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11-19-2012 , 06:37 PM
so ash, you did not get a prize today right?
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11-19-2012 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hold'em 07
dwetzel/thenothing are wolves


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At least 50% definitely wrong.
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11-19-2012 , 06:38 PM
Richard Tanner never changing
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11-19-2012 , 06:38 PM
it's weird bc i still feel like TN did something early that spewed her villa

but she seems totally disconnected from this game...

(then again, similar to her performance as a villa in MLP:IV imo)
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11-19-2012 , 06:39 PM
dwetz is not a wolf. effen is the best wagon of those voters on sooted.
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11-19-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
also, just look at the roleset for the villas:

vig - tweedy
vig - zdye
lover seers - noze & somebody, i forget.
conditional seer - me
full seer - ash

this is a lot of ****ing firepower for a villager in a 39 man game when a wolf team only has one vig. this isn't making a lot of sense to me either.
how do you know what roles the wilves have?
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11-19-2012 , 06:39 PM
what's your conditional seeing roal, loose?
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11-19-2012 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hold'em 07
how do you know what roles the wilves have?
i know they only have one vig since we haven't been hit by a wolf vig since it died
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11-19-2012 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
Richard Tanner never changing
lol france
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11-19-2012 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryant Reeves
also if these day kills were coming from the WILves, and Ash is a full villa seer, he'd be dead by now ldo
Just caught this post when CT quoted it and it stood out.

If the day kills are neutrals (which I think we all agree they probably are), then yeah, something doesn't make sense with regards to Ash.

Either he's a neutral, which I'm not seeing at the moment, or the neutral team doesn't fear seers (godfathers obv). Neutrals that peek villa are so overpowered that I'd guess one of two things is true:

1) There's only one neutral and he peeks villa
2) Ash isn't telling us everything.
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11-19-2012 , 06:40 PM
Silman is so invisible itg that i keep feeling like he died d2 or something...
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11-19-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
i know they only have one vig since we haven't been hit by a wolf vig since it died
why are you complaining about how much firepower the village has?
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11-19-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
Follow along here:
  • You said "oh, that's a great thing to say after VMF flips wolf".
  • He said it before VMF flips wolf.
  • Ergo, LOL you.

Yes, it's entirely possible that he's a wolf that won a RB, used it on someone (zdye, probably), and lied about using it on VMF -- but that's not what you argued.

At this point it really feels like you've come to a definite conclusion and now you're trying to make every available fact fit that conclusion. I don't even think it's necessarily wolfy of you, but it's definitely non-productive.
Ok, I think I see a way understand what LK was trying to say in those two posts about "after VMF flips wolf" - if you give him the benefit of the doubt. (Not saying we necessarily should, just saying they make sense if one wants to.)

The way to interpret "after" is "for after" and "wolf" as "vanilla wolf".

LK's point would be that as VMF is a *vanilla* wolf - something he didn't explicit say iirc (but I may have missed it), if RT was a wolf and says he has RB'ed VMF before VMF dies that's fine for him (RT) because there's no missing actions from VMF from previous nights to explain - because VMF's just vanilla - whenever VMF dies.

At the moment I don't see what we know (but **warning** I still haven't had a chance to read pp76-80) about why zdye's vig didn't go through. The most usual explanations would be that either his target was angeled or he was role-blocked - and we haven't see dead wolf angels or RBs yet, so if there is a 'typical' mishmash it's quite likely there would be one or both
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11-19-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
dwetz is not a wolf. effen is the best wagon of those voters on sooted.
You're right about me, but I too wish you'd hurry up and show your work.
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11-19-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryant Reeves
what's your conditional seeing roal, loose?
i was peeking FOR someone whereupon i would kill that player and mason with another player.

both of those players are dead.

i'm not going to mess with claiming who they were because it looks like an angle to me that i'm not ready to risk modkill shooting.
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11-19-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
dwetz is not a wolf. effen is the best wagon of those voters on sooted.
Some brief reasoning why you like an Effen lynch more than TN?
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11-19-2012 , 06:42 PM
and there are so maaaany people soft defending RT right now with no real reason when there is mechanical evidence that he lied!
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11-19-2012 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Just caught this post when CT quoted it and it stood out.

If the day kills are neutrals (which I think we all agree they probably are), then yeah, something doesn't make sense with regards to Ash.

Either he's a neutral, which I'm not seeing at the moment, or the neutral team doesn't fear seers (godfathers obv). Neutrals that peek villa are so overpowered that I'd guess one of two things is true:

1) There's only one neutral and he peeks villa
2) Ash isn't telling us everything.
To conclude, I think it's #1 since if we assume a normal sized wolf team, having more than one neutral seems bloated and if there are two and they don't fear seers, we're sort of screwed (72o knows what I'm talking about )
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11-19-2012 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
and there are so maaaany people soft defending RT right now with no real reason when there is mechanical evidence that he lied!
I never lied. I got an RB and RB'ed VMF
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11-19-2012 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll
and there are so maaaany people soft defending RT right now with no real reason when there is mechanical evidence that he lied!
lol france
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11-19-2012 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
You're right about me, but I too wish you'd hurry up and show your work.
if you reread my lists i've made from d2 morning on it follows logically, and with some thin general reasoning. but i'll go back and post why i came to that consensus later. i was planning on doing that before eod anyway. i think you're a terrible wagon.
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11-19-2012 , 06:44 PM
Headed out to class, will be back on the phone for a bit
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11-19-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hold'em 07
dwetzel/thenothing are wolves

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11-19-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryant Reeves
Silman is so invisible itg that i keep feeling like he died d2 or something...
I was thinking yesterday silman / bjlky team
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11-19-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
Some brief reasoning why you like an Effen lynch more than TN?
again, i'll have to go back and dig up old posts. if you follow my lists throughout the game you'll see my thought pattern. i'll let you know that i had pushed effen back up into the "not sure" category yesterday and then CT's pointing of effen supposedly "hating binkles" (which is a super strong d2 read to make in a vacuum) looked fishy after binkles was knowingly peeked/tripwired. it looked like effen distancing himself from binkles.
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