Do I need to read it before night? Also stop voting a villa please.

2 hours 'til lynch. Any more questions for me?

I'd like to see Soneji justify an Iso + Adaham scum team given recent exchanges.

;o

who should i vote

Hibiki

I am not exactly the most confident player. I am confident enough to use my own vote, but I don't like forcing others to follow through with it. Since Turnip isn't here I can't directly question him, so yeah I don't have much "fire" at the moment.

You and adaham are only scum if you considered him a dead man walking meaning you were burying for sweet town cred. Its not impossible... is it likely? probably not.

psst you should vote Turnip and make him into a viable counterwagon for me toDay.

thank you for answering the question, soneji

I'm trying to stay in real time since you're kinda set in your lynch can you link me to where you questioned turnip?

ok i shall read turnip then

Yeah I jumped the gun on that sorry. I regretted hitting enter just like I regretted hitting enter before I said to capps "If you ever did question him"

bleh. Work makes me hit enter too fast if the phone rings or something.

I do not have time to multiquote, particularly given I do have work I am suppose to finish today. I will simply give my analysis.

Iso's ISO

He comes in a bit troll-y and overconfident about his initial Adaham read.

I do like his questioning of Pizza's town-reading him, it seems to be from a town-y perspective and I was thinking along the same lines when at the time I read it.

I liked his analysis of the interactions between players.

Then there are several posts I am not particularly keen on, overconfident or trolling and not really relevant to the game as far as I can tell. Some references to other games. Quite a few actually, that appear more bragging than informative of his play-style.

He is annoyed his top town-reads are "butting heads". This is a little town-y.

I see what Soneji meant about possibly buddying him. At some point Iso developed a scum read on Yates, I had the impression it was natural at the time, however I cannot find where he segments into it.

Proposes road/Yates/Adaheim scumteam. Again, I read it as natural at the time, but I am not seeing where he segments. Perhaps reflecting the views on the thread?

More stuff not really game relevant. A good theory question to Banks, however I am not certain if it is alignment indicative.

Very confident reiteration on his reads, some rhetoric on ending the day early.

More things not really game relevant, not really responding to pushes to explain his thinking process.

Questioning Turnip's vote on Capps. This makes his vote today look a little better other than simply counter-wagoning.

Asks for others to ask questions of him. I believe this is more town-y here as it indicates he is confident in his ability to show his progression of thoughts. There are not a lot of responses from players and I wish I had had time to do a re-read taken him up on it at the time.

Does some team building that is mostly unexplained. His "removing capps from the equation" is a bit odd, as I believe someone pointed out.

@Iso: Could you explain how you arrived at these teams?

Long post detailing previous games.

Here begins the long back and forth with Adaham. On line that rings odd: "Do you agree or disagree that I have generated a huge amount of content since my first post? If you agree, then how can I be under the radar?"

I believe he generated a fair number of posts, however not a particularly good deal of game-related content up until that post, particularly after doing this re-read.

Albeit I dislike Adaham's angle-shooting, I agree it makes him unlikely to be scum at this point and likely to be dealt with in case he is. Hence I can see why Pizza did not like Iso's continued push on Adaham. It is the most intensity and passion of the game, and I believe it could be read as from a scum angry that Adaham moved himself outing of lynching position by angle-shooting. I am not certain what the anger would be coming from from a town town perspective.

@Iso: Apologies for not having the time to carefully read those posts, but could you summarise why you were so angry?


Iso did several things I liked early and his analysis based on interactions does make sense for the most part. However, from the re-read, it may be that what believe what I read as a "natural progression" of thoughts may be in reality a fluent ability to read and mirror the state of the thread.

I feel quite a bit worse about him than I previously did, however not enough to set him as my final vote at the minute. I am going to re-read Turnip, then re-read the cases on both. Unfortunately I do not believe I will have time to re-read road and certainly not enough time before I leave to persuade votes if I find it compelling. If I am killed, please re-read my case on road in my earlier post today and re-read his posts and particularly his interaction with me.

I guess questioned was the wrong word, I posted the case, and he responded and I posted counter points. Let me grab the links.

You already read the case right banks, you just want our back and forth?

YHeah if you want to link to the case too that would be helpful.

turnip seems like a clam and collected individual in any case i didn’t find anything wolfy from him

I can understand it to an extent. It doesn't take much reading to know who the frontrunner is though, especially with the vote counter. I did waver some then but I've had all day at work to mull over things. If you look back you can tell in my response to Iso after I unvoted him that his response didn't sit well with me.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=598

I don't need to as I don't go about trying to think about just one possible set of mafia. I look at who I find suspicious, whether they add up as scum together is irrelevant to my reads at the moment. That can be factored in once we successfully lynch a mafia member.

case:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1001

replies to turnip:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1031
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1078
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1082

I don't know what post you're talking about, probably that happened somewhere in the bits that I skipped. Wanna summarize that for me?

Yes, I'll apologize once more. I got upset. I shouldn't have gone there. I blame my slavic blood for it, but that's not an excuse. Shouldn't have done that. That being said, I think some guys have been treating me not all that great beforehand, but that's still not an excuse.

Thank you for this. Please continue to be a presence in the thread after I die.

I'm going to say this right now. I WOULD LOSE THE GAME BEFORE VOTING FOR COOLKID! Consider this my n1 peek if I die although I'd never waste a wote on him. (insert laughter in the spectator chat if I'm hard clearing a wolf)

"Wote" is suppose to be check/peek no clue how I managed to type wote lol.

i've logged on a bit earlier than intended because i actually decided to get an early night. nothing i have seen thusfar has caused doubt in any of my reads, but i'm actually losing track who scumreads who outside of pizza, banks and q_q

I just mean his catchup in general he posted a lot from early morning europe times until early morning us times. He essentially posted as he was reading. Gave a reads list and stuff maybe an iso on him would be good.

(I feel like I'm giving out homework I don't mean to be doing that I just want people to be thinking about the game so were not just all hanging out waiting for a flip please don't take it as me being demeaning.)

sorry mr.capps i’m not intelligent enough to understand your case on turnip

Honestly I might be bias against killing Stardust Crusades since joined me in the hotbox yesterday and was dank, but I just not really feeling any of the cases anyway. Can someone please like have another go at convincing me so I can see what I am missing here, without just quoting previously stated cases?

ANYONE VOTING TODAY THAT IS AROUND PLEASE READ THIS EXCHANGE AND GIVE THOUGHTS! I don't want any of this "well I didn't notice" after the fact bull**** if Iso gets lynched and isn't scum or if turnip is scum and flips later. I am going to read this myself again and reassess.