I don't have a problem with vouching for someone or telling others your town reads. I did however state that it was unnecessary. What did you achieve with it so far? Can you tell me that?

Like I said, town reads without basis or reason for 'simply the sake of giving a read' aren't that constructive. If you're defending somebody now there's a good reason. If you need them to know where you stand on them aha! Without any sort of reason it feels like buddying.

I think I've said multiple times, it's relatively thin, just tone and general eagerness level in his posts that I'm picking up on

In my experience, when a wolf is posting as early and often as he is on the first 1-2 pages, something here or there will usually stand out but I'm not seeing anything suspicious from him

Re: Chips, he's a fantastic villager and a weak-mediocre wolf. I don't have a firm read on him yet but I suspect I will arrive at one sooner rather than later. If it starts to look more an dmore like he's a villager - listen to him.

Re: VE - do you think he's been non committal so far? I kinda think that the whole non committal/hedgy read carries a lot more weight later in the game than at this stage, but maybe that's just my style. Like, I'm confident in basically nothing until I have time to start evaluating interactions and especially after there's been a lynch.

Well it's not from scum so if you could, please describe in detail the 'bad' part.

Clarity of mind, getting my thought processes down for others to see and discuss, potentially building trust and narrowing the suspicion pool if people are agreeing.

Think of it like a pre-defense. Or a "these are currently people I don't wish to lynch" statement. I dunno, maybe this is a cultural thing. It looked to me like getting on top of a possible free group-think good clear.

Personally the murph vote post reads worse to me than any of that, anyway.

I found that post to be pretty wolfy but it's the kind of thing where the proof is in the followup

The first sentence of this just sound a little overexplained to me.


Crabby_MyBB

Yeah, it could really swing either way. Evil would say it because "I really need to post something but I'm really behind" - but it could be a legit thing too. Just sounded honest to me, but it's sort of non-aligning.

No worries. Like I said, I like to OT talk.

Early thoughts.

I think BLFG and and yamato have similar styles of play but have a current townie lean to me. The way TD And VM have jumped into the game gives me a more townie feel to them as well.

I know a couple of you have STS due to his comments so far but that obviously doesn't bother me as much. If we get to this time tomorrow and it's the same, then that's an issue. And while Shin made a otf comment about dbmurph, dbmurph has made 3-4 comments I found very noncommittal.

People writing walls of texts about the option of no lynch isn't really what I had in mind.

The problem i have with VE is that his vote is on WN, he did not follow up the suspicion in any way. He did not question WN, he did not ask other people's thoughts about his case. That very not town!VEish no matter how early it is in the game. When i asked him about his other reads he didn't answer but instead counter-questioned me about my reads and saying his vote is on his scumread -- that makes no sense because my vote is on my scumread aswell. Avoiding discussion for some reason. He softly called me out for not calling him out "because i do that every time". That's incorrect. Last game we played together i gave him an insta-townread based on like 5 posts of his. And that's all VE has done this game. Nothing 100% sure but smells fishy.

Shin Zangetsu - your post to me reads as that you are not confident in your scumread on dmurph. It's either bad because that case as you put it out is not going to threaten scum!dmurphy and it's not going to convince anyone to vote for him. Or it's scummy because you don't really think dmurphy is scum (based on the insecurity the post screams) because he is town, or you don't actually want to get him lynched because you are both scum.

Murph reads ok to me so far. I don't find his tone to be out of character.

yeah dmurph is cool!

This observation from a guy on my forum cracked me up:

"I am guessing half of these guys study to be a psychologist and the other half are their future patients."

Let's all have a beer tonight and relax a little bit. You don't need to be going full blast to prove you're worthy of being here or to save face. I would rather remember this as a fun game than as an arduous task.

My work often takes me underground and out of cell service. Shall return.

That's a hilarious observation. Maybe some will be both, just muttering in a room alone.

"What should we have for breakfast?"

"Why did you say WE? What are you A WEREWOLF?!?"

"If I was, I wouldn't mention BREAKFAST, OBVIOUSLY."

Dinner then home.

Still catching up but re: n1 lynch, if it's a "random" lynch we have completely failed at getting the wolves to talk and out themselves

I see. However, I disagree. That's a lot of scenarios that force the post to be scummy. I didn't even say 'tentative'. Let's break the post down shall we and tell me if any point is a lie:

• What I brought to light was his walking on eggshells and that made me suspicious, check.
• I also brought it to light that he had done it so many times that it's hard not wonder if it's his attitude all the time, 'for the sake of consideration' when people read my reason for FOS'ing him, check.
• Then finally went on to mention that 'having taking that that into consideration' I was not swayed and carried on to vote for him, check.

It's simple 'transparency'. I'm giving 'all' of my actual observations.

If I wanted to FOS him as scum then why in the world would I include point number two when point number one can carry itself? The initial suspicion was fair enough and I don't think I would have gotten any grief for it and maybe someone would actually take the point I was trying to make into consideration. I think people rushed to judge. I can see that from my discussion with TommyDanger as even he's clearly given it more thought in hindsight.

So no. The post wasn't bad.

[used '' for emphasis because I can't bold and CAPS I feel are too loud.]

I gather you've played with him then. Is he always this way?

Shin Zangetsu - okay i understand you better. I still don't get why you felt the need to bring up "maybe this is how he plays". If someone does something scummy then it's scummy unless they can explain their motives. Are you pleased with dmurph's answer to your case?

First villagers read I have, wolf wouldn't open himself up to criticism if it went south

If he's a wolf it's a likely wolf/wolf pairing

I'm glad you do.

As for dmurph, I have very little choice. Perhaps he's sincere but Tommy seems to imply that he is always this way and people seem to have confidence in him so I'll step off.

unvote

It's beyond midnight and I have work so I'll return in the morning.

Great tarp with the 2nd post of the game, STS

Villag0rs:
Chips
dbmurph
Ragnarok
Tommy
TTT
yamato

not really feelin:
BLFG
Shin
Valar
Well named

And if anyone wants to do some #work but not really interested in going to weirdoland, Ragnarok was just killed in an ongoing game sitting at the top of the puzzles and games subforum, which we are not going to discuss.

I found his game rather interesting and he dealt with unknown players there so it will probably help you to read his posts. Coincidentally he's the one that capped me but I ain't even mad.

I don't know. Early votes can be somewhat relative. I'm guessing Shin was still trying to resolve the matter in his head, but the his current status of suspicion of me was still greater relative to anyone else.

When a bunch of different people are thrown into a bag like this there is a lot of just perception. When people come out firing I just chuckle a little. I fully believe in D1 evil lynches, but it's pretty early. I mean, I'm not saying to not be confident in reads, but being edgy for edgy's sake really isn't something either.

At this point I realize the limitations of my own perceptions of this situation with new people and know it will evolve. I'm not really bothered by Shin's perception of me, even beyond a good/evil read - meaning personality and playstyle. It's a long game. At first it was sort of annoying that he wasn't seeming to understand the same limitations, but overall maybe that's what the post was working out.

Though I encourage everyone to go to my forum and read through my games with the help of Estonian->English Google translator and report back with their findings.