Town typically do not have to try and replicate town. It comes naturally, as it really should do. In this specific case though, with the ammount of activity and difference in styles and approaches and ideas on Mafia, as well as considering what we are ultimately playing for, it makes sense that some will make a conscious effort to play towards their town meta as best they can. I don't follow your second point, care to elaborate on that?

Not at the moment. I just want the dead to be remembered. Maybe they'll bring me luck.

I see you don't get what he means interesting.

I'm more fun to talk to than cue. So talk to me if you could.

You will need lots of it to misslynch me

It means there's 1 power role and it seems like you're searching for it, notifying your teammates in case they can sway the lynch toward that person and come off distanced from you while doing so.

I just think your reads are too easy. Not necessarily a bad thing on Day 1, just something I'm noting as you seem to be buddying people I think are likely town. I'm not usually so open about these things, but I think you have influence and if you are scum, will be incredibly hard to lynch. So I'm planting my seeds early. Just in case.

why would this being a different forum with different people affect his like, logic or reasoning or w/e?

i don't see how they need to work any harder than town does to justify their town reads

the only difference is that they know from the start who the town are while the town doesn't

i think people tend to overexplain themselves when they're fabricating a read, and they don't exactly need to fabricate a town read on a town player

i said what i thought he was doing in the next sentence, which i think you forgot to respond to

but to say it again, he popped in after an hour to make a townread on achro who most people probably already agreed was town at the time

like it wasn't anything new or exciting

out of all the types of reads that a mafia might want to go to some length to fabricate, a consensus town read on a town player is probably pretty low on the list

Oh you're one of those guys who thinks your way of playing is the only way and lynches people on principle.

yeah right

completely ignoring dorian's post on the matter. Like I may have scumread Dorian but he was right yo and it'll do you good to listen to other people instead of coming in with this.

You are probably the most bearable gimmick I've seen in a long while.

I don't believe anyone said it was wolfy. We just wanted you to join the party, but sure if you considered our lamentations about you not in the game wolfy that's on you, I guess?

I read all of the games but by this point I've forgotten Games 1 and 2.

mhm. Basically my view.

I give you a solid 6/10 for having people's names in your post but not actually saying why they're scum or not and just talking about how they play

ok you're cool yay day 1 cases being stupid unvote you are going to be one of the better players itg I see. This sort of post is what I'd see as more consistent with being townie with a mindset such as yours.

this has been brought up but this is also verbal fluff that also missed the point of the reason why I claimed town first post. Three whole posts and you missed the reason why. I mean reading is hard I should know but you're going places definitely

I struggle with voting Doc because everything I've seen so far has been null and in the end I see only reasons to vote on him based on personality. Would you not agree that people regardless of alignment contradict themselves especially when it's in regards to their own play vs others?

this is your one specific feel about individual players so far and you've used it to call me bad, not indicative of alignment. Are there other people in the game or

this isn't a post with reads either what is your opinion on the state of the game and not how the game should be played I think you had one vote on Banks after this? Iirc?

Chris pls

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Quick skim notes above.

so you're basically voting him out of fear?

I cant say too much on this. I don't know how he played Game 2, and with me not following it live I doubt I'd really get a great idea (I find I get more out of games ongoing rather than reading games already done with). It's a valid enough read I suppose, for Day 1 at least, If I had to pick, I agree with the colour as well, but that's on my gut feeling for Arch.
I disagree with this read (unless you are telling the truth about the peek, obviously). Not that Riki isn't asking questions and whatnot, but I don't think anything in there is worthy of a townread from me personally.
I disagree entirely here. It relies too much on an assumption for my liking, and confident scum play isn't exactly a commodity given the strength of the playing field I'd wager. I also have Cue at lean scum down to his posts and the general cocky attitude in them, although only a light lean.
Another one I disagree with the reasoning on. I don't have enough to have a decent read on Bhuber so far, and while I'd pick town if I needed to, I don't think it's enough to worth mentioning personally.
I'm not sure how you can be more hesitant on a read based on actual play in the game compared to a read based on a largely baseless assumption and a read based on a joke, if your reasoning is to be taken literally.
I agree with this one, it's well-reasoned. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt seeing as we still have a good day left, but if his level doesn't improve my vote will be making its way over to him.
Fair point, I guess, not much to say on this one. I find it to be reasonably argued, at least.

So overall, while I don't agree with a lot of them, I think most are valid points. There are just a few reads in there I think are stretching and/or weakly-reasoned.

I have a tendency to die early on. I don't think my vote will do anything, but hopefully it will be noted. I do a lot out of fear. It's one of my base motivators.

You're not explaining this point at all. Where in my post am I rolefishing? In fact, I don't believe I've so much as even mentioned the cop so far, so this doesn't seem to have any base here.

I agree with this. Cue's vote kind of took me by surprise too. I see I've been ninja'd with her reason, but I still should go back and see if it came from anywhere or not.

I didn't see anything that stuck out at first in what he bolded out of fonti's posts. Going back, the only thing I notice is that several of those sections seem to use conditional language, like "probably," "could have been," etc... I don't know if that's what he's noticing, and if it is, I'm not sure it says much. People use that kind of language often because talking in certainties is an invitation to be accused as mafia.

Echoing everyone when I ask is this a joke vote or

Blargh reading is hard

Sorry, cue! HIS reason. That's what you get for posting a picture of a woman in your bio.

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While I am surely delusional at the best of times, I am not quite imagining statements just yet.

I haven't remembered anything MSU has done so far which is probably a bad sign. I thought he was suspicious for a little bit when we played together though so I'll wait for the day to pan out more before I grow too concerned, have to remember what flagged a false positive last time and make sure I don't repeat that mistake.

This... is actually not my experience, no. Generally when people say they play a certain way I hold them to that.

Oh this is less fun than I thought. Continue onward though.

Because his logic and reason would be affected by meta? Things he finds scummy might be considered differently, affecting his logic further? It's completely different, and certain to affect his play, or anyone's not used to this format.
How so? They need to lie, manipulate and falsify information. More to the point, they have to make it appear like they think something but do not already know it as fact. So of course they have to work harder, at the very least they have to be on their toes more when making reads, which in turn means they have to work harder.
You make it sound like that isn't a huge difference. It is. They are coming from an entirely different perspective - town are looking for scum, and will notice people offering posts that look town, whereas scum need to try and blend into the Town, and so it might be less obvious to them because they are reading it differently. That's just one of many affects from the difference.
They do to an extent. They need to fabricate the read to make it look like a read and not a confirmation of them being town. They need to make it look like they think someone is town, not that they know.
Mind quoting it back if you can, if you feel you want me to respond to it? I may have missed it (unlikely).
Could that not imply him looking to blend in to what most people agreed on, while looking like he wasn't just going along with the flow (so he offered a weaker reason)?
Perhaps, but that doesn't have to make a difference.
I don't agree. Those reads allow scum to go along with the flow, but obviously doing so is scummy, so they have to look like they are looking at it through the eyes of town. The last thing they want is attention thrown onto them for bandwagonning and parroting, no?

i think it's interesting that you call out msu for having very surface level reasoning and then call dorian one of the better players itg even though i felt his reads were pretty surface level as well

not that i was expecting like amazing reads or anything given how early it was in the game or what dorian has said his site meta for day 1 is like, but yea

like you're not the only one either, so maybe i'm just weird idk

Something in Banker's favor, not a huge weight but something I am keeping in mind, is scum don't usually so recklessly post as he has. He would need to be very confident in his scum game to post with such impunity because obviously the more he posts the more chances he has to make errors.

From where I'm from, using vague language is a scum tell as well, so there is that to consider to boot.

i use multiple of these in like every sentence i post so gg

@Riki: MSU's post I called him out on had no reads, dorian's post had. I haven't taken into account his actual reads post.

@Achromatic: oh that I read that as nonserious

Hes saying what you said could be a signal like "hey look this dude is emulating his town game" but scum knows hes town so the only person trying to emulate vt play that isn't vt would be the cop. Thus pointing this out is anti-town.

(the computer at work auto corrected my misstype of emulating to immolating lol)