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fontisian

I was, but I don't really see the post the way you're claiming to. But I'm a horrible rolehunter, so.

I am normally take pride in my role hunting. I think hunting as both alignments is crucial too.

However my point is why did you have that reaction to the riki peek thing? My train of thought is "Ratchet scum doesn't believe my peek day 1 because he MIGHT know it CANT be real thus riki COULD be mafia." I thought that was why you reacted I guess I'm wrong though.

Why did you react like that?

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06-20-2015 , 09:08 PM

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riki - bhuber
fonisian - doc
TehBankertin - riki

dorian78 - did you leave a clear peek?
Slendy - did you leave a clear peek?
Achromatic - did you leave a clear peek?
road - did you leave a clear peek?

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06-20-2015 , 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bhuber2010

A little role hunting fun!

Although the cop is dead.

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06-20-2015 , 09:15 PM

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tehbankertin

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06-20-2015 , 09:16 PM

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I said nothing in relation to a peek day one. I also never do and wouldn't as cop either tbh.

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06-20-2015 , 09:16 PM

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on page 16 now, almost all caught up, you all are probably ****ing up by lynching road but let me finish reading here quick

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06-20-2015 , 09:17 PM

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riki - bhuber
fonisian - doc
TehBankertin - riki
achro - no peek

dorian78 - did you leave a clear peek?
Slendy - did you leave a clear peek?
road - did you leave a clear peek?

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06-20-2015 , 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TehBankertin

Why did red banks not hop on the cue train d1 he apparently thought he was the cop?

i mean ratchet is confirmed to be 1/3 of the mafia team that thought cue was the seer and he also refused to vote cue over slendy or for self preservation

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06-20-2015 , 09:24 PM

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Also given content today I have put dorian ahead of bhuber on my scum list (this is bad for dorian in case this is unclear verbage)

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06-20-2015 , 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TehBankertin

I had that thought process, followed by "Why the **** is he only bringing this up now?"

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06-20-2015 , 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TehBankertin

i think this is pretty bad reasoning

like aside from the fact that i didn't read ratchet's post the way you did, even if it is true that ratchet didn't believe your peek, there are a couple of reasons why that could've been the case

for one thing, i didn't believe that you were the seer myself because at one point you posted something like "riki and achro are villagers, this is not a peek" and then later you made me your peek. if ratchet was paying attention to that, it's probably why he was skeptical of your peek

and, fwiw, if your tone read is just based off the awkward way he says "your peek", i know that seer cover isn't an actual thing on ratchet's home forum, so that might also explain the "weird phrasing"

alternatively, ratchet could've not believed your peek if you're mafia with him, for obvious reasons

so, yeah

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06-20-2015 , 09:29 PM

#2048

Riki

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road left a peek of banks

slendy and dorian did not leave clear peeks iirc

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06-20-2015 , 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Achromatic

I said nothing in relation to a peek day one. I also never do and wouldn't as cop either tbh.

I always leave a peek day 1. I play vanilla town and cop the same. It makes its really obvious if I'm ever killed who my check was as cop or who is SHC if I'm vt. If I'm cop and die earlier it makes defending someone who is a peek easy as well. I feel otherwise you give away too much on games you do roll cop.