That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

Killing Eurotrash doesn't give you the credit. He was an outed wolf.

What gives you the credit is the fact that a few people feel as though a role with the mechanics that you've shown is more likely to be villager than it is wolf.

obviously i dont have anything clearing w.r.t. intreactions with wolves, that i remind of, since YO, i didnt know when i was talking with wolves.

my most clearing things, in my biased opinion, are due to mechanics:
-the fact that i absolutely freaked out for no reason when a rush of votes on me appeared the night binkles got lynched.
-my constant pushing of effen the day he got caught. the fact that he probably would have gone unnoticed for more days if i didnt find it and pushed it hard over loosekanen first, then thenothing because i thought it was a wolfy attempt to distract from the "good" wagons effen/kruze.
-my post count that pretty much discard me from being a wolf. OK i realize that it doesnt mean xxxx to you, but for me its the first time i would wolf for real otherwise and i would never either make it this long/ or not spew myself wolf

This was true at first, but then the way you argued your case against me was so fishy. And I made it known that I thought it was fishy:

Like when you were first spitballing about why I was next after TN on your POE, I was like wtf is he talking about? But you assured me you had a case so I let it unfold. As it unfolded, it turned out there was NO ORIGINAL case to be had, you essentially made up the fact that you had one, and the whole thing was just you pressuring me and seeing how I'd respond. It was at that point that I was like hmmmmm.

also i dont try to cast suspicion on everyone, even though i have to be suspicious of everyone right now. but can someone explain me why RT is "clear"? he pretty much cruised all game long, and i have a feeling he might be the (a) neutral a decent % of the time here. he was pretty much the only one insistent to talk about my lost wolf theory.

vagos i was so sure on my thing on Effen really so focused, that i saw everything coming against it as a distraction or a wolfy attempt to save him. i had you in my eye all that day because of some post you made (dont remember which one, but it was like "effen, dont remember, villagery maybe") that i wanted to see your every reaction that day. and i was increasingly furious with what i saw: you going on TN (i didnt full read your case on TN at the time), trying to CFD, being unclear, etc etc...

Just curious, did you push Effen at all before that day? Cause you realize that Vyk came into the thread that day and after Gad had flipped villa, he refocused his efforts and told the thread specifically "TN/Effen" today. You pushing Effen all day that day means next to nothing for you in terms of being cleared. Sorry if you're a villa, but that's just how it is. TN was a better wagon than Kruze for a fact.

Post count, it's honestly not going to do anything for me. You're a capable player, you can post a lot and play a lot. That's all it takes to become a good wolf is commitment. I won my 2nd true wolf game ever at a f3 with prob like 800-1000 posts or something. And the whole time at f3, the clincher for why I wasn't lynched is because I convinced nath that I couldn't be doing all this in my 2nd wolf game.

Lastly, that there is NOTHING you can point to as far as interactions with other wolves is really bad. It's possible you just got unlucky in that regard, but typically villagers who reach this point in the game will have had SOME sort of dust up with a wolf at some point during the course of the game. That you don't is simply a wolfy aspect of your game right now.

This all adds up to a puzzle piece fitting in place for me, combined with a bunch of clearing stuff for several other players left in the game. If you think that makes me suspicious, you're wrong.

Frustrates me to have to make this post, but the wife and I are having a bit of a spat right now. She has booked us on a double-date to go see Skyfall tonight with friends, so this will be one of my last posts of the evening.

Please don't lynch me, I am a villager. I don't know how or why, but it appears as though getting mislynched as a villager has become my 'thing'. It has happened in three of the five major games I've played in (Cinematic Mish-Mash, Monks slow game, RO3K). I was a wolf in another and the fifth was the teddy debacle. captain binkles, the player I've probably played the most with, made a post early on day one confirming as such.

I've done my best to participate actively for the last week. These games are pretty challenging -- I've done by best to get in there and give reads and try and solve the game. Often times I've been wrong (KruZe and pulling the trigger on VMF), but occasionally I do make the right reads (BJLTNYK, xxsooted, and loosekanen this game).

In case you missed them in the thread, here are a couple of posts where people voiced some support for me in case it impacts your decision:



I'll check back in at the movie theatre, but likely only very briefly.

I made it clear I wanted TN all day, I re-read both TN and Effen because those were Vyk's suggested wagons. I came to the conclusion that TN was more likely a wolf than Effen but that Effen could obv still be wolfing and that I would vote for him over terrible wagons like LK or Kruze.

Ya, I made some sporadic EOD votes, it's what I do from time to time. Sometimes it helps CFD a wolf (see my last villa game Estonian mishmash where I CFD'd SYF with like 15 mins left and he flipped wolf), sometimes it fails. It's something I'm comfortable doing as a villager. But either way, my thought process was super clear that day.

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i came at effen waaaaay before vyk said TN/effen. verify that please.

nothing that i can remember for sure. i will check at my chart to see if im spewed for some reason. maybe the way effen defends himself to me. or the reaction of TN when i fakepeek her neutral. this is a good start. can you please tell me which wolf/alive player interaction occured, in order for you to clear those live players?

right now its to the point youre calling me the most possible wolf which is absolutely STUPID (sorry) and im pretty sure they are all laughing in DVC, except if youre not a villa in which case, yeah ok

tchaz, just interact here, no walls of text. Who are you leaning towards voting here and why?

THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP LIE i exposed this in my MQs of you. when you arrived in the thread that day you wanted BOO and HOLDEM07 heads and you were tunneling more than hal of the day boo AND holdem. i cant quote my MQ. YOU ARE LYING. please all villagers verify that by yourself.

its AFTER AND ONLY AFTER vyk asked you to look on effen/TN, based on my injonctions for effen that you did

Why do I have to verify when you started coming at Effen? I was asking you when you started your furious/super focused case on him. Point me to the requisite reading.

I've already mentioned it like a couple of times in the past 24 hours the clearing things each player left has for them. I don't feel like repeating myself for everyone. You'll just have to read my posts.



Def won't be the first or last time that DVC has laughed at me during end game play.

OMG i just realize that pushing TN over effen meant NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA at that time because village has no fire power anymore, so TN is basically a vanilla wolf as well

so basically you cannot get any credit by saying hey i pushed the wolf ANGEL

Ya, that's what I meant, I just said that. Vyk told me to calm down, focus on his wagons and I did. And after that my conclusion was emphatically "LETS LYNCH TN".

Perhaps I worded it wrong, "After re-reading TN, I made it clear for the rest of the day that I wanted to lynch her." Happy?

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Hey cool story, now tell me how did Holdem die?

Then ask yourself who was clearer coming into that day, TN or Effen? It wasn't really that close. TN was met with serious resistance by almost everyone. Effen was legit on borrowed time from the moment that day started.

no im not happy. youre either a non-villager trying to get me mislynched, or a villager oblivious enough to my game and the facts trying to convince himself im not a villager.

either way im not happy now.

Ok, that's around when I thought it was. That was the day he was lynched, right? So when you said this:

you meant like, a few hours before, right? Not wayyyy before in terms of the game, like a day or two earlier.

how would you know who was clearer, you said yourself that day that you hadnt looked at neither before.

iirc TN was treated as a "possible" SK, but i dont have any reminiscence about here being mentioned as a wolf.

blue thing= show me evidence of that. is it a wolf slip? this does not appear obvious to me. in fact, NOT AT ALL. otherwise i would not have tried to "dig" him during the night.

Dude, maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time and it certainly wouldn't be a tragedy. Whatever happens this game, I'll be pleased with how I played given the amount of WILaging and straight up villa sabotaging there was in this game.

You can insult my village game all you want, it's not going to change what reads I have at the moment.

your defense is shrinking and shrinking or what? for me it was a lot of time as I was personnally invested a lot in this thread. first effen and silman (lol) acknowledged my work, then it died out until vyk "helped me out".

DarO, are you gonna play?

I mean, I was aware of their posting, I just hadn't given them a good once over until Vyk told me to let go of the Holdem thunderdoming. Effen is someone who doesn't put a lot of volume into the game and so when he's wolfing, he's going to be brought to the attention of the thread pretty quickly. TN was actually playing ok until that VMF/xxsooted fiasco.

No dude, it's not a wolf slip lol. It's the dynamics of the game. Why do you think the TN wagon was met with so much resistance that day while Effen was pretty much secured a spot as an EOD wagon with like 4-5 hrs to go? Because of how clear each one was relatively. I mean LOOSEKANEN one of the most obv villas in the thread was wagoned over TN. Is that not an indication that TN was reading as a villa to a lot of people?

What am I supposed to be defending myself against? I was just asking about the specifics of when you pushed Effen lol, sorry I didn't have a timestamp in my notes for the exact moment you first MQ'd Effen.

so noone is here? COME ON
the game is probably deciding itself tonight or tomorrow.

where does accobra have his vote? he left right?