If you were in ratchet's position would you not be thinking the same thing?

Bolded - who Ratchet or Dorian?

When someone asks mafia for their opinion of this stuff, they tend to overthink things like WHO but never the order of the list.

So yeah, they make the list out - think about how to state they hate their scum buddy or soft love their buddies, how they do throw a town member over the ship when they know they are town, etc etc. But sometimes they don't think about the order or forget about the order. You know, concentrate on one thing and forget about the smallest details.

So in essence, and again, not fool proof, but Dorian listed Ratchet as top 3 mafia like he wanted us to know that Ratchet was mafia but didn't know how to say why. If you are ACTUALLY thinking Ratchet is top 3 mafia, you have reasons. If he is neutral and you are unsure, he goes in the "not being listed because they are neutral" pile.

I found it....odd.

huh

if i'm ratchet i know that

i'm town
smartbomb was town
cue was town
slendy was the only other particularly big wagon and he's probably town (well ratchet doesn't think that for whatever reason but yeah)

if all the wagons are town mafia can basically do whatever they want

Glad I'm sketching you out. I won't be skating through this game. I'm not that type of player. I hope next EoD you're not hanging out yelling for votes on a townie when there is possibly a mafia up for lynch that day.

I read cue as town because his town was carefree as ***. He literally didn't care about how people read him but only about how they went about reading him. Playing scummy to have people push. Its something you should know I like to do as I hate being confirmed town (damn oracles) it makes the game easier to read a lot of the time.

What do you think about MSU's play today? And Dorians?

I hate to burst your bubble, but I always super overthink the order as mafia.

Rather than respond to every point (which will build down to "we disagree. I understand that. I have no hard evidence on you"), let me address the very last point.

This is mafia. If my entire soul and spirit says there is a lot wrong with how you're playing, I'm going to probably ignore what you say. Saying I'm biased is true. I feel like you're a wolf. It's a really overall feeling. Everything you post I'm gonna read as wolves whispering in my ear unless you make an incredible point or someone else says something totally stupid.

It's not my job to be unbiased. It's my job to trust my instincts and try to turn the immutable instincts into actually sentences.

Change my feels. I'm not set I n my ways, I'm simply hesitant to change my opinions based on others opinions when they don't dazzle me.

Well mafia has to vote somewhere. So you have this info and you want to use it right? Who was okay with the day who was lax who was not worried about who was getting lynched cause it was a bunch of town. This is still info none the less. Being almost lynched is stressful but can really shed some light on the way a day broke down.

I agree with fonti as mafia I tend to be VERY careful with how I order things as town I could give a ***.

dorian said he would make a post about ratchet last because ratchet was the person he was having the most difficulty reevaluating (he said this probably at least twice)

ok

i'm gonna agree to disagree on this one

assuming this over the reason he actually gave doesn't seem like the most obvious or logical conclusion when the reason he gave was pretty believable

when i asked for opinions on his content i meant like opinions on the actual reads he's made, not stuff about whether he made reads before making his list or the order of his reads or w/e

******FILTERZZ DIVING*******

This is the list of filters from the returning wild card reps in their previous games. I've included Smartbomb's. Once I'm dead and gone this is a decent source to find out how people posted in previous games. Town should use this info to judge people based off how they played/are playing. I considered posting this yesterday but I'm kinda glad I didn't.

To find this later simply search "Filterzz" I doubt anyone else uses this word.

There is a link to each game where it says the game name. As well as a link to the player's filter where it says "He/she was role"

Game 1: Mafia were Paperblade, Zaccino and Bubbbles. They swept in 4 days. Only mafia team to win.
Fonti: She was cop She died n1.

Game 2: Mafia were Alpha, #HBC | Ryker, and Saposhiente. Town won on d4.
Achromatic: He was vanilla Town Lived to the end d4 for a town win.
MSU: He was Vanilla Town Died n2 after a mafia lynch.

Game 3: Mafia were Mr. Capps, Coolkid, Turnip Head. Town won in f3.
Road: He was cop Lynched day 4 as cop when coolkid cc'd and a group of donkies believed coolkid :/
TehBankertin: He was Vanilla Town/Hero After ****** up on the cop he pulled out the victory in final 3. His filter is not brief. Ignoring everyone else in the game and reading the game like that might be more efficient.

Game 4: Mafia were: No Lynches, Lissa2, nolemonplease. Town won off concession on d4.
Riki: He was Vanilla Town He died n1.

Game 5: Mafia were Robozerim, Chezinu, ApocPS Town won off concession on d5.
Smartbomb: He was Vanilla Town He replaced in for a no poster on day/night3. He lived until the end.
Slendy: He was Vanilla Town He died night 4.

This took awhile and is only one game some only for 1 day. But reading this through to get a sense of how they interacted as town will be valuable not only now but by the end of the game. Obviously it should be know that once this is posted interactions lose a bit of value because self aware scum would read through and try to emulate some of their townie things on purpose imo.

Finding all those links was a pain in the ass but now people can't be ****ing lazy. Those are the filters for the 8 wildcards. Town should try to familiarize yourselves with them. Note that filters only go to 10 pages of the most recent posts so mine and I think roads are incomplete everyone else I think is there. Not 100%

But that's just it. I can't make an incredible point when you already assume it comes from a scum intent. Like unless there is bang on, 100% or close as guaranteed scum found through that point, there isn't really anything that can possibly change that.
Maybe not, but I think it is your job, as town, to be as objective as you can in your analysis and to try and separate bias from fact.
I'm not getting that impression. I'd rather you come up with something solid against me that goes beyond gut feelings and warped interpretations.

I'm going to get food and eat and stuff. I'll be around though need to catch up on some work I was procrastinating.

have you read some of his past games (if you have time)?

he linked them on the last page i think

like it's w/e if you dislike the way he plays, but it doesn't make him a wolf if he always plays like that

My two pics when I did a 3 X 3 - Dorian and Road (see below)

I don't see ALL three mafia on Smartbomb. But definitely an additional one. I picked Dorian over Riki because they just seemed to pat each other on the back several times during the day phase saying they were ok with each other.

My thought process, thus far - I swear I won't tunnel vision, today has been "What if Ratchet flips mafia?"

Right, ok.

Can you explain why you're townreading Achromatic better? And maybe vote for Road with me.

Really? I find people don't. Must be the guys I play with.

the filter links don't work for me lol

Archo flipped to Ratchet when he could have stayed on Slendy. Why?

No reason for mafia Achro to flip and listen to Slendy. I believe he was the second one to do so.

Which ones? I'm clicking through and they're working for me.

I can vote Road

You do love demanding people's votes, don't you? LOL

like none of them

i get "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Oh nvm **** me game 4 and 5 work the first three dont. Aids.

Votes from post 1122 to post 1348
Night in 23:59:54
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	road	fontisian (10), MSU (25)
1	MSU	Slendy (43)
1	DocEspana	dorian78 (14)
1	Slendy	TehBankertin (40)
1	no lynch	DocEspana (6)
4	not voting	Achromatic (20), bhuber2010 (4), Riki (31), road (12)
1	Error	RatchetOPB (19)

I'll make an updated one. They were working when I was in preview blargh.