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07-19-2021 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
sure I'm not too wrapped up in that post about DZ

but the rest I stand behind

unless you can tell me why villagerAMI! comes in to the thread and immediately lock clears 3 people?
It doesn't make sense in either role, meaning at worst it should be neutral unless you have some type of meta reason to think he would be more likely to do that as a wolf. Based on my meta though if it's indicative of anything it would be of him villaging.
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07-19-2021 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
I mean we agree on Deli so maybe that is the way to go for now
It seems whenever we agree on a vote it's normally right so hopefully this continues that trend.
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07-19-2021 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ShipItUp
It doesn't make sense in either role, meaning at worst it should be neutral unless you have some type of meta reason to think he would be more likely to do that as a wolf. Based on my meta though if it's indicative of anything it would be of him villaging.
the meta reason is that AMI is always suspicious that I could be a wolf, as he should be

so the only reason he would have to clear me is because he is a wolf trying to pocket and/or he has to make up reads
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07-19-2021 , 01:54 PM
like I don't want to be an arrogant jackass, but we need to be realistic about the fact that I am a very good wolf

LB and irtm are also both decent wolves

so popping in and lock clearing all three of us is not something a good villager does

if we want to chalk it up to "loose wiring" then ok I guess
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07-19-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...819014#p819014

"LB being wishy-washy is noted"

I say "wishy-washy is villagery".

You respond: "it's also wolfy"
lmao Luckbox bringing out the Lasagna Mafia receipts.
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07-19-2021 , 01:56 PM
damn creature, deli, LB, and esooa all in that game just by glancing at the first 20 or so posts

seems like that game was a real Algonquin round table
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07-19-2021 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
this is the post i find wolfy

Keep in mind you know I’m not actually itt because I was working
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07-19-2021 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
damn creature, deli, LB, and esooa all in that game just by glancing at the first 20 or so posts

seems like that game was a real Algonquin round table

Yeah and me and creature were wolves together for the second time in a row on that site lol
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07-19-2021 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Deli

I'm good with this for now. I really don't like the underlined, but the rest of the post isn't great either. Feels like an agenda driven push on Luckbox by her, if she genuinely felt he was being wishy-washy and it was indicative of him being a wolf why wouldn't she mention it earlier? Why is it only when the subject of people thinking she's a wolf gets brought up that she brings this to light?
So the order of events was:

Deli enters the thread and makes some posts including her post about DZ, then leaves the thread

Luckbox enters the thread for the first time, makes the posts that are considered 'wishy washy' and also scumreads Deli

Deli reenters and calls Luckbox wishy washy wolf in her first post back.

So regarding the underlined she couldn't have called Luckbox a wishy washy wolf any earlier than she did since he hadn't posted yet

My understanding is that the previous game Deli was a wolf and LB a villager. I really struggle to see someone who wolves two games in a row using the exact same line in both games. I mean it's weird to do it as town too, but it seems like as a wolf you'd have enough heightened self awareness of your own wolf meta not to do it twice.
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07-19-2021 , 02:01 PM
Votes from post 3 to post 209
Night in 6:59:57

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4 Deli_ Doctor Zeus (32), A missread issue (16), ShipItUp (26), Comrade_Pupper (37)
1 Comrade_Pupper UpsideDownChuck (3)
1 UpsideDownChuck bsball8806 (3)
1 Doctor Zeus Kawamii (5)
6 not voting Charry (3), Deli_ (10), iraisetoomuch (27), Luckbox Inc (37), SomeonesAlt (0), Whysper (4)
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07-19-2021 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
like I don't want to be an arrogant jackass, but we need to be realistic about the fact that I am a very good wolf

LB and irtm are also both decent wolves

so popping in and lock clearing all three of us is not something a good villager does

if we want to chalk it up to "loose wiring" then ok I guess
Can't assume every villager is going to play optimally. You can assume that wolves will at least attempt to emulate their village game though, and it seems AMI did the complete opposite of that. So I'm going to plant my flag on probably villa for now and reevaluate once he responds to all this which I'm assuming he will eventually.
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07-19-2021 , 02:01 PM
I’m not a wolf, I’m just a busy person, but if you want to lunch me for not being present d1 of a game I didn’t really want to play in I’m not really sure what to do about that. I just hope it isn’t just villagers pushing me because that’ll be a sad gamestate.
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07-19-2021 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
Other than the fact that it's not really true of what I saw of "comrade pupper"?

It was the kind of post I always just kind of see as blah, especially when it's not true. I could elaborate more but I feel like people don't often agree with me (ironically, birdman is one of those people) and it kind of just feels like I argue against a wall for a day or so and then i have like a 55% chance of being right or something.

Effectively it just seems mildly low effort and when someone does something that something is low effort for calling out something for being "low effort" is wolfy to me
Thanks.

Sorry about the lazy quoting:

"Comrade_Pupper feels like a wolf in that they’re stoking the existing discussions but not adding original thinking. And there’s not really a line of investigation I can trace, just commentary"

I reread the thread up to that point and could see why this is a valid read of Birdman. He called Deli and I wolves just after others already had.

I thought the other parts of the post of UDC's were villagery though, so let's just agree to disagree. Fwiw I value your input a lot, so I will pay attention to his future posts.
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07-19-2021 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
like I don't want to be an arrogant jackass, but we need to be realistic about the fact that I am a very good wolf

LB and irtm are also both decent wolves

so popping in and lock clearing all three of us is not something a good villager does

if we want to chalk it up to "loose wiring" then ok I guess
IRTM had a very villagery opening, it was totally reasonable to call him 'lock clear' when AMI did, with the understanding that page 1 lock clears aren't actually to be taken literally. Luckbox was also reasonably villagery. Really it's just you who wasn't (and had you had 7ish posts not 3 when he said that) and while I don't agree with his take I could see how your tone could fool someone
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07-19-2021 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by UpsideDownChuck
So the order of events was:

Deli enters the thread and makes some posts including her post about DZ, then leaves the thread

Luckbox enters the thread for the first time, makes the posts that are considered 'wishy washy' and also scumreads Deli

Deli reenters and calls Luckbox wishy washy wolf in her first post back.

So regarding the underlined she couldn't have called Luckbox a wishy washy wolf any earlier than she did since he hadn't posted yet

My understanding is that the previous game Deli was a wolf and LB a villager. I really struggle to see someone who wolves two games in a row using the exact same line in both games. I mean it's weird to do it as town too, but it seems like as a wolf you'd have enough heightened self awareness of your own wolf meta not to do it twice.

I’m cool clearing UDC for this post for the time being

SIU I hope you see me soon, but maybe you’re wolfing and pocketing my spouse idk
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07-19-2021 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UpsideDownChuck
I really struggle to see someone who wolves two games in a row using the exact same line in both games. I mean it's weird to do it as town too, but it seems like as a wolf you'd have enough heightened self awareness of your own wolf meta not to do it twice.
maybe that is exactly what she wants you to think
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07-19-2021 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Also AMI normally has terrible tone early as a wolf as he gets his footing in the thread and his tone felt fine to me last page.
Ouch.
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07-19-2021 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Deli_
I’m cool clearing UDC for this post for the time being

SIU I hope you see me soon, but maybe you’re wolfing and pocketing my spouse idk
SIU doesn't have to be a wolf to pocket me

but I definitely would rather lunch you than AMI if given the choice
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07-19-2021 , 02:05 PM
sorry I had that backwards

I would rather lunch AMI than Deli if given the choice atm
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07-19-2021 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
SIU doesn't have to be a wolf to pocket me

but I definitely would rather lunch you than AMI if given the choice


Ok lover boy

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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
maybe that is exactly what she wants you to think

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07-19-2021 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Comrade_Pupper
sorry I had that backwards

I would rather lunch AMI than Deli if given the choice atm

Oh lol awkward
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07-19-2021 , 02:06 PM
Now we just have to figure out which one of Deli/AMI is the seer.
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07-19-2021 , 02:06 PM
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07-19-2021 , 02:06 PM
Bsball's take that my comrade_pupper read is lazy/level 1 is perhaps understandable given that I don't have a lot of evidence (thinking quotes specifically) to support this vibe I get from pupper. Maybe that'll come later, or maybe I'll change my mind. I guess what I'd throw out there is that 1) level 1 is level 1 for a reason, it is a reasonable place to start and 2) by the end of day my play will definitely not be lazy so that vote or its basis will need to change
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07-19-2021 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by UpsideDownChuck
So regarding the underlined she couldn't have called Luckbox a wishy washy wolf any earlier than she did since he hadn't posted yet

My understanding is that the previous game Deli was a wolf and LB a villager. I really struggle to see someone who wolves two games in a row using the exact same line in both games. I mean it's weird to do it as town too, but it seems like as a wolf you'd have enough heightened self awareness of your own wolf meta not to do it twice.
Appreciate the correction, I'll disregard that specific aspect going forward. I still think there's a chance that she's a wolf trying to fabricate a push on Luckbox for coming after her though.

As for the bottom I'm not going to read much in to her using the same line previously. Mainly because I don't have the knowledge of whether she says the same line as a villager or not, it could just be something she says regardless of role.
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