The 2015 Mafia Championship: Game 6
Town typically do not have to try and replicate town. It comes naturally, as it really should do. In this specific case though, with the ammount of activity and difference in styles and approaches and ideas on Mafia, as well as considering what we are ultimately playing for, it makes sense that some will make a conscious effort to play towards their town meta as best they can. I don't follow your second point, care to elaborate on that?
Not at the moment. I just want the dead to be remembered. Maybe they'll bring me luck.
Town typically do not have to try and replicate town. It comes naturally, as it really should do. In this specific case though, with the ammount of activity and difference in styles and approaches and ideas on Mafia, as well as considering what we are ultimately playing for, it makes sense that some will make a conscious effort to play towards their town meta as best they can. I don't follow your second point, care to elaborate on that?
I'm more fun to talk to than cue. So talk to me if you could.
You will need lots of it to misslynch me
Town typically do not have to try and replicate town. It comes naturally, as it really should do. In this specific case though, with the ammount of activity and difference in styles and approaches and ideas on Mafia, as well as considering what we are ultimately playing for, it makes sense that some will make a conscious effort to play towards their town meta as best they can. I don't follow your second point, care to elaborate on that?
I just think your reads are too easy. Not necessarily a bad thing on Day 1, just something I'm noting as you seem to be buddying people I think are likely town. I'm not usually so open about these things, but I think you have influence and if you are scum, will be incredibly hard to lynch. So I'm planting my seeds early. Just in case.
I think that would go without saying though. Everyone, particularly those not used to these levels of activity and not familiar with anyone else, is going to have to change their standard play.
I think he's attempting to replicate his town meta, but that, in this context, doesn't make him scum. I suppose if I had to pick where I lean there, I'd say he was town trying hard to appear as town, and I acknowledge that replicating meta is something you would find scum doing as opposed to town.
I think he's attempting to replicate his town meta, but that, in this context, doesn't make him scum. I suppose if I had to pick where I lean there, I'd say he was town trying hard to appear as town, and I acknowledge that replicating meta is something you would find scum doing as opposed to town.
the only difference is that they know from the start who the town are while the town doesn't
i think people tend to overexplain themselves when they're fabricating a read, and they don't exactly need to fabricate a town read on a town player
i said what i thought he was doing in the next sentence, which i think you forgot to respond to
but to say it again, he popped in after an hour to make a townread on achro who most people probably already agreed was town at the time
like it wasn't anything new or exciting
out of all the types of reads that a mafia might want to go to some length to fabricate, a consensus town read on a town player is probably pretty low on the list
Morning everyone. I work a lot of nights this week (did have the weekend off though) so predict a lot of early morning and middle of the night talking from me and then dead silence mid day as I sleep.
Just getting up now actually and red through the thread. Already love all of you.... which is to say that any of you who cannot prove to have good logical reasoning and a willingness to kill to learn more will end up on my sh*t list.
Going to go get prepped for the day and then chat witg you guys a bit.
But honest question, in what world is saying "glad I'm a villager" day 1 not the most amateur wolf tell ever? In my world that's an auto lynch just for either being that stupid of a newbie or for making a "meta" joke as a veteran that no one really appreciates.
I am giving half of the benefit of the doubt that that sort of light hearted shenanigans is more acceptable where he comes from. But I fully believe "WW (mafia) is serious business"
Just getting up now actually and red through the thread. Already love all of you.... which is to say that any of you who cannot prove to have good logical reasoning and a willingness to kill to learn more will end up on my sh*t list.
Going to go get prepped for the day and then chat witg you guys a bit.
But honest question, in what world is saying "glad I'm a villager" day 1 not the most amateur wolf tell ever? In my world that's an auto lynch just for either being that stupid of a newbie or for making a "meta" joke as a veteran that no one really appreciates.
I am giving half of the benefit of the doubt that that sort of light hearted shenanigans is more acceptable where he comes from. But I fully believe "WW (mafia) is serious business"
fun you're the third of fourth person to say that.
I think one thing about this game is that all the wild card people in this game (I think) Were town in previous games + the new folks so statistically we should have a healthy amount of good town players here which is really exciting. I wonder if stuff like that means that slendy is dead wolf walking or false tells.
I think one thing about this game is that all the wild card people in this game (I think) Were town in previous games + the new folks so statistically we should have a healthy amount of good town players here which is really exciting. I wonder if stuff like that means that slendy is dead wolf walking or false tells.
Literally anything but a tell. ANYTHING but that. The working assumption is everyone will claim villager. Actually openly claiming it is viewed as a severe decorum breach and faux pas. You role reveal if your back is to a corner or, in more complex games, you're in an open chatting relationship witg someone else and you use role reveal as a bargaining chip to gain more trust. Openly saying anything of strategic value day 1 *feels* like a lie. Whether it is or not is less relevant. And if your allegiance feels like a lie, that's bad.
Once I have walked my dog I will be able to be here for several hours.
A few notes before I do anything more than just search my name:
I find it kind of weird that saying good morning could be seen as wolfy, and the person who said this then follows up as if it is some great big alignment thing why at 8:30 in the morning (or so) I might not have time to be readily available. I don't know if this is a good or bad weird yet, but it's for sure weird. Bankertin was the man, for reference.
I won my putt putt game and established dominance over my 5 year old nephew and 6 year old niece. They were totally demoralized.
Quick question to come back to: who among the wild cards read the other games?
Be back soon.
A few notes before I do anything more than just search my name:
I find it kind of weird that saying good morning could be seen as wolfy, and the person who said this then follows up as if it is some great big alignment thing why at 8:30 in the morning (or so) I might not have time to be readily available. I don't know if this is a good or bad weird yet, but it's for sure weird. Bankertin was the man, for reference.
I won my putt putt game and established dominance over my 5 year old nephew and 6 year old niece. They were totally demoralized.
Quick question to come back to: who among the wild cards read the other games?
Be back soon.
I read all of the games but by this point I've forgotten Games 1 and 2.
Hi everybody! Sorry, I thought I posted this before my morning meeting. Damn work getting in the way of good mafia-ing.
Here are all my feelings right now....
Banks talks a lot. Talking alot for the sake of talking can be good in getting stuff out or it can be scum trying to much up the boards with nonsense. Nothing definitive yet as a read but it stood out to me.
Slendy's "Once I've seen more posts from you" post bothers me and intrigues me. It's a very "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. I dunno - could be good strategy but it is not something I would do. Maybe it's because I am more cautious of my vote within the first 2 hours that the game is open and I want to get a sense of how people are posting? But the answer to "Why are you voting for me?" is awesome if it works.
still digesting others but those are the two that immediately stood out for comment.
Here are all my feelings right now....
Banks talks a lot. Talking alot for the sake of talking can be good in getting stuff out or it can be scum trying to much up the boards with nonsense. Nothing definitive yet as a read but it stood out to me.
Slendy's "Once I've seen more posts from you" post bothers me and intrigues me. It's a very "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. I dunno - could be good strategy but it is not something I would do. Maybe it's because I am more cautious of my vote within the first 2 hours that the game is open and I want to get a sense of how people are posting? But the answer to "Why are you voting for me?" is awesome if it works.
still digesting others but those are the two that immediately stood out for comment.
You're saying that me questioning why Slendy voted for me is why you're scumreading me? I mean, he obviously voted me for a reason, and I can do nothing to address that reason if he doesn't tell me what it is. People apparently disagree on whether or not it's a good idea for him to keep the reason to himself.
As for being right and doing nothing else...well, sorry you dislike it, but it's definitely my playstyle in the early game. I'm very much not used to giving out thoughts on other players so early, but if you want my thoughts, here they are.
Banks - posting like his usual self according to most people. It's a fairly aggressive-but-polite town approach, he was town the last game he did this, I have no reason to think otherwise yet.
slendy - all game 5 (once he was active), pushed hard on people I considered easy targets. All game, I thought it was super-scummy because it's a tactic I see mafia use a lot, despite everyone eventually thinking he was the towniest town left. I dislike the tactic, but given he likes using it as town, that's a point in his favor that he's playing the same way again.
Smartbomb -
Riki beat me to it. He joined game 5 after there was plenty to discuss, and that's a very different situation. I can see how some people are noticing the difference, but I think that difference is because of the different situations. I was starting to lean innocent on him, but him dropping a second vote on me is making me reconsider my initial impression, though.
fontisian - It would be easy for me to townread her for being (I think) the only one so far to townread me. I'll have to see how the votes play out today before I try to make a slightly more informed and less gut-based decision here.
cue - not a huge fan of the posting style so far, but so many people on here equate a dislike of posting/play style with scummy, and that's BS. Especially when playing with people who you aren't familiar with.
As for being right and doing nothing else...well, sorry you dislike it, but it's definitely my playstyle in the early game. I'm very much not used to giving out thoughts on other players so early, but if you want my thoughts, here they are.
Banks - posting like his usual self according to most people. It's a fairly aggressive-but-polite town approach, he was town the last game he did this, I have no reason to think otherwise yet.
slendy - all game 5 (once he was active), pushed hard on people I considered easy targets. All game, I thought it was super-scummy because it's a tactic I see mafia use a lot, despite everyone eventually thinking he was the towniest town left. I dislike the tactic, but given he likes using it as town, that's a point in his favor that he's playing the same way again.
Smartbomb -
Riki beat me to it. He joined game 5 after there was plenty to discuss, and that's a very different situation. I can see how some people are noticing the difference, but I think that difference is because of the different situations. I was starting to lean innocent on him, but him dropping a second vote on me is making me reconsider my initial impression, though.
fontisian - It would be easy for me to townread her for being (I think) the only one so far to townread me. I'll have to see how the votes play out today before I try to make a slightly more informed and less gut-based decision here.
cue - not a huge fan of the posting style so far, but so many people on here equate a dislike of posting/play style with scummy, and that's BS. Especially when playing with people who you aren't familiar with.
Why would anyone claim wolf? Just as a sarcastic joke? In order for that to be a sarcastic joke that works you need to already have a community that accepts people openly saying "Yay I'm a villager" as their first post. My community doesn't have the time for that foolishness. Here is why.
Post 1: Yay I'm a villager
2: Yay I'm a vilager
3: woopie I'm a villager
4: I'm a villager too, what are the odds?
5: five villagers in a row here!
6: vullager, checking in
7: annoying.gif villagers like me are care free and post gigs
8: better break out a cop outfit, a tribal head dress and some leather chaps cause I'm part of the village people
9: sorry I'm late to the game, but I just read my villager PM
10: ¡soy un villagro!
11: know who is not a wolf? This villager
12: villager, checking in
13: wow. All 13 of us are villagers. Gonna be a simple game, huh.
Saying you're a villager is a pointless exercise in wasting everyone's time reading something completely devoid of strategic value. It simply increases your post count and tells nothing, not even personality. At least where I come from, where every one has realized that it equates to nothing but verbal fluff, we all agree it's pointless and don't do it. So it's turned the other way where I am and since no one does it, we can use anyone who does as an example of newbies over eager to sell villagerness.
Post 1: Yay I'm a villager
2: Yay I'm a vilager
3: woopie I'm a villager
4: I'm a villager too, what are the odds?
5: five villagers in a row here!
6: vullager, checking in
7: annoying.gif villagers like me are care free and post gigs
8: better break out a cop outfit, a tribal head dress and some leather chaps cause I'm part of the village people
9: sorry I'm late to the game, but I just read my villager PM
10: ¡soy un villagro!
11: know who is not a wolf? This villager
12: villager, checking in
13: wow. All 13 of us are villagers. Gonna be a simple game, huh.
Saying you're a villager is a pointless exercise in wasting everyone's time reading something completely devoid of strategic value. It simply increases your post count and tells nothing, not even personality. At least where I come from, where every one has realized that it equates to nothing but verbal fluff, we all agree it's pointless and don't do it. So it's turned the other way where I am and since no one does it, we can use anyone who does as an example of newbies over eager to sell villagerness.
Says his community doesn't have time for foolishness, literally makes a fluff post that has no probative value in the pursuit of finding scum. I mean I don't mind fluffy posts, I make a lot of them personally because I am a bit of a silly duck, but being all like "blah blah pointless blah blah" and then making this post which doesn't really matter because the person he is talking to basically said it's null, and then this post also says it is null, so yeah. This is a waste of a post disguised as content time to vote this guy.
##vote: DocEspana
##vote: DocEspana
Feels like the start of culture of vapid posts which tell me nothing.
I don't care if what he said is truth or lie (right now). If all he says is fluff without teeth (and honestly it's way too early to actually determine that) now THAT is a mafia/wolf move. Right now though, he is just doing things that drive me crazy from a strategic POV. But that could be cultural.
I don't care if what he said is truth or lie (right now). If all he says is fluff without teeth (and honestly it's way too early to actually determine that) now THAT is a mafia/wolf move. Right now though, he is just doing things that drive me crazy from a strategic POV. But that could be cultural.
Thoughts before I do call it a day and get my sleep in. (nice thing about long day rounds, I can actually sleep and work and not worry about missing most of the round).
I went through trying to see if anyone gave away too much in their profile. Not really. Personally it feels like only achromatic, myself, and dorian really said much of anything actually of worth for me trying to learn if theyre being different. But I want to sort of point out that as much as it kills me to say this, looks like achromatic is playing according to his usual if his self description is right. Sort of takes away the joy of going after the person questioning your play the most.
Well I'll see you all in a handful of hours, probably more active in the middle of the (EST) night.
I went through trying to see if anyone gave away too much in their profile. Not really. Personally it feels like only achromatic, myself, and dorian really said much of anything actually of worth for me trying to learn if theyre being different. But I want to sort of point out that as much as it kills me to say this, looks like achromatic is playing according to his usual if his self description is right. Sort of takes away the joy of going after the person questioning your play the most.
Well I'll see you all in a handful of hours, probably more active in the middle of the (EST) night.
Chris pls
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Quick skim notes above.
I just think your reads are too easy. Not necessarily a bad thing on Day 1, just something I'm noting as you seem to be buddying people I think are likely town. I'm not usually so open about these things, but I think you have influence and if you are scum, will be incredibly hard to lynch. So I'm planting my seeds early. Just in case.
Archomatic seems to be game solving and confident in himself. I feel like this is a mirror of his town game from game 2. I know he was confident and wanted to be here I was surprised by his entrance but I believe he was sincere in beating children at putt putt and has sense impressed me.
Fonti I think is wrong on a couple of things but I feel like she is actively hunting for scum, she wants to get a lynch on someone she is ready to fight and battle for it. I think if she is scum it will be apparent who she is fighting for. From my video mafia experience she is play a LOT like her town game but it is different from her town game on forum so I'm most hesitant about this read.
MSU is giving softball reads and essentially just checking in posts. It seems like he wants to be noted but not noticed. This is a huge scum tell imo. Someone who wants to just slip through the cracks and make it through the day. His concern doesn't seem to be finding a lynch.
So overall, while I don't agree with a lot of them, I think most are valid points. There are just a few reads in there I think are stretching and/or weakly-reasoned.
I have a tendency to die early on. I don't think my vote will do anything, but hopefully it will be noted. I do a lot out of fear. It's one of my base motivators.
You're not explaining this point at all. Where in my post am I rolefishing? In fact, I don't believe I've so much as even mentioned the cop so far, so this doesn't seem to have any base here.
I didn't see anything that stuck out at first in what he bolded out of fonti's posts. Going back, the only thing I notice is that several of those sections seem to use conditional language, like "probably," "could have been," etc... I don't know if that's what he's noticing, and if it is, I'm not sure it says much. People use that kind of language often because talking in certainties is an invitation to be accused as mafia.
Echoing everyone when I ask is this a joke vote or
Blargh reading is hard
Sorry, cue! HIS reason. That's what you get for posting a picture of a woman in your bio.
I don't believe anyone said it was wolfy. We just wanted you to join the party, but sure if you considered our lamentations about you not in the game wolfy that's on you, I guess?
While I am surely delusional at the best of times, I am not quite imagining statements just yet.
I haven't remembered anything MSU has done so far which is probably a bad sign. I thought he was suspicious for a little bit when we played together though so I'll wait for the day to pan out more before I grow too concerned, have to remember what flagged a false positive last time and make sure I don't repeat that mistake.
I struggle with voting Doc because everything I've seen so far has been null and in the end I see only reasons to vote on him based on personality. Would you not agree that people regardless of alignment contradict themselves especially when it's in regards to their own play vs others?
I just think your reads are too easy. Not necessarily a bad thing on Day 1, just something I'm noting as you seem to be buddying people I think are likely town. I'm not usually so open about these things, but I think you have influence and if you are scum, will be incredibly hard to lynch. So I'm planting my seeds early. Just in case.
Perhaps, but that doesn't have to make a difference.
I don't agree. Those reads allow scum to go along with the flow, but obviously doing so is scummy, so they have to look like they are looking at it through the eyes of town. The last thing they want is attention thrown onto them for bandwagonning and parroting, no?
I give you a solid 6/10 for having people's names in your post but not actually saying why they're scum or not and just talking about how they play
ok you're cool yay day 1 cases being stupid unvote you are going to be one of the better players itg I see. This sort of post is what I'd see as more consistent with being townie with a mindset such as yours.
ok you're cool yay day 1 cases being stupid unvote you are going to be one of the better players itg I see. This sort of post is what I'd see as more consistent with being townie with a mindset such as yours.
not that i was expecting like amazing reads or anything given how early it was in the game or what dorian has said his site meta for day 1 is like, but yea
like you're not the only one either, so maybe i'm just weird idk
Something in Banker's favor, not a huge weight but something I am keeping in mind, is scum don't usually so recklessly post as he has. He would need to be very confident in his scum game to post with such impunity because obviously the more he posts the more chances he has to make errors.
I didn't see anything that stuck out at first in what he bolded out of fonti's posts. Going back, the only thing I notice is that several of those sections seem to use conditional language, like "probably," "could have been," etc... I don't know if that's what he's noticing, and if it is, I'm not sure it says much. People use that kind of language often because talking in certainties is an invitation to be accused as mafia.
I didn't see anything that stuck out at first in what he bolded out of fonti's posts. Going back, the only thing I notice is that several of those sections seem to use conditional language, like "probably," "could have been," etc... I don't know if that's what he's noticing, and if it is, I'm not sure it says much. People use that kind of language often because talking in certainties is an invitation to be accused as mafia.
@Riki: MSU's post I called him out on had no reads, dorian's post had. I haven't taken into account his actual reads post.
@Achromatic: oh that I read that as nonserious
@Achromatic: oh that I read that as nonserious
(the computer at work auto corrected my misstype of emulating to immolating lol)
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