To clarify on this: When Scum get accused, they usually acknowledge atleast some of the accusations thrown their way on some level, since they have a guilty conscience since they know they are what the community is after. I don't think there's a single shred of such a 'guilty conscience' in Ratchet's responses.

Also fwiw, when in Game 5 I made a similar thing to yesterDay (afk'd for a Phase, came back 2 hours prior to the end, CFD'd a Scummer) the sole Scummioso (ApocPS) actually sticked out from the group as being the only one to describe my play with hyperboles, and overall gave the most excited impression on what I had just done/was about to do.

The two people who seem to have reacted similarly (have been "electrified", if you will) here seem to my recollection to be MSU and Dorian.

i think it's likely that all of bigger eod wagons were town

when all of the wagons are town i probably care more about the reasons people have for changing votes and whether their progression makes sense

i think they can realistically do whatever and i wouldn't want to rule the actual mafia team out just because of something i think when i'm not the mafia

because it's happened to me before

also it wasn't really last minute, or msu joining immediately after achro iirc

wtf is the point of this conversation lol

I AM SICK, OK.

I am now going to do something productive. Whee.

All the time.

Yet - I wouldn't on day 1 in vanilla. You would switch to your mafia buddy as number 2 vote after the previous lynch candidate you had your vote on throws him under the bus?

I would have switched to Smartbomb and used the excuse that Bomb's posting was erratic and more scummy.

I'd have to judge whether he's going down anyway. What about town!Ratchet worlds?

The only 'progression' that pinged me in itself was MSU going "yeah Ratchet definitely" while still finding it necessary to snidely remark "still don't like Slendy". Other than that detail, I think everyone seemed fairly clean (with the exception of Ratchet).

Actually I think MSU saying something along the lines of "why Bomb over Slendy? ... Bomb's on my list [to Lynch], definitely" should also be considered somewhat ping-worthy.

They can do whatever they want but exactly because of the plentitude of options available I don't think Mafia!MSU would join a wagon supported (even initiated, practically speaking) by his Scumbuddy without a good reason (since distancing should seem more appealing as an alternative). Dorian being Scum would be incentive for that -- Dorian being Scum would probably be incentive for that regardless of Achro's affiliation, actually. Mafia!MSU would want to see one of the Town-wagons gain decisive traction so people wouldn't revert to Mafia!Dorian.
Mafia!Achro also would, independently of MSU.

Can you get well? I'm starting to think you're not sick and just avoiding our reads date.

Catching up after dinner out.

My argument, which I admit wasn't strong, cause hey, mid-day 1, was that the little content you did have time to post was odd to me. Your first set of reads only listed like 1 townread (Banks), and a whole bunch of varying levels of scumreads on people. The mild scumread on me you backpedaled to neutral when I called you out on it. Having a bunch of scumreads early and 1 townread is so not typical of how I play as town, or most people in my experience. Would you say it's typical for you or others in your experience?

I'm still definitely not sold on Ratchet as mafia, but if he is, this totally reads to me as "Hey, scumbuddy. I want to vote with you, but I can't justify it based on the suspicion you have and the case you made. Make a better case so I can justify the vote."

Good grief. Riki's already addressed it, but it only came out that way because I'm a slow poster and you kept impatiently complaining that I didn't give you a 3x3. I started my rundown by saying I was starting with the easy reads (which implies I'm saving the tough ones for last), I said which I'd shoot and save as I went along, the answer at the end was the same as the answer in the middle, and the only reason you got the condensed list with Ratchet in it before the post about Ratchet was because you kept complaining you hadn't gotten it for real and I knew I didn't have time to make the Ratchet post before work commitments. Pretend it happened the other way. Like Riki said, this is a weird thing to get hung up on compared to any of the actual content I posted, especially since you profess to have several similar reads to me.

Did you find the reasons I posted when I finally had time to post them not sufficient? Yeah, Ratchet was close to neutral territory, but if I only have 2 scumreads and you ask for 3 to shoot, I have to pick the worst of the neutrals, and that was a hard call, cause I don't mathematically line all my reads up in a perfect line from most town to least town.

Are you saying that if they're both scum, that MSU bussing Ratchet today makes sense, or bussing Ratchet in last night's vote makes sense? Cause I agree with the first, but quite a bit less with the second.

...is Riki not a she? If not, I sincerely apologize for calling him "she" all game. I don't know where I got the wrong impression.

I think we're in a weird spot where a lot of people are talking about things by making assumptions about people being wolves and not wolves.

Lets try making some cases on people based upon things that make them wolfy to begin with not because they played situation X like situation Y which a wolf would or wouldn't do.

Well, last hour, critical moment still. Especially tally-wise, since the tally only "consolidated" to two possibilities during the last few minutes. It was a four-way deadlock at ten minutes to PC, still.

Ask me a question and I shall appear.

@dorian bussing ratchet today would make sense but due to EoD I find it less likely. Guess I should have made it clear.

Also Riki is a she just like AskThePizzaGuy. I was thrown off at first too.

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Night in 21:59:55
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	road	fontisian (19), MSU (27), Riki (39)
2	MSU	Slendy (57), TehBankertin (61)
1	DocEspana	dorian78 (15)
1	no lynch	DocEspana (6)
3	not voting	Achromatic (28), bhuber2010 (4), road (12)
1	Error	RatchetOPB (20)

Who else was on cue with you? Do you think any of them would have been wolves? IF so why?

Note to self: Kill Banks N2.

I had the exact opposite reaction. Doc is acting like he's owed something. It's a town mindset to have.

Doc and Road. Doc is town. Road might be scum, hence the vote.

This is still relevant, especially with Smartbomb's flip. If MSU is scum, where's the counterwagon? If he's town, where's the scum on him?

Also this. I think everyone voting on Banks was town, so that's weird.

My apologies - but this will be long as I just re-read from the Slendy appearance at EOD to EOD.

Vote number 2. There was ZERO momentum on Ratchet at this point. I give him Town for this.

Ratchet fails to give a defense - he is basically saying "why are you voting for me?" This was the first post that made me say "Huh....look at how Slendy did it and look at how Ratchet did it"

This is Cue saying he agrees with Slendy - I think this is what got him killed.

He is asking Riki this. Almost to see who he get votes for. Like if Riki had said Cue, would he have gone to Cue?

I just brought this out now - @FONTI - why is Road not cool anymore?

Ratchet retaliating voting. Remember how you all dinged me for voting for bhuber? There were still two votes on Slendy (Cue and Achro had moved on to Ratchet). I was still on Slendy at this time as well.

This was the post that actually swayed me and made me start hesitating on my vote with Slendy.

Yet he didn't go after Slendy like Slendy went after Ratchet. He switched....

SOMEONE asked me about this - this was in response to the Fonti tunneling Cue. I was saying that it looked like Fonti was trying to get everyone to switch to Cue knowing that both Ratchet and Bomb were town (bc Fonti would be mafia). I responded that iit was a rookie move and very transparent.

I stand by this - his night posts did not seem scummy. And I looked at who was voting for Slendy and was like "I am with people I don't trust and the people I kinda trust, Cue and Achro, are over there....and what a I going to learn with a Slendy vote right now? He is making a good argument..." <----MSU's brain

This is where I said what i have said MANY times today and why I want and STILL want to see a Ratchet flip. And that I think he was scummier than Bomb.

I take this back (the alpha part) - Slendy came on this AM and actually contributed. So mea culpa. Hence, I like Slendy now.

That the only reason you're voting him because he was on cue with you?

Road was helping me with the Cue lynch at the time.

Perhaps the wagon on me was the counterwagon?

I am reminded of one of my favorite lines from Ghostbusters.

"If I'm wrong, we'll go to jail, peacefully, quietly. We'll enjoy it. But, Lenny, if we're right, and we can stop this thing, you'll have saved the lives of millions of registered voters."

Seriously, then I'm wrong and I'm not as good as I think I am.