hahaha yes!

Aggression is good. Passive bull**** loses games. I think everyone here is aware that its just a game.

Adaham you dont like yates?

I like you too. We should be friends and pretend our N0 peeks were on each other then go forth and bury some wolves. Sound like fun?

How is he a bandwagoner for being the first to vote q_q? I mean I only really mentioned that scum read in passing and in a spoiler no less. He also didn't even use the same read. I don't think that his not answering my question was scummy (to be fair I don't know what I think about it tbh)

My vote on q_q is based almost solely on his first post. That make you feel better about my reads?

Are you actually gonna play this game, or ride off the wave of sympathy you've got with your first few posts?

LOL @ "bandwagoner." You are a funny silly person, Adaham. Is it too much to assume that your site didn't send a complete idiot to this competition? Because your posts have been reading as quite idiotic and I can't quite figure out your angle.

that would be fun but if I'm seer i peeked someone else We can still be friends though.

What do you make of the road guy? and lots of other people ignoring q_q upon entry?

I realize were friends and **** but I don't think abraham has been idiotic I think regardless of his alignment he generally hates spammy posts.

I don't make anything of the road guy. "Preconstructed post" is about as null as it gets. I'll let you know once he starts responding to game events.

I'm not overly surprised at people ignoring q_q. He hasn't been noteworthy outside of handling a simple question awkwardly while still not actually saying anything helpful. I think only true genius can appreciate the "what's not there" as much as the "what is there." And I don't typically walk around in life thinking I'm surrounded by genius.

The bolded part of your post I just reread and I decided that I totally say/think the same sort of thing as village a lot especially the thing about ignoring some people. I don't know why.

So we've reached the stage where the wolves try to discredit me by going for personal insults. About time...

Just to clarify...a bandwagoner is - in my eyes - not only somebody who votes along, but also somebody who picks up on the suspicions of others and follows them. q_q is right now, the easiest target around. Mostly because he's one of the few people who isn't ready and around to bite back immediately. He's the quiet guy. It's exactly that reason why I didn't say my opinion about him yet, because I want to read more from him before forming my opinion.

You, on the other hand, are neither subtle nor cautious, and you picked up a certain sentiment in the thread that allowed you to vote him for apparently good reasons. It's what I call a parking vote. It's an easy vote, and especially with rather fast paced games like this, it's the perfect thing to do for scum.

As I just said in my last post, I think it's because some people - especially less confident scum - tend to shut up and lurk when immediately pressured. For those types, an atmosphere of security is better to lure them out.

A bit off topic... but can I just say how great it is to see a game kickoff so early? Usually on my forums we **** around a lot day one because its "joke phase" and everyone thinks its useless. It just wastes time.

Hell I think you lot have been funnier than them while still playing the game.

I agree the post you quoted was me deciding that I thought you were more villagery. I missed it the first time for some reason.

Seconded. That's why I usually jump very aggressively at spam right off the bat. Banks might be able to reign it in no matter what, but for some people it can be a free pass to just sit around and do nothing.

That being said, just giving you a heads-up that I'm about to go shopping and attend to this strange alternate plane of existence called reality. I'll be back later.

You may be right about him hating spammy posts but that has been a lesser point in so far as what he's actually calling out.

In the first post that bothered me, he went after you for wanting to take on the leadership mantle. That's what he ACTUALLY is voting you for, btw. That seems silly and counter productive. I have no idea why - as Town - he would want to shut down a wolf that is very likely to eventually slip up and out himself, potentially spewing his teammates in the process. I also have no idea why - as Town - he would want to actively discourage someone from driving discussion as discussion is critical for reads. As scum? Sure, I can see why he would want to hinder discussion.

In the next problematic post; characterizing my vote on q_q as a "bandwagon" vote was demonstrably false. And I think he knows this. So his post was nonsensical - completely lacking in logic while showing he's paying attention to the game. Again, I see no Town motivation there or thought process that would do anything to actually aid in scum hunting. At best, he could have hoped that I would bite and help participate in creating a toxic environment. No bueno.

Thank you

Ye i can link to mine:

Villa/townie: http://www.pokernet.dk/forum/ww-vanilla-dag-6-1.html (playing as madsmk)

Wolf/Scum: http://www.pokernet.dk/forum/return-...ves-dag-6.html (again under nick madsmk)

It's not like I'm gonna read yours now, but it is always nice to have the possibility - also it shows that people are willing to help solving the game.

if this is what 9 years of mafia do to a person i'd rather quit after this game. for real this time! No fakesies!

But while i may make tongue in cheek posts because I am a human being and god forbid i like to poke jokes and socialize , your posts have been the definition of overreacting. What yates called you out on, it is exactly what I was thinking when i read that post so I know where he is coming from. Right now Yates has made posts that come from a town perspective and you seem like you are omgusing more than you are actually discussing. There is nothing opportunistic about a 1x vote on someone who reacted badly, this early in the day. Q_Q isnt exactly dying right now due to that, yates simply posed a rightful suspicion. Meanwhile, your case on goatdude is that he posts too much and derail the thread and your case on yates is he is being opportunistic and going after an easy target, when if you are on par with the class then you must know his vote at this point means close to jack****, and it is just a means to voice suspicions and apply pressure.

lol. This paranoia seems very exaggerated. I know paranoia is usually a townie-tell, but come on? (smallish scum lean)
I'm not used to do preconstructed posts, but since we had some time to prepare this game and since i knew that i wouldn't have much time around the time the game starts i thought it was fine to prepare a post with relevant info and imho a relevant request.

Maybe you could try to link to some games instead of ignoring my request, ty

Please see post above. I think you are, once again, reaching in your application of mafia terms. "Descrediting?" I don't think so.

Let's say I subscribe to your broader definition of bandwagoning. As far as I can tell, we are still in the RVS stage. Does it strike you as inherently scummy that I might be pressuring q_q to play better, given your assertion that q_q comes across as "shy?"

Your assessment of me is mostly on point. I am neither subtle nor cautious. And that's important because those are the two qualities that most strongly define my wolf game. So I thank you for recognizing that.

Finally, it is far too early to accuse someone of "vote parking." We are less than 2 hours into the game and q_q hasn't even responded to my vote yet. So, again, I find you throwing around mafia terms without proper application. And that concerns me - from an alignment read perspective.

For what is worth, about the old games as town/scum, i think it defeats the purpose of this specific game. Obviously we all do meta calls in our forums and Ill be the first to admit i did go to your forums and spy you to get a feel of my opponents but after 2 people I realized it is much more skill intensive to come in here with a clean slate and base your suspicions on correct analysis rather than unfounded meta calls (its not like you can completely read a good mafia player correctly from a couple of games).

That said, if you guys really want to do the reading, our mafia subforum is public anyway and i played a game recently as town (admitably not my best one so dont judge pls). Good luck finding a game i was scum though because I havent rolled scum in a loooooong time (possibly over a year)

was your entire post pre-prepared? like verbatim? If not what did you add upon the game start?

I play on Something Awful, certain forums like our game room are behind a paywall.

In regards to this post i have some thoughts.

First it seems a bit contradictory that you think it's is scummy to spam (that is, youre putting your own playing style as townie as the best (not spamming) and that it is something that should be universal knowledge - I have seen many good townplayers do the spam-thing - as well as i have seen them do it in scumroles)
On the same note you mention that other games are irrelevant (yet you use you aggregated sum of knowledge to argue for #1) because we can have a clean slate. I tend to disagree due to the same reason you think your first arguement is correct. Aw, that mght be a bit confusing, dno.

Second the cursing guy have also been spamming (if we define spam as posting relatively lot fluff..

Seems like you want to heat HipsterGoat for some reason. Dont know why, but interesting..

The resource is always available. Also I think reading a game vs being in a game with someone makes a huge difference. I see no reason not to do it tbh I linked mine becasue they were on this site and ez to find had they been a pain to link I probably wouldn't have and also **** all else was going on in the thread at the time.