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05-11-2015 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spruce
Well, hey again, ash.

Look, I get that you're from Shanty Town, but which side of the door, please? Inside or out?

I just love this guy!
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05-11-2015 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrdrylie
I was hoping to do a reread tonight but circumstances have arisen that are preventing that. I'll do one tomorrow morning. So without the benefit of a reread, just off the top of my head...

Lean Good:
Jr
soah
Spruce
Mashii

No real read at this time:
Kawamii
Lissa
Gnaw
notquitethere
Nolemonplease
Riki

Lean Bad:
Phoenicks
Ashersky
No Lynches

As I said, I'll have a much more in depth and thought out analysis tomorrow when I'm not on my phone and half asleep. But of all those reads, I really like Mashii and Phoenicks really rubs me wrong.
I'm interested in the reason for your good read on soah.
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05-11-2015 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spruce
I lean townish on Gnaw, but I keep flip-flopping on that.

[...] and I'd love to follow soah if I could be sure that's wise.
btw, what is it that you'd love to follow me on? Gnawazan is the one I'm voting right now and you aren't showing a lot of enthusiasm for that vote, so I don't understand what you might be referring to.
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05-11-2015 , 11:54 PM
oh lol nolemon asked the same thing

oops
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05-12-2015 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
So here's the thing on No Lynches:

In the spectator chat last week he was saying that he was going to be playing this game with a big post count. Don't remember exactly the way that he said it. There were several of us active in the chat who saw it and others who potentially could have seen it as well.

So the mere act of him being spammy at the beginning is relatively null as he would be compelled to live up to the expectations he had set for himself.

I was generally content with his posting at the beginning as he was pressuring the people who were around and trying to force interactions and get things started, etc. Not anything impossible to do as a wolf, but it read as villagery to me nonetheless.

His content after he came back later, though, was quite underwhelming. His catchup post didn't offer a lot and he didn't seem to be trying to accomplish a lot with his subsequent posts either. So now I've developed quite a mixed read on him. He's trending toward the wolf end of the spectrum, however, I've already got a nice wolf read on Ashersky and I really doubt that both of them are wolves, given how Ashersky weirdly attacked NL and then apparently completely forgot that he had done it. Wolves are generally quite meticulous about managing their interactions with their partners and aren't likely to forget about making a post like that about one of them. But of course they can forget about posts they make about villagers since they weren't sharing genuine thoughts in the first place, and that's one of the reasons that Ashersky has been trending up closer to the top of my wolf list now.

So that's about where I'm at with that stuff.
I think this is the first post from you that I've liked. Not that I disliked all of the others, but I've been getting a neutral tone and non-alignment indicative thoughts/questions vibe from most of them.
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05-12-2015 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mashiii
Oh, whoops, my mistake. I must have not copied properly. Post 137 was what I meant to refer to.
Ah, okay. Lol, I just mentioned Spruce and Phoenicks there because they had the second and third highest post counts in this thread at the time.
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05-12-2015 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nolemonplease
I think this is the first post from you that I've liked. Not that I disliked all of the others, but I've been getting a neutral tone and non-alignment indicative thoughts/questions vibe from most of them.
I don't really post reads at the start of the game. That's just kinda my thing. Half of them end up flipping by the end of the day anyway so I'd rather just try to get them right the first time around.
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05-12-2015 , 12:29 AM
yo

Anyone around

phone posting and havrnt readup
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05-12-2015 , 12:31 AM
Let me know of there is something i needto look at or respond, ill catch up propely when i get home
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05-12-2015 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nolemonplease
Jrdrylie (4) Riki, nqt, Lissa, nicks
Phoenicks (2) Jrdrylie, Nolyn
ashersky (1) spruce
Gnaw (1) soah
Mashi (1) Kawamii
soah (1) ashersky
Visorslash (No lynches) (1) nolemon, (Mashi – only by intent)
Not voting: Mashi (sorta?), Gnaw

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Not quite a fan of Phoenicks' vote onto Jrdylie. I think the extra votes tend to bother me that they should. He reads okay, the vote was to get a clear wagon?

I think I'm interested is a ashersky vote at the moment.
What is this supposed to say? I think there are a bunch of words missing and I can't parse it.
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05-12-2015 , 12:37 AM
i was looking at some things and i noticed that spruce is townreading ashersky but is also voting him?

what's up with that
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05-12-2015 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
What is this supposed to say? I think there are a bunch of words missing and I can't parse it.
Above the slash or below?

Above the slash is just a reordering of the tally.
To me, the stuff below seems complete? But it could totally be me phrasing stuff weirdly.
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05-12-2015 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ashersky
No Lynches mentioned a backflip. I disagree. I can think you are overly self-aware and not understand or like the early wagon without much backing.
I see scum i vote scum, doesnt make sense to me if you think im wolfy to not be happy with votes on me

Fair enough if you think the votrs themself our suspiscious i suppose
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Originally Posted by Riki
i can second that this is along the line of what he said
Yep i definjtely said that. Day is Only about half ocer thouhh, soyou'll definitely see mote posts from me tonifht. I wqs expectinf more activity and mayelbe someone loke banks to bounce off

But acticity levels are a bit low and especially for me today

Apologies for awful spelling and punc btw
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05-12-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
What is this supposed to say? I think there are a bunch of words missing and I can't parse it.
I think the missing word is more/less
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05-12-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Riki
i was looking at some things and i noticed that spruce is townreading ashersky but is also voting him?

what's up with that
I got more of a conflicted read from spruce about ash.
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05-12-2015 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by No Lynches
I think the missing word is more/less
Ah! Yeah "bother me more than they should".
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05-12-2015 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by notquitethere
Soah

OK. I can sort of see the rationale for this.

So regarding this:

Doesn't it allow scum to be able to easily deduce who the cop is though?

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Jrdrylie
Sorry but this directly contradicts what you said:



You consider doing something novel and interesting (pressing a vote based on competence or bio) but clearly and consciously choose to play it safe and do something you always do. This is what I'm having the problem with.

If someone else had taken one of your rationales for D1 voting and applied it themselves (say, voting the least experienced player), would you have followed their vote? Or to put it a different way, did you expect (or hope) other players to act on these reasons?

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Phoenick
Sorry, wrong link. Now that I look back, I see you did respond. I'm used to seeing names lit up in bold. I'll try to be a bit more vigilant.

You say you like to jump on wagons to encourage players to do more. Has this vote encouraged you to do more?

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Riki, why the regrets?
The vote on Phoenick here was intended to just be in italics, I think, right?
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05-12-2015 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by nolemonplease
Ah! Yeah "bother me more than they should".
So what you want to say there is that his vote bothers you but you think you might be overreacting to it?
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05-12-2015 , 12:56 AM
ok literally every time i try to open someone's filter i get told to wait 15 seconds

trying to do this from a phone is actually tilting

still wanted to do a bigger post before i go to sleep since there's a decent probability that i wouldn't be able to tomorrow, so it's going to have to be completely from memory

town -> mafia
phoenicks
nolemonplease

kawamii
notquitethere
soah

jrdrylie
mashi
no lynches

ashersky
gnaw
lissa
spruce

no order within tiers

i've said a lot about phoenicks already, i've also gotten a decent feel from his later posts. if i did association reads his interaction with gnaw might also be good for him if gnaw is mafia. i liked nolemon's reaction to the early scumlean from no lynches a while ago, agree with most of the observations they've made, and he/she is like the only person town reading me which isn't actually cool but it is cool for nolemon

don't really have much to say about the second group except that i haven't really seen anything that would make me think they could be mafia. kawamii mostly on carefreeness, i've liked a lot of the ways that soah has poked at people and he isn't higher mostly out of fear or something like that. notquitethere had some decent points on jrdrylie, his read on me seemed genuine

jrdrylie's entire playstyle is strange to me and i don't think i could tell whether it's just that or if it's because he's mafia at this point. mashi's one big post was ok, didn't agree with some of her reads. no lynches' contribution had been underwhelming by the standard that he set for himself, haven't agreed with some of his reads either.

i've already said what i thought about lissa's interaction with jrdrylie, her other contributions have also been underwhelming when i was expecting her to be one of the more active posters judging from her bio. ashersky's flip on no lynches was bad, i also remember not liking his other reads. gnaw's case on phoenicks was bad, he hasn't really done anything else

spruce is a big question mark for me.

would be most ok with voting any of the bottom four at this point
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05-12-2015 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Riki
spruce is a big question mark for me.
i'm not sure if his weird semi-roleplaying posting style is influencing me on this but i haven't liked a number of his posts, he's apparently voting a townread, and his handling of soah was weird
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05-12-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
So what you want to say there is that his vote bothers you but you think you might be overreacting to it?
Right. I'm hesitant to mark it as a strong minus because I think it might be a bit of culture differences? It's been a decent ping to note when I play on BGG, but I'm wondering if in this case it's a difference in voting behavior of our usual villages. Thinking so at the moment, because it felt like it was a natural thing for him to help run a player up and then move on.
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05-12-2015 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nolemonplease
I got more of a conflicted read from spruce about ash.
it was a pretty strange read yeah, but he does have actual mafia reads that he isn't voting first
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05-12-2015 , 01:09 AM
Okay I've thought about it and I've decided on my vote.

I don't think it'll change
ashersky
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05-12-2015 , 01:09 AM
I tried to be kinda patient with notquitethere because I sorta liked the way that he was questioning Jrdrylie, but I think we're at the point where he just needs to be on my wolf list. His focus is just way too narrow, giving very little comment on any other players. And his back-and-forth with Jrdrylie just seems so dry. At first it was nice to see the questioning but then it just drags out without really seeming to go anywhere.

Even disregarding his posting style, he just seems way out of sync with the thread.

Eventually he posts a list of some thoughts on other players, and to be fair to him he never pretended that it was anything more than "some impressions", but nonetheless it was just some surface-level observations which demonstrate very little thought on his part about the people's roles.
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05-12-2015 , 01:10 AM
I still think the fact that some people have literally said they think someone is good but voted for them is really suspicious but that would just be way to obvious from my point of view. It still makes no sense to me though
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