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Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO
I understand #2, that's what I'm saying.
it outs both, it's a bad play imo. dwetzel could've gained some credit for shooting you (although not a lot of it) and he went hold'em instead... let me think.
if accobra is a wolf:
1) dwetzel decided to kill hold'em instead because he still has some outs.
2) accobra might be a somewhat important role for the wolf team, therefore getting one or two more nights is important.
3) he didn't think it would actually spew accobra wolf.
tbh I think 3 is somewhat unlikely, 2 makes sense.
now... if accobra is a villager, that means there is no neutral SK. fact. dwetzel just kills accobra, accobra flips and he goes 'oh well i did what vyk told me to' if there is a neutral SK. why? because then outing yourself is a BIG mistake. it means we're at 7-5-1 or something, and dwetzel would lose a spot as possible late wolf to try mislynching accobra. with the SK alive killing wolves, reaching parity won't be easy.
so what we get from this is:
if there is a neutral SK around, accobra is a lock wolf.
if the dayvigs are controlled by wolves, accobra is a lock villager.
i think that makes sense.
What you should read into it after I flip is:
1. I thought accobra was exponentially more likely to be a villager than holdem, and exponentially more useful if he is a villager.
2. I could be wrong.
Vyk's insistence that he and he alone make the decision as to who gets shot just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe he's just in
village captain mode, but IMO he's in
manipulative neutral team member mode, and I decided not to listen to him. Holdem's desire to actually see a possible (from his POV) villager get lynched last night instead of an outed wolf power role sealed it for me.
The lessons the village should take from this game if we lose are:
- For ****'s sake, talk to each other. XX got lynched in no small part because of a steadfast refusal to make any sort of case or even discuss things for the people that, by her (it's her, right?) own logic were more likely than not to be villagers.
- Don't be a giant dick to everyone and expect villagers to just say "herp derp, I like being insulted by people who aren't playing werewolf, I guess I'll let them live forever". Go **** yourself. You're not being clever, you're not outing wolves, you're just being a jerk in what's supposed to be a fun game and always has been for me, win or lose, wolf or villager, until this one.
- Don't let emotions overrule logic. That one's for me. At least I removed the emotional equation from the game, even if two villagers do have to die in the process.