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02-12-2016 , 01:23 PM

#7226

biggerboat

you're gonna need one

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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben

This is turning into quite the soliloquy. I guess I picked a bad time to start participating in the thread.

Actually, qb, I've been hoping you would come in and post a lot of thoughts. Village is sort of stuck right now.

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02-12-2016 , 01:23 PM

#7227

mucksandgravs

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I remember saying that I would never lunch hail this game last night, but after seeing gad flip wolf and rereading the night BATM got lunched, there has to be someone on that BATM wagon that was a wolf. Has to be.

So one of hail/stuck/Mexi gotta be a wolf or contain multiple wolves.

Mexi/Stuck were firmly in the lunch BATM corner when gad escaped, I was bouncing back and forth and hail was just parked on shoving. I made the comment that he needed to get on a top wagon and he eventually voted BATM towards EOD

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02-12-2016 , 01:24 PM

#7228

ano12345

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Knowing Gad and Stork are wolves, I think I might take a little look at D1 and see who is not interacting with them naturally. I find when I am wolfing I tend not to interact with my wolf bros at all Day 1, as it is easy to avoid such interactions when there is so many villaers around.

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02-12-2016 , 01:25 PM

#7229

mucksandgravs

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Originally Posted by biggerboat

You've posted a ton so I know you have time. If you are truly a villager trying to solve the game you shouldn't have a problem posting a complete reads list. We are down to a number of players that would make it fairly easy to do this.

I told you I have no problem doing this, but I'm currently out in the car driving from appt to appt trying to get people to change uniform companies and but **** tickets and paper towels.

When I get home this evening I'll have the time to do this, but I don't right now.

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02-12-2016 , 01:26 PM

#7230

mucksandgravs

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I'll get on my iPad too, so it'll be all colorful and stuff

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02-12-2016 , 01:26 PM

#7231

ano12345

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Originally Posted by biggerboat

Actually, qb, I've been hoping you would come in and post a lot of thoughts. Village is sort of stuck right now.

Yeah, I have kind of been tunneling Gad for the last 3 days. I am a little stuck too. I have a lot of thoughts and wolf leans, but I don't have any lock wolves. I am hoping a D1 reread might help.

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02-12-2016 , 01:29 PM

#7232

biggerboat

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OK, back to the tracker....

Every remaining wolf has a trackable role. Only the village angel does. You should be able to give us some info. If you have 2 live players that visited nobody, you can lock clear them. If you've tracked someone it should be fairly easy (maybe) to determine if this is the angel. You can always claim they visited nobody.

Once again, use your best judgement.

It's just that I'm not feeling good about where we are right now.

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02-12-2016 , 01:30 PM

#7233

mucksandgravs

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Oh yeah, one question that I had was this...

Knowing that gad was the gf'er, do we think that changes anything about people pushing him on d1?

Idk, I was just thinking, if I was a wolf, I'd want to put pressure the gf'er on d1 to try and get him peeked in the night.

Or does that not make any sense at all?

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02-12-2016 , 01:31 PM

#7234

ano12345

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One thing I remember seeing on D1-2 that bothered me at the time but I put on the backburner due to my Gad tunnel is with Shoving. I remember he made a few lists of a lot of W/V leans that seemed to come out of nowhere. I remember being very surprised someone with such a small thread presence and no interactions would have so many reads (with so little explanations of thought process), and I thought it was wolfy at the time.

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02-12-2016 , 01:32 PM

#7235

ano12345

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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs

If I was a seer I would never peek Gad because he is gonna rand villa and be killed by wolves D1-D2 70+ % of the time.

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02-12-2016 , 01:33 PM

#7236

tappokone

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It's a shame Ben just mentioned Hail, because I've just decided that he's probably one of the wolves I've not been able to locate and this makes it look like less of a revelation and more of a sponge.

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02-12-2016 , 01:34 PM

#7237

mucksandgravs

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Originally Posted by biggerboat

Me neither.

I don't want the tracker to out himself unless he has pertinent info and as you said, at this point I think it's likely and could help us solve the game.

Also, I think it's going to be very difficult to figure out who the person tracked or whatever if the tracker does die. Hopefully they make it obvious, but it doesn't always work that way.

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02-12-2016 , 01:37 PM

#7238

mucksandgravs

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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben

If I was a seer I would never peek Gad because he is gonna rand villa and be killed by wolves D1-D2 70+ % of the time.

True

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02-12-2016 , 01:38 PM

#7239

mucksandgravs

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QB,

Go read EOD when BATM was lunched and tell me what you think if hail

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02-12-2016 , 01:39 PM

#7240

fmxda

Pooh-Bah

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It's strange how momentum for a banks lynch has suddenly died and now people like mucks and hail are getting second/third looks

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02-12-2016 , 01:40 PM

#7241

ano12345

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Another argument against hail is the following. This is the post count from a vanilla 13er which was his first game, where him and Xander went to the final 3. That being said, most of the players in this game were slankers so it was probably easier to dominate the thread than competing against players like Mucks and Monte and GAd.

theycallmehail 388
xander biscuits 207
fraleyight 203
Zorkman 138
ShipItUp 136
IAmRobik 112
Sun Tzu 107
Shoving 106
Tumaterminator 105
AllInBluff 102
John McTiernan 76
LordJvK 65
TheBrokenATM! 48
Telcontar 36
Kawamii 28
killer_kill 17

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02-12-2016 , 01:40 PM

#7242

tappokone

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I've been thinking about the best way to leave tracker cover and I think it's correct now to post a list of people who don't have NAs. The Stuck situation shows that "not a vig" isn't a clear enough formulation, plus it's probably correct to keep making the cover more detailed the longer the tracker lives.

In any case, if I'm the tracker, Xander and Fmx had no NAs.

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02-12-2016 , 01:41 PM

#7243

mucksandgravs

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Originally Posted by fmxda

It's strange how momentum for a banks lynch has suddenly died and now people like mucks and hail are getting second/third looks

How can say something like this when you just made a post pushing me?

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02-12-2016 , 01:41 PM

#7244

tappokone

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Originally Posted by fmxda

It's strange how momentum for a banks lynch has suddenly died and now people like mucks and hail are getting second/third looks

I'm not even remotely contemplating moving from Banks.

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02-12-2016 , 01:42 PM

#7245

mucksandgravs

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theycallmehail

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02-12-2016 , 01:42 PM

#7246

ano12345

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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs

QB,

Go read EOD when BATM was lunched and tell me what you think if hail

I vaguely remember like an hour before EOD he said he was gonna ISO me. Then he disappeared an popped in to vote BATM (in fairness to him villagers Monstr and Lissa also popped in EOD to vote BATM).

FWIW I don't recall him ever giving any results of his supposed hour long iso of me.

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02-12-2016 , 01:44 PM

#7247

tappokone

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I read through Hail's wolf game and the conclusion I came to is that while his posting is maybe slightly better in this game, he can put in effort to come up with convoluted analysis and express emotions. The differences can be chalked up to a newbie wolf improving from his first wolf game to his second.

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02-12-2016 , 01:46 PM

#7248

tappokone

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If Hail is a wolf, his main targets recently have been Xander and Shoving, which in turn makes the Banks wagon from other day look quite a bit cleaner. This is nice, because I like it when **** hangs together.

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02-12-2016 , 01:47 PM

#7249

theycallmehail

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by fmxda

I think I'm largely clear due to gad flipping wolf. I may have been the most consistent gadarene pusher this whole game

I'm suspicious of spurs after seeing that he ended with his vote on gadarene several days. I don't recall him ever expressing why gad was wolfy to him. If it turns out that spurs just voted gad without much of a reason, he's rocketing to the top of my wolf list

In the meantime,
banks

Yeah, no.

BenjaminAO was the seerer and claimed d2. At that point, there was ~no chance he gets another peak off rendering the Godfather role useless. Bussing Gad is hardly clearing.

I was wondering who the first person to clear themselves for voting Gad. If he flips angel/vig/rb then you have a point. He flipped useless-wolf.

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02-12-2016 , 01:48 PM

#7250

ano12345

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Yeah, Hail posted more than the next 2 guys combined in his first game ever, and he then posted 100+ times D1 in his first wolf game (and second game ever) and was widely village read. I definitely don't think we can view him as a typical newbie player.

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