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Oh well.

Go ahead, lynch me. But try to plan the rest of the game today under the assumption that I'm a villager, because that's what I'm going to flip.

And stop listening to vyk.

lol

dwetzel, if you're a villager the game is basically over

GJGE vigging one of the most clear villagers in the game

not even POE'd.

you just can't be a villager because you're better than this.

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11-21-2012 , 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll

if neutral is indeed a neutral, he should shoot either the outed wolf, or his strongest wolf lean.

otherwise we know its a lost wolf mechanic.

There is 0% chance that there is > 1 neutral in this game?

come on son

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11-21-2012 , 10:26 AM

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I understand #2, that's what I'm saying.

it outs both, it's a bad play imo. dwetzel could've gained some credit for shooting you (although not a lot of it) and he went hold'em instead... let me think.

if accobra is a wolf:

1) dwetzel decided to kill hold'em instead because he still has some outs.

2) accobra might be a somewhat important role for the wolf team, therefore getting one or two more nights is important.

3) he didn't think it would actually spew accobra wolf.

tbh I think 3 is somewhat unlikely, 2 makes sense.

now... if accobra is a villager, that means there is no neutral SK. fact. dwetzel just kills accobra, accobra flips and he goes 'oh well i did what vyk told me to' if there is a neutral SK. why? because then outing yourself is a BIG mistake. it means we're at 7-5-1 or something, and dwetzel would lose a spot as possible late wolf to try mislynching accobra. with the SK alive killing wolves, reaching parity won't be easy.

so what we get from this is:

if there is a neutral SK around, accobra is a lock wolf.

if the dayvigs are controlled by wolves, accobra is a lock villager.

i think that makes sense.

What you should read into it after I flip is:

1. I thought accobra was exponentially more likely to be a villager than holdem, and exponentially more useful if he is a villager.

2. I could be wrong.

Vyk's insistence that he and he alone make the decision as to who gets shot just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe he's just in village captain mode, but IMO he's in manipulative neutral team member mode, and I decided not to listen to him. Holdem's desire to actually see a possible (from his POV) villager get lynched last night instead of an outed wolf power role sealed it for me.

The lessons the village should take from this game if we lose are:

For ****'s sake, talk to each other. XX got lynched in no small part because of a steadfast refusal to make any sort of case or even discuss things for the people that, by her (it's her, right?) own logic were more likely than not to be villagers.
Don't be a giant dick to everyone and expect villagers to just say "herp derp, I like being insulted by people who aren't playing werewolf, I guess I'll let them live forever". Go **** yourself. You're not being clever, you're not outing wolves, you're just being a jerk in what's supposed to be a fun game and always has been for me, win or lose, wolf or villager, until this one.
Don't let emotions overrule logic. That one's for me. At least I removed the emotional equation from the game, even if two villagers do have to die in the process.

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11-21-2012 , 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO

lol

dwetzel, if you're a villager the game is basically over

GJGE vigging one of the most clear villagers in the game

not even POE'd.

you just can't be a villager because you're better than this.

One of the what now? You can't be serious.

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11-21-2012 , 10:27 AM

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ugh didn't you just lolcat?

and I'm playing werewolf. I'm one of the three players in this game actually playing werewolf.

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11-21-2012 , 10:28 AM

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Votes as of post 9680
Night in 11:32
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	DWetzel	HardcoreUFO (28)
1	Silman	Ashington (7)
11	not voting	accobra_kid (10), confirmedtroll (11), tchaz (0), vyk07 (0), BJLTNYK (0), Boo Radley (16), darO (0), DWetzel (6), Richard Tanner (0), Silman (0), Vagos (0)

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11-21-2012 , 10:28 AM

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did you forget you just conceded?

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11-21-2012 , 10:29 AM

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And yeah, I normally am better than this. Holdem got to me. Not because I'm a wolf, but because I'm a human being who doesn't deserve to have to put up with his crap. Believe it, don't believe it, you'll see at the end of today that I'm not kidding, and then you can go yell at him for taking me out of my game, meager though it might be.

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11-21-2012 , 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

One of the what now? You can't be serious.

i cleared hold'em three days ago. I'm dead serious.

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11-21-2012 , 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

One of the what now? You can't be serious.

Pretty terrible isn't it? lol

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11-21-2012 , 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO

ugh didn't you just lolcat?

and I'm playing werewolf. I'm one of the three players in this game actually playing werewolf.

I lolvillaged. It's not the same thing. I know you're not going to believe me (you have ulterior motives, of course). I know very few other people are going to believe me either.

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11-21-2012 , 10:30 AM

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*** EVENT ***

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11-21-2012 , 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

yeah there is no way you're a villager, basically. if you are, you singlehandedly lost the game btw, and it's absolutely 100% on you. you say you were playing werewolf, did you check hold'ems meta before vigging him? no, you were butthurt. how is that playing werewolf? nobody had a case on the guy.

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11-21-2012 , 10:31 AM

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Try hard people, what do you mean by that? My top three village leans?

the 3 people u think are trying the hardest to solve the game

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11-21-2012 , 10:32 AM

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i really hope im not dead

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11-21-2012 , 10:32 AM

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HOW IS IT TERRIBLE THAT I CALLED A VILLAGER A VILLAGER?

wow guys

seriously if both you and ash are villagers you need to improve so much in this game

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11-21-2012 , 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

I lolvillaged. It's not the same thing. I know you're not going to believe me (you have ulterior motives, of course). I know very few other people are going to believe me either.

I did the same thing with my moni shat. It happens. I turribled. You may have turribled too. Or you may be a wolf. IDK. I chose not to peek you hoping that your shat would out you one way or the other. I don't believe it did. I had my doubts about Trolld'em all through the game.

That said, hardcore calling him "one of the most clear villagers in the game" is a wolf/neutral claim as far as I'm concerned.

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11-21-2012 , 10:32 AM

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IF I DIE ACCOBRA IS A VILLAGER, CHECK MY POSTS.

and ALWAYS lynch dwetzel.

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11-21-2012 , 10:32 AM

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dwetz always shows up around event time or am I wrong?
I put him on my list d1 for his popin around event time

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11-21-2012 , 10:33 AM

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did you have a peek last night ash?

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11-21-2012 , 10:33 AM

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Silman is vanilla wolf that was my peek.

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11-21-2012 , 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo Radley

dwetz always shows up around event time or am I wrong?
I put him on my list d1 for his popin around event time

Nah, DWetz usually isn't up this early but is because we're driving 7 hours to visit my parents.

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11-21-2012 , 10:34 AM

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Silman is vanilla wolf that was my peek.

reallllly good!

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11-21-2012 , 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashington

Ask them post game. This is probably the dumbest bunch of **** I've ever been involved with.

You came out late on d2, tried to peek Holdem but were RB'd.

n3 you did not submit, but faked angeling yourself and used the vig instead.

n4 you peeked TheNothing and believe you were angeled by the villa angel.

Correct so far?

Wolves knew this, knew you couldn't be angeled twice in a row n5 (correct?), yet still didn't kill you? You think they're leaving you alive to frame you?