#21 Player: Vagos



Username for this game: Vagos

Representing: Puzzles and Other Games

Started playing in: 2012

Qualifications:
Vagos was voted in to act as a representative for Puzzles and Other Games. Out of the 3 representatives chosen from Puzzles and Other Games, he received the most votes.

He is also known as one of the best players from Sporting Events.

Bio:



“I give almost unparalleled WIM in both roles as a gritty two-way player. I can CAPTAIN as both wolf and villager but I'm just as willing to get into the dirty areas and take what the defense gives me.”

#22 Player: Vineetrika



Username for this game: Vineetrika

Representing: MafiaManiac

Started playing in: 2010

Qualifications:
Vineetrika was named as a consensus strong player by the previous representatives from MafiaManiac. She has won 6 MVP awards and was also once nominated for Best Mafia Player.

Bio:
“I am good at solving puzzles with very good logic sense. I categorize myself under silent observer in Mafia games, in the sense that I do very little talking but I am doing lot of analysis. I am not very good at giving clues or understanding them.”

#23 Player: VisceraEyes



Username for this game: VisceraEyes

Representing: Team Liquid

Started playing in: 2010

Qualifications:
VisceraEyes was chosen through public discussion to act as a representative for Team Liquid.

He won an award for Best Play in 2012 for a gambit in one of his scum games as well as an award for Most Improved Player the same year. He was also nominated for Best Third Party Player in 2012 due to winning a game as Serial Killer, becoming one of extremely few people to ever do so. Moreover, he has participated in strategy discussion on the TL Mafia podcasts.

VisceraEyes furthermore has experience playing on mafiascum, OMGus.net and WIFOM.net. On mafiascum, he boasts an undefeated record as scum.

Bio:
“I'm something of a WIFOM connoisseur. Having played so many games I like to think I innately understand the different mindsets that are present in Mafia games, so I feel like one of my main strengths is finding scum/fabricating suspicion based on what makes sense to a particular mindset. It's not the most accurate way to look for mafia, but I find success.”

#24 Player: well named



Username for this game: well named

Representing: Puzzles and Other Games

Started playing in: 2008

Qualifications:
well named has played 180 games, placing him as the fourth most experienced player out of everyone in Puzzles and Other Games. Despite playing so many games, he has shown remarkable consistency.

Amongst his many accolades: Voted number 1 mafia player in both 2011 and 2012 in the Power Rankings. He is not just a good scum/wolf player though, he was also voted 4th best villager and 3rd best overall player in 2012 and in 2013 he was voted 6th best villager and 5th best overall player.

Also when it comes to actual game time, people put their faith in him. Puzzles and Other Games have hosted 3 game series where players were drafted into specific roles by draft captains – and in all these games he was the highest drafted mafia/wolf. He was drafted #1 overall in the first 2011 draft. He was drafted #3 overall in the second 2011 draft (top drafted wolf/mafia). And he was drafted #1 overall in the 2012 draft.

Bio:
“I am well named. I used to be a good wolf. Now sometimes I'm a good villager. Everything I know I sponged from Chips Ahoy and soah. I'm the B team, but I'm better looking than captain binkles. I believe in the soul, the ****, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the FPS night kill, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Askthepizzaguy acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing opening the thread early on d1. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.”

#25 Player: yamato77



Username for this game: yamato77

Representing: Team Liquid

Started playing in: 2012

Qualifications:
yamato77 was chosen through public discussion to act as a representative for Team Liquid.

Bio:
“I am an excellent analytic town player, especially when I can be as objective as possible. As mafia, my strengths lie in making townies lose objectivity and creating unproductive thread environments. However, my play varies as any alignment and that's just what I'm good at doing.”

Last night the moon was full, as great and round and as most could remember it being, and the population was out in force in the moonlight, taking advantage of the light as they toiled to bring in the last of the crops and the firewood... when all heard a sound that was as from the darkest depths of their souls: a howl, not that of a mere timber wolf but unmistakably greater and more menacing, came clearly from the crags to the west. It started low and mournful, then rose in pitch until it was a veritable shriek that seemed to echo inside their heads long after it had ceased to assault their ears. Every villager heard it; each looked frantically around, hoping against hope that the others had not, that it had been but a figment... but it was real. They knew; they all knew.

The werewolves were back.

There is a 100 post post restriction for d1

Enjoy

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Bell
BLFG
Chips Ahoy
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cjkalt
CPHoya
Crabby_MyBB
Darthe
dbmurph22
GMaster479
Kojiru
lenC
Maki_
Montmorency
Shin Zangetsu
STS_za
TheRagnorak
TommyDanger
Top Tier Tom
Vagos
Valar Morghulis
Vineetrika
VisceraEyes
well named
yamato77



It is Day!

I FOS Tommy

Is it just me, or do I not see no lynching as a real choice?

That depends, is lynching the only weapon we have in this game?

No, no it is not.

Also, hi guys, look forward to playing with all of you

that saddens me

oh well, a lot of listening then

If we have people who can kill at night, then we don't need to make things harder for ourselves by accidentally killing a villager with a random lynch.

Usually day one in games I've played is where you see if anyone found a mafia/if the investigators found anything. Not sure how things usually go down around here though.

We didn't have a night start though, so with a lack of a no lynch and so many good players around, the odds of cocking up are pretty high. we risk lynching a townie or we get a couple of townies to reveal their roles before we find werewolves.

it will be interesting to see how the different communities deal with this

On TL, we view no-lynching as an absolute waste. Better to lynch some scummy looking townie and get people to take stances than to waste a whole day and give mafia night actions for free. Glad to see that it's not an option.

I will have spotty activity today, but tomorrow morning around this time, expect my thoughts at length about the game at that point. I will be quite active over the weekend should I live to see day 2. I have a habit of dying early as either alignment, haha.

I almost always advocate a lynch, but sometimes there are special circumstances. Yamato, I found your last post very pleasant and polite. It really took me off guard after the posturing in the sign up thread.

Yeah around here the game is treated as a reads game. As in, never would a no lynch ever occur d1, people interact a whole lot and the wolfiest/scummiest player is lynched. The mechanics of roles are only relied upon as they get revealed along the way, by no means as a starting point to solving the game

I'm really just waiting to see how people want to enter the thread at the moment. I always try to be objective and well-reasoned, but it doesn't always work out that way.

******

Q. Is no lynch an option?

A. Yes, it is an option, just vote for no lynch

Hello champions.

I am a villager. I look forward to crushing the souls of anyone unfortunate enough to have randed wolf in this game.

Re: d1 lynches

Chris pretty much said it. I don't think there's any reason to expect a lynch to be random either, although certainly the odds are fairly good that a villager gets lynched no matter how awesome we are. But I have seen and participated in plenty of d1 wolf lynches and I would encourage everyone to participate in today with the expectation that we can and should try to find a wolf.

One other thing, strategically, is that lynches are an extremely pro-village means of eliminating players from the game. Both because we control them by numbers, but also because deciding the lynch (not just d1, but every day) is the primary driver of the action, which forces people to post, interact, take stands, and become readable. I suppose a werewolf game in which the vast majority of players had powers could be played in a style where lynches were less important, because all the powers and mechanics could drive action. In POG at least most games of this size still have large numbers of vanilla villagers and a relatively constrained amount of killing powers and the lynch is very important. I don't know what the roleset is in this game, but I'm going to assume it's unlikely that lynches should be de-emphasized. TLDR: we lynch early, we lynch often, we lynch people that act like wolves. we win.

My opinion is the hardest part of the game with regard to finding people that are acting like wolves is that the wildly differing approaches to the game that we all have makes it hard to tell when people are speaking sincerely or not. Just as an example, around here, talking about d1 lynches being rand at the beginning of d1 is like an old-school wolf tell, given our culture, but when maki and STS talk about it they sound like they are being genuine in their opinions to me.

Morning all.

Lookin forward to playing with everyone.

For me, I've had a long-standing habit of not voting D1 because I've seen them backfire more often than not. I've played a few games here and found that concept to be totally alien. But we also have more active roles and fewer vanilla's, so it isn't as important with how we usually play.

Salutations all, your bio's impressed me. I can't wait to see how this goes.

Where I come from the no lynch debate is occasionally reasoned out but rarely seems beneficial unless the setup gives reason for it. Myself, I agree that I would rather gain the knowledge of any dead individuals stances being true and remove a liability early on than let things settle. I can't see an advantage to no lynch unless we are close to deadline and the only viable candidate claims a heavy PR, but even then it should be weighed on the merits of the plays leading to that point and the situation above all else.

Hey all. I'm totally town. Or Villager. Or whatever. Not Mafia. Or Wolf. Or whatever.

Reading peoples' bios, it seems like pretty much everyone is down-to-earth about their own skill level except for Yamato and I XD

I'd like to mention that I'm not only representing Team Liquid here, but I'm playing on behalf of OMGUS.net as well.

I would generally advocate a random lynch at this point on my home site, but I shall resist the urge and attempt to find scum instead this game. With fewer than a quarter of the players having posted already though, for now I'll leave you guys to the meeting and greeting of players as they arrive. Eventually though, I'd like to start hearing from people about who they find suspicious. For me, that's well named.

From his last post, I can't really tell whether he's for or against random lynching, in the first paragraph it kinda seems like he's against it, but when he says stuff like "although certainly the odds are fairly good that a villager gets lynched no matter how awesome we are" I'm not so sure. And from someone who says that where he comes from, considering an RNG lynch is an old-school wolf tell, I find his wishy-washiness on the subject to be pretty suspicious.

There's been some really good stuff already, which I hope to comment further on, but the best so far easily is the shark avatar stalking the sheep avatar just above this post.

Morning.

You mention that D1 tends to backfire where you come from. Where I come from we catch mafia about half the time on D1 (we play a better town game). Would you anticipate things being different here based on the new player pool or is voting still an uncomfortable notion? Also, I would argue that with more active roles that it is more important how we play. Each of those is a resource that has been balanced into the game and is intended to be utelized. That can't be wasted by any recklessness.

[QUOTE=chrisrjdk;40624179]Yeah around here the game is treated as a reads game. As in, never would a no lynch ever occur d1, people interact a whole lot and the wolfiest/scummiest player is lynched. The mechanics of roles are only relied upon as they get revealed along the way, by no means as a starting point to solving the game[/QUOTE]

The bolded is a new concept to me but I very much like it. It is more logical, as I otherwise would have anticipated the abilities of the roles since we know that they exist. Thanks.

The bold is fencesitting.