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11-30-2011 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy


Are you stating that the best way to play Werewolf is to stand steadfast to your day one reads?
looks to me like ur staying pretty close to ur original reads

you go and restate ur reads without even bothering to read for the only important information

425 spew

whats even the point to give ur reads now other then to say ur doing work
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11-30-2011 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
looks to me like ur staying pretty close to ur original reads

you go and restate ur reads without even bothering to read for the only important information

425 spew

whats even the point to give ur reads now other then to say ur doing work
Oh, you said "restarting" instead of "restating"

I put it there as a baseline for me to add on right after I look into the 425 stuff. It helps to have the night kill information so I can know that McAvoy is clear for example.
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11-30-2011 , 03:09 AM
Day 2: 425 Analysis
This is the primary day of analysis because it is the day in which 425 claimed seer. Most things after that should be discounted since it's all a leveling exercise from there on out.

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Loretta and 425 both actively worked hard to save filthyvermin. 425's voting pattern makes literally no sense. Anarchist caught it at the time but for some reason 425 didn't become a wagon. I would have voted for 425 wagon over an anarchist one for sure. He says the wagons havne't been decided yet but clearly one had been because filthyvermin already had the msot votes by a landslide. Loretta tried to derail the filthy wagon, it seemed like she tried to softpush a wagon on evene. I think 425 looks the worst, for saying filthy is a lock wolf (when he was in fact a wolf) and then voting for anarchist in the last second. If he hadn't changed his vote, there wouldn't have been a tie.

425
Crossnerd analyzes day one's lynch thoroughly and is the first vote on 425. It's a strong line of reasoning and quite a villagery case.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
425kid

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Originally Posted by 425kid
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
i think crossnerd and 425 had the most wolfy ends

because crossnerd was off wagon with 30 minutes to go

loretta was on anarchist with filthy there. i dont think loretta would want to vote with someone who is about to reveal wolf


before reading the posts that really lead up to eod. id say wolfiest players are


Crossnerd
425
c viggity
zeestein
dyenminator(he was multiquoting and so much more involved in the gme i played with him)

alrighty roo

zeestein
cracked
lenc
Add VM to the crossnerd/loretta/zeestein wolf team. This game is easy.
Good vote. Reasoning of 425 having the most wolfy end is good and 425kid attacks VM right back.

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Originally Posted by 425kid
These are not the posts of a villager.
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Originally Posted by Alrighty Roo
425 is looking more and more wolfy with each post. The voting u-turn made him a prime suspect but he's just trying to use ad hominem attacks to distract people and stop them voting him. I think if he was villa he would be more logical. Therefore, I vote 425kid
Good vote and good reasoning. Again, 425 attacks Roo for his posts against him. 425 was actually just in anti-spew already, and was adding on everyone who voted him onto his wolflist. VM, Crossnerd, Loretta, and Roo.

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Originally Posted by Anarchist
at the beginning of day 1 i thought 425 wAs a wolf. then i softened my stance cause im bad at reading aggressive people.

but now i like all the cases against him, and his vote against me was HORRIBLE, especially when he called filthy a LOCK WOLF

425kid
Good vote by Anarchist. Final vote before 425 claims.

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Originally Posted by 425kid
Because im the seer god damn it.

I peeked noah villa n0 and Loretta wolf n1. now gtfo me.
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11-30-2011 , 03:28 AM
Fluttershy's Friends & Fears

Crackedquads: Ram.
McAvoy: Seer peeked by Loretta.
Noah: 2nd vote on Zeestein. 5th vote against filthyvermin with a solid case. LenC Night kill "clears" Noah as a villager.
Anarchist: Encouraged Zeestein as a candidate for wagon. A key player and villager participant in the lynching of filthyvermin. Was also attacked by filthyvermin. Voted 425kid and forced him to claim.

TheMoocher: Votes Zeestein to bring it to 8-6. Also specifically addresses it as a Zeestein vs Nofear vote. Also, 2nd vote against filthyvermin.
TheNothing: 1st vote on Zeestein. Hostile interaction with him spews TheNothing as villager.
Dyenimator: A very strong 5th vote on Zeestein, bringing the vote to 5 Nofear, 5 Zeestein. Also attacked Zeestein earlier.
InsureMePlease: The final vote for zeestein last minute. Had the opportunity to instead tie the vote with nofear, but didn't. On day one, tried to lynch 245 instead of filthyvermin.

Pinkie Pie: Probably a villager because was the counterwagon to the strongest wolf. Voted Zeestein to tie it up 6-6.
Necro: Seer Hunt Cleared from Evene's Death.
Crossnerd: Votes Nofear at a critical time bringing the voting to 5 for Nofear, 4 for Zeestein. Voted for Anarchist in Anarchist vs Filthyvermin. First vote and presented a strong case to vote 425Kid on d2.
Alrighty Roo: Was an early voter for NoFear. Voted for 425kid on d2.
VarianceMinefield: Actively tried to save filthyvermin. Started a "compromise" CFD on Anarchist. Voted off-wagon in NoFear vs Zeestein. Voted for 425Kid on d2.

Willi: Votes Nofear at a critical time bringing the voting to 6 for Nofear, 5 for Zeestein.

BASaint: Voted off-wagon on the Zeestein lynch day. The night kill of Evene may have been because BASaint was thought to be peeked wolf.


I reduced some of my less confident villager reads to lean villager since I have too many of them. There are three wolves left, and I only have BASaint and Willi as wolf candidates now.

Given the early wolf lynches (3 out of 4) most of the analysis is based on those who voted for wolves at key times and how often they did so. There is of course at least one who voted a wolf for credit.

I give more credit to those who voted for Zeestein over those who voted for 425 or filthyvermin since lynching a power wolf is worth more than the lesser wolves. It's clear that given that I have only two players in the wolf category that at least one wolf lies in hiding and did attack a fellow wolf - I'd guess in the lean villager section.
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11-30-2011 , 03:29 AM
BASaint

Simple case:

1) Voted off-wagon on the Zeestein lynch day.
2) Evene called BASaint a wolf and was killed at night.
3) In a world in where so many read as villagers, those who don't are likely wolves.
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11-30-2011 , 03:35 AM
we still have a lot of claimable roles

if those roles are from our "suspicious" group, we could have close to a lock on the game
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11-30-2011 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
we still have a lot of claimable roles

if those roles are from our "suspicious" group, we could have close to a lock on the game
Agreed

Care needs to be taken not to celebrate "too early" since I want to look at the worst case scenario where wolves keep winning sheep. That means they could get an extra kill every two nights.

Of course that assumes the angel never protects anything, wolves never hit an immune villager, that the wolves actually win sheep, etc.

Given 16 players in the game, 10 "Clear" players is probably the stone cold lock on the game. 9 is likely good enough.
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11-30-2011 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Fluttershy looks the worst BY FAR from end of day yesterday. She was here actively trying to dissuade people from voting for zeestein. Like, act-ive-lyyyy. She had one of the last posts before end of day trying to get those last votes.

My strongest wolf leans are anyone who defended zeestein, and anyone who didn't put their vote on a wagon yesterday.

So that list potentially includes:

Fluttershy
BaSaint
VarienceMineField
Necro
C-viggity

and either Loretta or 425
C-viggity is no longer with us, and necro is shc. That leaves Fluttershy, VMF and BASaint.

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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
Hi everypony, I'm back from baking cupcakes with Pinkie Pie.
I want to say before I start pointing out interesting posts that I found to make sure to make everyone realize: Werewolf (and sheep!) is a fun game we all play to have fun. We're all friends here and we should all listen to everypony.



It can certainly be frustrating to be attacked but all the sheep at least have limited information and don't know that you're good. So just realize that and remember the best Werewolf players keep their cool even though it may be difficult and just give their reads no matter what they are.

That's what Sun Tzu would have wanted us to do.
Pure fluff. "Ponies, be nice!"

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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
On wagoning:





Anarchist is right - we have only about thirty minutes left and a wolf MIGHT have 2.5 votes so we do want to lynch somebody with a clear (at least 3 vote) majority.



I wanted to highlight where the "clear villagers" are voting and the NoFear wagon and how it hasn't gotten much support. There is no way that anybody can defend NoFear at this point - he's one of the distinct few who hasn't interacted (to my belief) with either of 425 OR Loretta, AND he has the people who voted Filthyvermin on it.

Despite all that, NoFear's wagon isn't growing.

With his one post that sounded exceptionally fake ("wow, we got a wolf day one") as well as with no interaction with the biggest things to work out (competing seer claims) I think a NoFear lynch is best.
Trying to get people to vote nofear.

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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
Thanks for your list lenC.

I think over the night if you have time you should go into more specific reasons behind your thoughts on everybody (hopefully you took some notes in your spreadsheet!)

In particular I would like to find why you think Aksdal is a villager. Besides that, you have nearly the same list as me. That makes me:

ORLY.

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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
On Zeestein:




I think Zeestein sounds genuine here. In his first post he's actively encouraging the village to "keep it close" between the top wagons (him included) in order to get the most information and see who casts the deciding votes. As a villager with little information he may think that is the way to see where the wolves are - he specifically wants to "watch who casts the deciding votes" which is generally how people find wolves by finding out who votes the wolves. If Zeestein was a wolf I think he focuses less on the "keeping it close" aspect.



This sounds genuine too. I feel like Zeestein may be a new player who naturally sounds wolfy and he's "Trying to help" by just voting himself.




Zeestein, my plea to you is to just keep writing your thoughts, a reads list (wolf/villager) on people and all. And don't self-vote. We're all friends here and we're a team!
Defends Zeestein.

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Originally Posted by sangaman
Votes as of post 2742
Night in 00:09

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VotesLynchVoters
8 NoFear3838 Anarchist (395), 425kid (150), Aksdal (112), Alrighty Roo (59), Crossnerd (67), FlutterShy (47), lenC (12), Willi (47)
6 Zeestein Dyenimator (11), Evene (28), Noah (76), NoFear3838 (2), TheNothing (44), Zeestein (27)
2 InsureMePlz BASaint (106), crackedquads (77)
2 Loretta8 C-Viggity (6), necro (17)
1 425kid Loretta8 (143)
1 BASaint VarianceMinefield (61)
1 lenC The Moocher (91)
1 The Moocher InsureMePlz (14)
1 unvote necro (17)
1 not voting Gadarene (0)
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
I have the utmost belief in lenC to accomplish this over the night. You'll do that for us, right lenC?

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Originally Posted by sangaman
Votes as of post 2760
Night in 00:03

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VotesLynchVoters
8 Zeestein Aksdal (113), Dyenimator (12), Evene (28), lenC (13), Noah (76), NoFear3838 (3), TheNothing (44), Zeestein (27)
7 NoFear3838 Anarchist (401), 425kid (150), Alrighty Roo (59), Crossnerd (67), FlutterShy (47), Loretta8 (147), Willi (48)
2 InsureMePlz BASaint (106), crackedquads (77)
2 Loretta8 C-Viggity (6), necro (17)
1 BASaint VarianceMinefield (61)
1 lenC The Moocher (93)
1 The Moocher InsureMePlz (14)
1 unvote necro (17)
1 not voting Gadarene (0)

If there are errors in the vote count, please PM me or rebold your vote.
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
Case on NoFear:



His only (until very recently) post this day.
Looks quite fake
STILL trying to get nofear votes, with one minutes until end of day.

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Originally Posted by sangaman
Votes as of post 2773
Night in 00:01

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VotesLynchVoters
9 Zeestein Aksdal (114), Dyenimator (12), Evene (28), InsureMePlz (17), lenC (13), Noah (76), NoFear3838 (4), TheNothing (44), Zeestein (27)
7 NoFear3838 Anarchist (404), 425kid (150), Alrighty Roo (60), Crossnerd (67), FlutterShy (49), Loretta8 (148), Willi (48)
2 InsureMePlz BASaint (106), crackedquads (77)
2 Loretta8 C-Viggity (6), necro (17)
1 BASaint VarianceMinefield (61)
1 lenC The Moocher (93)
1 unvote necro (17)
1 not voting Gadarene (0)
A lot of desperation in there. Somebody's been a bad pony imo.

fluttershy

flutteryshy/vmf/basaint wagons
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11-30-2011 , 03:57 AM
wolves obv won sheep yesterday, hence double kill

which means lock one kill tonight

and i agree with those wagon choices
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11-30-2011 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
Agreed

Care needs to be taken not to celebrate "too early" since I want to look at the worst case scenario where wolves keep winning sheep. That means they could get an extra kill every two nights.

Of course that assumes the angel never protects anything, wolves never hit an immune villager, that the wolves actually win sheep, etc.

Given 16 players in the game, 10 "Clear" players is probably the stone cold lock on the game. 9 is likely good enough.
How do you know they are winning sheep.....?
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11-30-2011 , 03:59 AM
There has only been one extra kill the entire game, flutter what did you mean when you said "wolves keep winning sheep"?
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11-30-2011 , 03:59 AM
they obviously won the sheep last night cause they got 2 kills
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11-30-2011 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
There has only been one extra kill the entire game, flutter what did you mean when you said "wolves keep winning sheep"?
Wolves have won at least two games of sheep, so if the wolves keep winning sheep they get more kills (first win is a block, second win is a kill, etc)
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11-30-2011 , 04:01 AM
Seems like a weird thing to say..
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11-30-2011 , 04:01 AM
Errr, that was a quick recollection of the sheep prize.

I meant first win is a peek, second win is a kill, etc.
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11-30-2011 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluttershy
Wolves have won at least two games of sheep, so if the wolves keep winning sheep they get more kills (first win is a block, second win is a kill, etc)
no, first win is a PEEK, second if a kill
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11-30-2011 , 04:02 AM
ahh, sick crosspost and sexy avatar

i would **** that pony

ummm, what
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11-30-2011 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
i would **** that pony
I too would hug the pony.

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11-30-2011 , 04:07 AM
loooooooooooool
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11-30-2011 , 04:09 AM
Glad you guys are having fun...

Annie, what do you think of my posts about fluttershy?
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11-30-2011 , 04:11 AM
crossnerd
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11-30-2011 , 04:12 AM
You/Fluttershy/Variance/BASaint

has 1 or 2 wolves.

I think fluttershy is the most likely but i will give him today to post ldo
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11-30-2011 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
crossnerd
Just because I suggested your wagon?
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11-30-2011 , 04:17 AM
Flutter, what do you think of my posts about you? Why did you try to stop the zeestein wagon? Why did you talk to lenc and ask about aksdal, who are now both coincidentally dead?
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11-30-2011 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Flutter, what do you think of my posts about you? Why did you try to stop the zeestein wagon? Why did you talk to lenc and ask about aksdal, who are now both coincidentally dead?
Crossnerd, your posts against me all make sense and I've kept addressing them by just saying: "Yes, I look bad for defending zeestein and pushing nofear." I don't deny that.

I tried to stop the zeestein wagon because I bought his self-vote. I thought it was genuine. It wasn't.

I talked to lenc and asked about aksdal because I wanted to understand why lenc thought aksdal was a villager?
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