Yay vix is back!! And new page!!

I'm reading yamato and taking notes of what he said, which I'll post shortly. This post stopped me in my tracks. It feels like it's the sort of thing that's too good and got him killed.

I reject all wifom counterarguments (wolves are leveling in local speak). In my experience dead players get ignored. Regardless, it's easier to argue with a corpse than with a live player who is clear.

I'll be here for a few hours reading from where I left off

Tomorrow gonna watch football and lurk then probably hard push someone an hour from EOD again except this time having actually read posts, lol

If he was a villager in that game, then the difference here would be straightforwardly wolfy. Since he wad a wolf there, drawing conclusions based on the difference seems more problematic.

On a completely different note, his goofy soft claiming re: VE seems hard to reconcile as wolfy but everything else he's done today seems pretty bad. So I dunno, I'm waiting to see what happens

I was running a very low grade fever last night when I joined and it got a bit worse today. It's been down to last night levels since around 7pm (after my first post today I went back to sleep). Hopefully this will only be an issue for me until I sleep tonight. It's quite annoying.

What has he done bad today?

Do you think VE is an outed wolf?

yamato's reads:

evil
VisceraEyes
cjkalt

probably evil
Shin Zangetsu
Kojiru

suspicion
dbmurph22
well named
Chips Ahoy

lean good
BLFG

good
Maki_
Valar Morghulis
TommyDanger

I might have misinterpreted since his wording doesn't map perfectly to lists.

My thoughts:

He says he dies early, he has history with a number of players, so I think the wolves would view him as influential. It's tough to kill such a player if he's mostly wrong about his wolf reads or if he's clearing any wolves. So he's not mostly wrong about his wolf reads. He's not clearing any wolves. I am going to give good weight to his reads.

I'm on my phone. I've already made a detailed case on cj this morning. Go read it

I don't think VE is outed but he's certainly playing today like a wolf who faked a claim to get one more day. He's been in something like pure anti-spew

Good post Chips, I was doing that myself in the side

dbmurph22

dbmurph22 has made a lot of good posts. They make sense. What he hasn't done is taken any initiative, taken a stand. I find his work to be reactive. I think he's evil.

Shats fired!

Hey well named...how old are ya? where ya from? hobbies? things for fun?

I heard your rep but I know nothing about you. Would you be against some relaxed OT chat time this late?

GO IRISH!!!

what have I missed in the last couple hours, read the thread and didn't see much movement or discussion that I need to respond to, did anyone have anything before i go digging into a couple reads I have?

Speaking of Murph, this still disturbs me if it has gone unaddressed. Not intending to let this go until he's explained.

wolfy

Ok, I'm home and have caught up with the thread. I think I'm gonna try some reads on people who haven't been payed as much attention.

I thought Darthe responded fairly well to my hammering him for literally no reason last night. While it looked like he was likely to be lynched he kept givng reads and posting while being on phone instead of fake raging out or whatever. Seems villagery.

Okay this is where we get the meat, people put their money where their mouths are

Page 11 (1001-1100)

Post 1004 has vote count
Darthe [lenC, cjk, Vagos, vix, dbmurph]
VE [maki, valar, BLFG, yamato]
Maki [STS, VE, crabby]
crabby [Rag, Kojiru, Vinee]

>Chips votes Darthe, making 6 votes
>lenC tells VE to vote
>Chips says it's funny BLFG is so silent now
>vix says lynch Darthe or crabby, Tommy, or BLFG

What's up with this vix guy? I imagine he's a supervillain that laughs like this: "FOS FOS FOS FOS FOS FOS!" Anyway, disagree with all four of his scum reads here.

>vix tells Darthe to vote for Crabby or chrisrjdk
>Vagos says Crabby scummier than VE or Maki
>Darthe claims VT
>Chips says everyone better talk about dat Darthe wagon
>Valar says not feeling Darthe wagon
>Rag says he's surprised Maki wagon is still on
>lenC notes VE is not voting to self pres
>vix says why ain't Valar voting for who he "feels"
>Maki says ambivalent about Darthe lynch, would rather lynch VE
>Darthe makes reads [1040]
>VE says he and Darthe prob town
>Maki is kind skeptical of crabby?
>dbmurph asks Valar why he voted for VE
>Chips votes for VE
>vix votes for crabby

Wagons as of 1048
VE [Chips, Maki, Valar, BLFG, yamato]
Darthe [lenC, Vagos, cjk, dbmurph]
Crabby [vix, Rag, Koj, Vinee]

>Darthe votes VE
>Vagos votes Crabby
>VE claims jailkeeper
>WN says Darthe vilage, cjk wolfy
>BLFG appears and votes Darthe
>Chips votes chrisrjdk suddenly
>murph votes for STS
>WN votes crabby

I like Darthe so I am suspicious of the wagon against him which is lenC, BLFG, cjk, dbmurph. Why does murph then go to STS which doesn't take off, and why does BLFG go to Darthe instead of killing off VE at the EOD? It was BLFG's only post during this deluge of votes. Confused with lenC's intentions here, he both tells VE to vote to self pres, and then votes for VE. lenC what was going through your head here? Vagos on Page 10 you voted for Darthe so why the change to crabby?

Wagons as of 1069
Crabby [Vagos, vix, Rag, Koj, Vinee]
VE [Darthe, Maki, Valar, yam]
Darthe [BLFG, lenC, cjk]

>Darthe says WN and Maki town, Vagos meh
>Chips votes VE
>cjk votes crabby
>Valar says he suspected VE before yamato and BLFG
>lenC votes VE

Day ends, post 1078 has votes
7 - Crabby [cjk, WN, Vagos, vix, Rag, Koj, Vinee]
6 - VE [Chips, lenC, Darthe, Maki, Valar, yamato]

I like most of the people on the VE wagon but the crabby wagon is a mixed bag. Kojira and Vinee had their votes there for hours. cjk, WN, Vagos, vix and Rag joined on later. For me, WN good, Vag had never talked about crabby before I think, Rag ditto on consistent, I like that he's wondering why Maki wagon is still there, cjk is wolfy here, all over the place, he goes on bad list. vix has opposing reads from me so far, he was the main cause of this EOD lynch madness in my opinion, so he's not gaining town points from this, but is so bombastic I'm more confused than concerned

So yamato died, he was one of the VE wagon starters... since dead players get washed out mostly, he could be on to something, or WIFOM all day. I agree that it's weird that a town jailkeeper/prostitute wouldn't protect yamato, he seemed like the most townie townie by EOD1.

>Vinne has lots of reads [1084]; votes for cjk
>Tommy votes cjk, says he's wolf fosho
>Tommy asks murph why he avoided cjk wagon, says Darthe is good
>BLFG votes VE cuz a jailkeeper would have protected yamato
>STS is back yay. He says boohoo people lynched a townie
>VE tells BLFG to shut up
>Tommy has eyes on dbmurph [1099]
>Shin-Z reappears and wants VE to die, votes for him, makes some good points (IMO) about VE flopping a bit on BLFG and being a hypocrite, says Bell isn't playing like his town game (meta based) [1100]

I like Shin-Z's return post. He is thinking about people's motivations rather than just their actions

Votes from post 1084 to post 1518
Night in 19:30:30
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
8	VisceraEyes	Montmorency (16), GMaster479 (8), STS_za (17), Valar Morghulis (5), TheRagnarok (35), Maki_ (6), Shin Zangetsu (8), BLFG (46)
3	cjkalt	Vagos (19), TommyDanger (34), Vineetrika (3)
1	chrisrjdk	cjkalt (31)
1	Bell	dbmurph22 (31)
1	dbmurph22	Chips Ahoy (16)
1	GMaster479	well named (55)
1	Shin Zangetsu	vixticator (30)
1	unvote	Darthe (41)
6	not voting	VisceraEyes (14), Top Tier Tom (6), lenC (0), Kojiru (2), chrisrjdk (0), Bell (8)

going to bed, and I was tempted to copy/paste batman's bio but: 31, computer programmer, montana, obv nerd, werewolf addict, philosophy, politics, and religion enthusiast, etc etc.

I will investigate this dbmurph thing tomorrow btw. see ya then :P

TTT you seem to believe I had reads last night as opposed to I immediately started making sure things up in order to create chaos.

I had to go to work at about 3 hours before EOD, so I couldn't do anything.

Don't know why SURE is in the post above

That's lazy though. I only told two things in my bio. I'm 28, suck at computers, tennessee, moderate nerd, laugh at most philosophy, poli sci major in college, havent gone to church in years, etc etc.

Sounds good. Laidher.

Got any reads or gut feels for us?