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10-17-2013 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisrjdk
So wn, you liked randing wolf this time or would you have rather be a villager and try to avenge last game?
Care to explain?
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10-17-2013 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by yamato77
Well, in your post, you conveniently ignore the possibility that day 1 no lynching could be standard on either forums where roles are more prevalent.

You also managed to fail to comment on anyone's actual alignment, as is clearly possible given that I, and other players, have had things to say.
That's because i do not know their alignments. VE has not given enough for me to make me think he is town/scum, i dunno how Well known plays, but i do not like him saying "lynching is pro-town" in 100 words.

You seem town. This TommyDanger dude seems town too.

In any case -- even if no-lynching was pro-town -- you do not propose it in the first post of the day 1!!!! Can't you see how the proposition is 100% anti-town?
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10-17-2013 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TommyDanger
This strikes me as bizarre.

Why would you claim villager out of the gate and lower the pool for our good specials? There's no advantage to doing this, and there's literally no reason to believe you yet.

The whole "crushing the souls" bit sounds like you're actually an evil who is pretending to want to go after evils.

The rest of the post sounded ok to me, although discussing strategy is a very easy way to participate without having to make reads, so I'm keeping this fellow on the radar.
Tommy, with regards to the bolded, just some clarification with well named's claim:

Claiming villager on this site is pretty much a token opening and just means you're declaring yourself aligned with the village. It's not the same as claiming vanilla villager with no powers.
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10-17-2013 , 12:53 PM
Lettuce werewolf

vagos
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10-17-2013 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BLFG
That's because i do not know their alignments. VE has not given enough for me to make me think he is town/scum, i dunno how Well known plays, but i do not like him saying "lynching is pro-town" in 100 words.

You seem town. This TommyDanger dude seems town too.

In any case -- even if no-lynching was pro-town -- you do not propose it in the first post of the day 1!!!! Can't you see how the proposition is 100% anti-town?
You know better than to say that anti-town = mafia. It's simply not true.

BLFG

Sketchy ****, Rayn.
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10-17-2013 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
another misunderstanding. The fact that I'm a villager does not mean that I'm not a villager with powers. I am not claiming anything other than that I win with the village

Also BLFG I disagree about STS. I am familiar with the argument that would say it's wolfy to propose no lynch, but the way he does it flows and feels more like a genuine villagery reaction to reading through the rules than a calculated wolf ploy. Especially the post about being sad. I think using "no lynch" on d1 would be a terrible strategy and anti-village, but I don't think the way he talked about it was wolfy at all.
You might be right. I want to hear more from STS. Now who do you think is mafia?
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10-17-2013 , 12:54 PM
I did think VE's villager comment came across as a bit more...awkward I suppose? than well-named's did. I guess his felt more like saying 'please believe me' and well-named felt more like 'this is what I am suck it if you don't like it'.
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10-17-2013 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Lettuce werewolf

vagos
sup Chips

but no
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10-17-2013 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Darthe
Yeah, I like to get into the psych of situations. First, apparently the vote did actually happen but that is probably irrelevant to the point here. Here is what Well Named said:

"Awesome. A vote. It was going to be pretty tedious if we spent the first half of the day just arguing mechanics and metagame. Voting is good. Voting me not as good, but we can work with it :P"


Before I get into this I should mention that I have a hypothesis that people tend to be a bit looser in early game, just getting into their roles and functions and so often they let things slip by that would not otherwise be a considerable read. It has worked so far and tends to allow me to build a quick basis for town/scum reads.

While the "awesome. a vote." bit is slightly on the glib side the tone of this entire post is lighthearted and a bit mocking, both natures that you don't often see from early-game scum. Reasoning is that early mafia is excited about a role, preparing to dig into the game, wants to set themselves up for later and so their early focus is strategy. You aren't getting that here, as a matter of fact we nearly get the opposite.

Specific word choices jump out to change the inflection of the post, where he calls things thus far "pretty tedious" is good because it, combined with the word "just" in the same sentence breaks the flow of his structure, shows that the player is relaxed and simply making a statement of his views without much consideration for what he posts. I could carry on with this but it seems unnecessary to break down a sentence simply to state what I already have with this example.
This is an interesting way to evaluate things. Early good read on you.
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10-17-2013 , 12:57 PM
Sup and thanks for the responses so far.

I am willing to change my game based on circumstances, we're all very good players but that also means that we'll be good at lying. I've found in my community that a no lynch is also often met with resistance, but it gets people talking about the dynamics of the game that are hidden, while the roles and possibilities in this game are revealed and open

I hope you can forgive me discussing the difference in our communities(not purely for filler) because I think it would be interesting and useful knowing the different cultures, especially since some sites have more than 1 player representing them and they are familiar with their tricks and strategies.

Crabby and I like to keep roles hidden for as long as possible to be useful. Scum hunting is the best, but town does not always agree on scummy behavior and results speak louder than behaviour
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10-17-2013 , 12:58 PM
It's just unfamiliarity with the parlance.

So rayn in this game too? Superb.
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10-17-2013 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRagnarok
I did think VE's villager comment came across as a bit more...awkward I suppose? than well-named's did. I guess his felt more like saying 'please believe me' and well-named felt more like 'this is what I am suck it if you don't like it'.
VE's claim is par for the course. He does that as either alignment. The wording is strange because of the different terminology used to differentiate town from mafia.
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10-17-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by VisceraEyes
It's just unfamiliarity with the parlance.

So rayn in this game too? Superb.
See? I nailed it.
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10-17-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BLFG
You might be right. I want to hear more from STS. Now who do you think is mafia?
No one has seemed particularly wolfy to me so far, but I would say there was something about darthe's big psych post that seemed a little off, or a little bit like trying too hard to make up a read. I also think that maki dropping in by first responding to someone else, and then saying nothing original is slightly wolfy
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10-17-2013 , 01:00 PM
BLFG

I read his bio. He's a wolf here.let's lynch him.

Btw, I'm using the mobile twoplustwo app. It's not bad for when you're afk or your work blocks the site.
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10-17-2013 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by yamato77
Care to explain?
We have played lots of games previously, one ended a couple of days ago. And I think his opening has been on the worrisome side.
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10-17-2013 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dbmurph22
Some sites have multiple players so I'd be interested in these players giving tips about their comrades (2+2, TL, BGG, etc)

I'm with TommyDanger who's a good chap. Tends to be fun-loving, very involved (though may take time to getting up to speed over here), theatrical, and fairly brazen with his thoughts. Pretty logical, but can easily get false positived because he tends to always have too much assurance. Usually his activity gets by this though and it's in a good natured way so I wouldn't say it's lynch bait.

Not easy to catch evil Tommy, but I think evil Tommy is assured through and through. There's a little hole in good Tommy deep down there that says "what if I'm wrong." I think that's the main difference. Pretty typical though in finding evil players though overall.
This is a neat idea. I like it. Of course, I'm horrible at reading evil-Murph so it's probably not useful to hear what I say.

The main thing to take away from Murph is that he is a creative player. Most of his plays go a level deeper than meets the eye. He is not "by the books" at all, which works to his advantage when he's evil and can be a real pain in the ass for evil when he's good.

I echo the sentiment of Murph being involved, good-natured, and quite a hilarious fellow with his offbeat brand of humor. But he'll do this as either alignment. I haven't found any glaring "this is good murph and this is evil murph" kindof things. I feel like evil-Murph is more quick to cast wider nets of suspicion to keep good's level of doubt high, but I'm not sure if that's actually true or not.
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10-17-2013 , 01:02 PM
Sorry I left but I got really invested in how madoka ended.

My input on the last few pages:
In my experience, seasoned players don't go out of their way to try and prove they're one alignment or another unless prompted. That naturally puts a few people on my suspicious list right out of the gate.

Also, you've convinced me on the day 1 lynch strategy. In the past the threat of impending lynch has gotten a few people to act out of character now that I think about it, so I'm all for it.
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10-17-2013 , 01:03 PM
So here is the situation on weekdays. I'm phone posting presently and won't be at a computer until around 10 hours from this post. This should only be an issue if I come under heavy scrutiny though and I don't forsee that being an issue this game considering my uncanny ability to appear town AS town. But if I go for hours between posting during the week, it's likely because my phone died or something.
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10-17-2013 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yamato77
VE's claim is par for the course. He does that as either alignment. The wording is strange because of the different terminology used to differentiate town from mafia.
Fair nuff. The different terminology/slang here threw me a bit at first so that makes sense.
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10-17-2013 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by STS_za
Sup and thanks for the responses so far.

I am willing to change my game based on circumstances, we're all very good players but that also means that we'll be good at lying. I've found in my community that a no lynch is also often met with resistance, but it gets people talking about the dynamics of the game that are hidden, while the roles and possibilities in this game are revealed and open

I hope you can forgive me discussing the difference in our communities(not purely for filler) because I think it would be interesting and useful knowing the different cultures, especially since some sites have more than 1 player representing them and they are familiar with their tricks and strategies.

Crabby and I like to keep roles hidden for as long as possible to be useful. Scum hunting is the best, but town does not always agree on scummy behavior and results speak louder than behaviour
Votes are the best ways to make people talk. I want you to explain why did you think it's beneficial to propose a no-lynch right at the game start? Why should we talk about dynamics of the game? Why not find and lynch scum instead?
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10-17-2013 , 01:03 PM
And that's not to say Murph doesn't know the books. He knows them, has read them, and cuts out pages of different books and pastes them together to keep things interesting.
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10-17-2013 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yamato77
So far it has been both conspicuous and unimpressive. I wait to see if you have anything of real value to add to the discussion of player's alignments.
Well, looks like we won't be snugging anytime soon, but I hope to one day win your approval.
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10-17-2013 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChampionsMod
#6 Player: CPHoya




Username for this game: CPHoya

Representing: Sporting Events

Bio:
“As a villager I believe it is more important to accurately clear villagers than it is to find wolves. I am excellent at interpreting interactions in order to clear villagers, and tend to clear myself via interaction as well. My wolf reads, like anyone's, are only as excellent as the game allows them to be.

As a wolf I believe that if the seers / variance are removed early, I will ~ always win. I see no reason to disagree with that position. When wolfing I am committed to clearing my teammates through interactions, and/or myself, and even more committed to establishing end-game options for our team.”
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Originally Posted by ChampionsMod
#21 Player: Vagos



Username for this game: Vagos

Representing: Puzzles and Other Games

Bio:



“I give almost unparalleled WIM in both roles as a gritty two-way player. I can CAPTAIN as both wolf and villager but I'm just as willing to get into the dirty areas and take what the defense gives me.”
These bios make it pretty clear there was a mistake in who's representing SE and who's POG.
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10-17-2013 , 01:05 PM
I tend to expect that evil isn't going to come out with such barbs as "conspicuous" and "unimpressive" so I actually have an early good read of yamato for his stern, disapproving head-shaking.
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