Timing tells are your evidence for voting me? That's really poor at this point in the game.

I phone post on my bus ride to work as it's a convenient time for me to do so.

It's difficult to go back and check a death post on my phone. I had in my spreadsheet that CDL was LeBron, that must've been a mistake. That means my tinfoil theory on darO might not be so bad after all. Nice of you to hold that tidbit back until now.

You want to talk timing tells? How about:
- confirmedtroll swooping in with an emergency self preservation vote at eod2, then conveniently clearing himself for it the next morning
- darO effectively disappearing for the next five game days once he killed Eurotrash, a job most of you have cleared him for. Lock clear villagers need to be in the thread, active and coordinating with other villagers to solve the game. He has been none of that.
- tchaz being completely disconnected from any live interaction throughout the entire game
- vyk07 practically begging for village captaincy early in the game, then being totally MIA today and yesterday

So you think I peeked BJL wolf, made that post about him, and seconds later killed him? That's pretty rich. The discussion on BJL was a carryover result from him tunneling me at the last second on the previous night.

Please do not get impatient with me at this point in the game . I have said many times that I post on my phone while at work, so you're not always going to get an immediate response.

I shudder to think what the thread will be like this weekend if tchaz is still alive and vyk07 is out of the country and people are looking for immediate responses.

Listen, there are only 8 players left. A mislynch tonight quite possibly could make the game unwinnable for the village if we're up against more than a sngle w + n. I strongly urge you to not vote against me tonight. Getting mislynched as a villager has been the cause of my death in 3 of the 5 long games I've played. People find things they dislike about me, then tunnel me to the point of no return.

Catching up on this thread now so I can make some form of a contribution

Just whilst I'm cooking I had a quick look at accobra's latest game (from mid-October).

d2 sod 9.38 acc 1st post 10.58 (1 hour 20mins after sod)
d3 sod 10.20 acc 1st post 10.22 (2 mins after sod)
d4 sod 10.17 acc 1st post 10.20 (3 mins after sod)
d5 sod 10.45 acc 1st post 10.50 (5 mins after sod)

d3-d5 before anyone had posted (from skimming) what really appers to be content

eod5 lynched - flips villa

We need more data (ie looking at other games), but that really weakens the posting early as a SK part of RT's case, imo.

(And I say this in full knowledge that that substantively increases the likelihood of me being mislynched - as a village we need correct information, not whatever paints individuals nicely.)

RE: People who are asking me to go into anymore depth on my role

I have already given you all the information I can without getting modkilled

to recap

it was activated by the command
I used it on eurotrash
It is a villager ability
I cannot claim any more specifics otherwise I would

Given we've seen what I did, this would be the biggest waste ever/terribad fps if it were a wolf role.

Well yeah, I mean that this point no one is lock clear and no one is lock non-villa so we have to use what we've got.

That said...

...this checks out.

I mean, the only time I've EVER had a spreadsheet in a WW game was you guessed it:



Can you link to you mentioning your SS in another game?

Yep, all of those are some degree of suspicious. I didn't have timing tells and a seeming disinterest on those guys today though.

I have no idea what powers the SK has, but like I said I'm guessing it's at least a DK and peek, and if that's true, you may have peeked him prior. No clue really.

It still makes sense that you, as the SK, would kill him in an effort to avoid a tdome since you didn't need to know what BJ would flip to know that was bad for youl.

Well there's a difference here. You came into the thread and didn't even acknowledge the fact that I made a case about you before seemingly leaving again. That's odd.

If you'd popped in and said "Hey, have no time but I'll get to the RT thing in a while", but you just sort of ignored it. Small thing? Yeah, still odd to me.

Admittedly the timing stuff makes me less certain of you being a neutral which means all my bad-guy leans are nearing equal here. That's not good at all.

Cool, say no more.

*** MOD NOTE ***

I'll be out until EOD due to my 10 year reunion. I'll be able to close thread, post results, etc just won't be able to count votes.

It's really simple once you set it up so if someone wants to hit me up on skype I can help set it up.

im here

Your 2 strongest wolf leans, go.

ive read last night+this morning (euro time)
like all of the remaining' players posts and all.
ive spent so much time that i dont wanna screw it up because the other villagers dont care enough or they are somehow put to sleep by neutral(s)+wolf(es)

in that order for wolves:
darO>dwetzel>you>accobra>tchaz>tanner>vyk

in that order for neutrals
vyk>you>tanner>accobra>darO>dwetzel>tchaz

i think there is exactly 1 neutral and 1 wolf.

im going to explain the 1 neutral in the next post

So just to clarify, tchaz you had as a strong "last wolf" read yesterday but his overnight posts and posts today (which are like 60-70% noise) spew him now clearer than me or dwetzel? Why would Dwetzel, as the final wolf, not shoot neutral or villa accobra upon Vyk's request?

What sense does it make that Dwetzel is the 2nd likeliest wolf but 2nd least likely neutral? None.

Seems like you wanted to clear me as a villa a day or two ago and now me simply casting a lot of doubt on you has you saying I'm basically one of the most likely people left to flip bad guy.

if there are more than one neutral i always arrive to some incoherency:

-how is it possible, statistically, that all neutrals are still alive with 8/40 left when all wolves NK, all wolves vig, all prizes and all villas vigs are manifestly resolved?
-if there is more than a serial "Suicider", what would his power be? seer= clearly not since the day kill only hit non-power roles. nk=not. what else??

thus im pretty sure we are in presence of a lone serial killer, not a team.

could it be something like "depression", or whatever? ive no idea what it could be, storyline wise, but you US players probably have some input on that

vagos, im not tlaking about his overnight posts. i read ALL of his posts. at the time I read them it was aronud 110, a bit comparable to darO's number of posts. they were both the first players i read because i had only a 1h15 time window so i wanted the low posters.

when you read those posts, its really tough for tchaz to be a wolf, except if they specifically told him in wolfchat "do your thing, post things which are orthogonal to the thread" basically. darO on the other hand is the same type as BJL, and he only has for him his "Engage Euro" from day 2. binkles once told me that reads>mechanical reasons, so idk anymore. I was trying to think what is the engage thing? is it a player engaging fight with another, or one of these businessmen, engagins one player in his team? not sure about basketball semantics. If the second option is possible, then i dont see any clearing stuff for darO. i mean the most convincing he did was to attack loose...

so you think that the wolves would use a 1 time kill on their own vig, when they know that they have another peeked wolf?

vagos ive been thinking over dinner (sad life) about you coming at me today. its sooooo weird. i cannot imagine someone as good as you (reputation) come at me like that when its fairly obvious i cannot be a wolf at this stage of the game. i mean the way you reacted to me reading you on day 5 was either us being v/v or me v and you not v, but you never seemed to imply i was being mishonest which is a pretty big spew if youre not a good guy.

its a one time vig where you out yourself to the thread.

i think the most profitable cases where you use it as a wolf are:
-a really really consensus wolfy villager.
-an outed wolf which allows you to clear yourself for a long time.

It's not that weird, I'm trying to work out all the clearing stuff for each person and for you all we have is a high post count (lol @ that meaning anything really) and that you pushed a vanilla wolf who had basically given up. You have to see that that's not much right? Like, can you point to any spots where other wolves spewed you villa? I'd be glad to look at that. Or interactions between you and some of the wolves that are rarely w/w? That'd also be good. I've seen none of that, though my re-read of you today was a pretty brief 10-15 min skim I will admit. But if you know of stuff that is clearing for you I implore you, now is the time to share it with me.

As for DarO, I basically agree with you, his shot in and of itself is not clearing, it's more the power that I think is clearing. Also there was some stuff with Binkles pushing him on d1 that is prob good for DarO. If we go on content/game participation alone, DarO is prob the wolfiest player remaining.

This isn't true btw, wtf? I clearly questioned your agenda when you were pushing me like crazy the other day. I said MULTIPLE times it had a wolfy progression (i.e. someone being dishonest).

Obviously waiting until you're a wagon and using it at the last minute would bea better use than what you've come up with.

It would also infer that the wolves have no roleblocker or 11 wolves 1 neutral in a 40 person game.

I've been awful this game due to availability issues but mechanics wise Im essentially a villager every time here.

you were so condescending (like "its the stupidest case ive ever heard") that i was thinking you were not doubting my honesty but more my smartness.

you will not ever see me claiming otherwise, Ive been ebolAIDS this game both in paticipation and general reads.

I always use a spreadsheet, how do you keep track of all the information otherwise?

Here's a link, I searched for "spreadsheet" in my most recent game, the Cinematic mm:

If thunderdoming with BJLTNYK is bad, why then would I not have killed him much, much earlier? He has been a thorn in my side all game long... and you think I wait until night six to kill him?

Also, BJLNTNYK was high on everyone's wolf lists yesterday. Very good chance that leaving him out there results in him getting lynched should he thunderdome me. Wouldn't it make much more sense for me to leave him out there and kill someone like vyk07 instead?

There was no need for that, I was here the whole time. It takes me a long time to respond on my phone. There were two questions asked before yours so I answered those first.