Also who are you?

I don't know what's happening here, but crabby getting pressure seems like a fine idea.

Basically I'm having fun with you and being a jackass. Apparently I'm a Fence-Sitting Fluffy Buddy Jackass.

I was just browsing at your home site and found that quote. I reworded a little and wanted to see what you'd say. I wasn't too interested in the content. Mostly for my own enjoyment, but I knew you'd respond and maybe get some tone out of it.

Now that we're getting into the game I think I'll play it safe in regards to research of other sites in case they are actively discussing this game. I mean I would hope it was on a locked access thing, but I don't want to be stupid about it for no reason.

FYI for other players, my next post about the forest of text was another quote from BLFG's site. Looks like a nice forum, chap.

Anyway, on that matter I agree with you. You can catch some more novice evildoers by watching how they don't interact with evilbuddies. The next level up of evildoer probably forces it a little bit. Good evildoers just do their thing and blend it in a nice tapestry.

So Fence-Sitting Fluffy Buddy Jackass, what do you make of Shin backing off from his vote on you when people called it out?

It hurts that you don't like me...hahaha j/k. See, I have a bit of a different view as we play very different styles. I look for the people who are willing to get in to start the game and interact and come across as relaxed as being more likely to be town. Now, if this continues well into the game, you have to wonder the other way. Plus, I enjoy the social, interactive part of the game as much as anything. It's no fun if you don't have any interaction past "this person should be lynched!'

For us, the "wolves are the only ones who dare not talk only about the game" has become a massive fallacy. So I tend to look more for the people who seem to speak only about the game and it looks like they're holding their breath with each post. The second part of that is most important to me.

Maki fit that holding of the breath feel, Kojiru a bit too as well as Crabby. The kind of posts where it's like they rewrote them a few times if that makes sense.

To me, it's more about the way someone writes as opposed to the specific topic. That's prolly a massively foreign concept to a lot of people here but ah well.

I really do like that post of yours Ragnarok. You get to be on my "liked" list.

Talk to me about Shin and STS. About VE too. Mainly about what i just asked murph and my posts about STS/VE on this page.

I agree with Maki, Kojiru and Crabby. They deserve to be looked into.

Haha glad you like. Always glad to talk about anything.

Gimme a bit to run a couple errands and I'll swing back in.

Shin seems intelligent. From the bio, looks like a rock star.

(Of course you know that there's a huge variance with some of these sites, so hard to compare apples to apples in regards to ability. The first game had some great players, but you saw that a little bit)

I don't think his vacillating tone while voting for me, subsequent reasoned defense, and then backing down after lots of challenge is necessarily an evil thing in isolation. But I don't disagree with the votes, or having him as a suspect.

I mean it could be evil but that's a not too farfetched alternative scenario in which it's a good player doing it.

EDIT

*There's a not too farfetched

So basically how I always type.

So you seem to be following the game. How about posting something useful instead of lurking? Can you give your opinion on STS/Shin/VE?

Here's an opportunity for me to learn. Fellows from other forums, in your mafia game culture, how does a "that's just me" rebuttal get received? Is it just null or is it suspect? I ask because for me, it's such a cop-out response, but in this game of clashing cultures I wanna see what the consensus is since it's cropped up a few times already.

Expect a meaty post in a few hours when I'm at a real computer.

I found myself agreeing with a good bit of what dbmurphy said about Shin. I'm not quite sure what to make of that yet. Wouldn't surprise me if one of those two was scum. STS has been struck me as thinking very carefully about what he posts. Nothing on VE just yet, that's one I will look more into tomorrow.

This is one reason I like OT talk. You get a better idea about how they talk when on a comfortable topic which I feel can be applied. That and I like talking to new people.

You came from Naruto right?

Are you saying you wouldn't be surprised if one of dbmurphy or shin was scum? If so, I don't understand your thought process. You agree with murphy but that leads you to believe that one of them may be scum? Wouldn't agreeing with him make you think murphy was less likely to be evil?

So this is where i am atm:

Town:
dbmurph22 - like his posting alot, good effort
TommyDanger - has some good points and posting well
yamato77 - meta
TheRagnarok - good post about his playstyle, relaxed and genuine
Vagos - has decent points on other people
Top Tier Tom - posting seems genuine
Darthe - had a couple of good posts i agreed with, like his tone as genuine
Valar Morghulis - i like his approach to the game. Only a few posts but they say a lot. Would like to hear who he thinks is scum though

Could go either way:
well named - saying very little, hoping for more effort. Some good points.
chrisrjdk - seems like an intelligent guy, is he usually this silent?
Vineetrika - one post that promises future activity. lynch if not delivering tonight
Chips Ahoy - too cryptic, needs to put effort if town

Leaning scum on:
Kojiru - said he needs more content to contribute. Now there is content (i think there was at that time already). don't like his approach to the game
lenC - i don't understand his thought process on his reads, mainly on STS, makes no sense to me
Maki_ - need to hear more from him, has said basically nothing
STS_za - still saying nothing at all... however he is at least participating and defending himself. must post more

Heavily leaning scum on:
Shin Zangetsu - seems too careful to voice his opinion and stick to it, backs off instantly when called out
Crabby_MyBB - bad posts that say nothing useful
VisceraEyes - meta, useless and non-committal
cjkalt - has been catching up now for over 3 hours. All he had to say was one town read that was weak.

Other people have not posted.

VisceraEyes, hey buddy, time to start playing if you're town!

Essentially, I dunno if dbmurphy if scum making use of Shin coming across as scummy to try and nudge him ahead. Not sure of either at the moment, but an interaction worth keeping in mind.

Votes from post 33 to post 392
Night in 23:00:20
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	Crabby_MyBB	well named (26), dbmurph22 (42)
2	BLFG	Chips Ahoy (10), yamato77 (20)
2	well named	lenC (13), VisceraEyes (15)
1	Shin Zangetsu	TommyDanger (50)
1	TommyDanger	Valar Morghulis (8)
1	Valar Morghulis	STS_za (19)
1	VisceraEyes	BLFG (51)
2	unvote	Shin Zangetsu (8), Top Tier Tom (11)
13	not voting	Vineetrika (1), Vagos (11), TheRagnarok (27), Montmorency (0), Maki_ (15), Kojiru (4), GMaster479 (0), Darthe (12), Crabby_MyBB (2), CPHoya (0), cjkalt (2), chrisrjdk (4), Bell (0)

I would suggest that if someone does something you consider scummy and someone else also calls it scummy, a solid null hypothesis is that the person being scummy is more likely to be scum and the person pointing it out is more likely to be town.

I guess I'm not going to call you wolfy because your explanation seems un-self-conscious and I think you mean it, and I've also liked all of your other posts that I recall, but basically you're not saying anything, and it doesn't seem to make sense as a method of wolf hunting to assume that both of those explanations are equally likely.

Excellent, I'm #1 ;D

Will be catching up while watching a hockey game, so if my reads include a spontaneous **** THE RED WINGS, that's probably why.

I get your point, I'm just not trying to lock myself into a standard hypothesis with this group of players especially since I had a had slight concern over dbmurphy earlier. Haha I didn't phrase it particularly well though.

Sorry for the late response, I got recruited to rug doctor the floor.

STS posted a lot right at the beginning which makes me feel like he was trying to establish himself in a positive light, sort of like one of the lead prosecutors if you will. He also seemed a little too defensive to me when questioned. Later on in the thread it seemed like he was also questioning reads and the importance of finding mafia D1 in general.

VE naming himself as a villager unprompted made me suspicious of him, but apparently that's a normal thing to do around here. He was acting pretty casual not long afterwards so I'm not sure.

I don't think I've seen Shin post.

Wait what? Shin is one of the most discussed players in last 100 posts. How can you miss that if you have read the thread?

On a side note, in case someone asks you about someone and you have not noticed them posting, they usually assume you find their posts and give your opinion...

Well like I said, I got dragged into cleaning carpets and wasn't able to read all the way through the thread again. I realize who you're talking about now though, I was remembering his name as zangetsu rather than shin.

Anyway, he made a suspicious sounding post and has essentially spent the rest of his time defending that one post. He hasn't become frantic though, which can say either he's a town or a good mafia depending on how he plays. I haven't seen him post enough outside of this thread to know which it is.

I didn't read all the posts yet. I just gazed over it, so my opinion may not be accurate.

This game is interesting in the sense that it started with a day and the lynching is not based on night actions but rather on how people are acting. So, STS started of asking if we should lynch or not and the discussion continued from there based on individual opinions on that topic. Based on this discussion people started reading each other. From what I have read, Well Named and Yamato seemed genuine with their reasoning. BLFG, seemed a little suspicious at the beginning but his proactive responses makes me think otherwise. I am for now going with Well Named and voting for Crabby_MyBB.

Here is my play style for anyone trying to read me. I am usually quiet at the beginning as many people are talking. Then as I gain more information based on night actions I get more involved. Being quiet also makes the Villagers suspicious of me and hence the wolves/Mafia won't kill me.