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11-16-2012 , 12:35 PM
oh, a quick, necessary, urgent message to anybody that is a possible inexperienced SK if one exists:

you wanna know the quickest way to guarantee that you lose? keep killing villagers at this point. villagers don't know who each other are. wolves do. if you get down to an endgame where the wolves are in good shape, you're ****ed. so the most important thing you can do at this point is leave the strong villagers alive and kill some wolves you've peeked (if you have peeks) or some players on a lot of wolf lists. barring that kill some utrs or resolve wagons but those should be last case scenarios here.

this isn't going well for the village at all early and by proxy that means it's going poorly for you.

the same can probably be said for neutral teams that need to go deep. just remember. wolves know each other. the village doesn't.
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11-16-2012 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boo Radley
binkles, cliffs on today?
Not much br0, I got Montecore mad, DarO is still a pretty likely wolf, and I'm going to bed
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11-16-2012 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by XXsooted
I think it's pretty difficult for a wolf to criticize someone that just did a bunch of work
he's not really criticizing anyone though

he's saying post proof

and if he's a wolf the only proof would be a peek so he is actually seer-hunting as a defense

so i dont see that as villagery or outside or his wolf range
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11-16-2012 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
Not much br0, I got Montecore mad, DarO is still a pretty likely wolf, and I'm going to bed
wait stop before you go...

you get angry about slighted being an easy mislynch and then want to wagon darO? that's... that's cognitive dissonance if i've ever seen it
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11-16-2012 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by vyk07
you're not giving his w0alf game enough credity

what put me over the top is his drop of "consider angeling me tonight br0s" last night

he doesn't do that as a villager in that spot, considering the circumstances. he's not that arrogant

stay the course
I've repeatedly done that as villa actually

search my posts on POG for "angel" and "rand"
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11-16-2012 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vyk07
w0alf gad would be extremely mad and annoyed if I soul read him and was single handedly responsible for his downfall by giving his lynch traction (which if you notice, he is, even going as far as calling me a jackass for daring to have that read on him)

village gad would brush me aside and continue with business as usual, if anything, intensifying his reads on others, instead of slinking off to go a meeting after throwing out an emotional appeal that I must be a jackass for daring to ever believe him being a w0alf

that's a reactionary solidification of my read
this is wrong too

lol at "slinking off to go to a meeting"
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11-16-2012 , 12:40 PM
i just read hold'em's first 15 posts, saw that he had 90 total, and i'm going to declare him a terrible wagon for the day.
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11-16-2012 , 12:40 PM
hey gad, let's crush this game. stop arguing with vyk and help me find some wolves okay?
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11-16-2012 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
i dont think you would have insanity in your top 4 if you looked it over carefully and/or reviewed the stats

i will look at other things but i find it slightly suspicious


just like Gad dissapearing after he realizes i knew he was vig hunting
you're adorable
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11-16-2012 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
I actually just double checked and it goes something like this:

Villagers I'd consider definitively better than Insanity in this game:

Me, Silman, Gadarene

then I think there's a clump afterwards of like Moni, Sando, Euro, Forsy, halfhearted Sooted (from all I've heard fullhearted sooted goes up a category), Vagos and then Hurp and Loosekanen as my dark horse picks

You may not have played with Insanity much but I assure you he's very good

in b4 everyone is insulted
I'm insulted

Sando, Euro, Forsy, and Hurp are all much better villas than I am
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11-16-2012 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
Not much br0, I got Montecore mad, DarO is still a pretty likely wolf, and I'm going to bed
I haven't seen anyone give a single good reason why darO is wolfing.

In fact, you weren't around EoD and you're voting him now. But I haven't seen you explain why.
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11-16-2012 , 12:42 PM
Montecore too
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11-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
last night ashington made a post at like 857 saying sorry he was late. when was his last post before that?
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11-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zdye724
Relax vyk, i'm in the middle of reading insanity.

I need to read Gad again, I thought his posting while playing a donkament was indicative of WIM, everything else was mediocre to me.
it was multiple donkaments iyam

ratchet that WIM factor higher
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11-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
gad, I respect your w0alf game too much to let you have any sort of influence in this village

your choice of d1 wagons were horrendous and your early pressure of me without recourse was incriminatory
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11-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
ok

looks like wolves though shark waas the seer and peeked insanity



i guess?


and if they missed they were strongish players



this would make more sense to me since i dont think insanity really makes sense as a n1 kill
Shark claimed to have peeked insanity wolf

so Shark wasn't a seer hunt
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11-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
insanity was an SPK who was peeked/fakepeeked villa by multiple players. he's an obvious wolf kill if you're doing just that... SPKing. end of story.
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11-16-2012 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Agree that gad is insufferable but I think he's villaging right now based on effort. You disagree?
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Agreed given d1 aids but I think people TRYING to take a look at the lynch deserve a few villa points. Gad has done some of that so far.
First saying gad is "villaging," then he says he "deserves a few villa points." It's like he's negotiating.

I know it looks like it could make sense, he's villaging, and he gets villa points for this thing he did. But I just think it makes Tanner a wolf because wolves are more likely to talk like that and the progression from villaging to "deserves a few villa points" makes sense for a wolf to make. Supporting this theory is that the 2nd post is in reply to a post that isn't about gad at alll...

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Originally Posted by loosekanen
analyzing WHY slighted got lynched is pointless. he posted wolfy enough to be a good wagon d1. analyzing how is only slightly more useful aorn.

Also, for him to reply to this post with a post about gad means he clearly has gad on the mind. It is weird that he would reply to this post and not to any of the posts comprising vyk's crusade against gad which was happening at the same time (the first quoted post above is all there is in re:vyk afaict)
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11-16-2012 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
oh, a quick, necessary, urgent message to anybody that is a possible inexperienced SK if one exists:

you wanna know the quickest way to guarantee that you lose? keep killing villagers at this point. villagers don't know who each other are. wolves do. if you get down to an endgame where the wolves are in good shape, you're ****ed. so the most important thing you can do at this point is leave the strong villagers alive and kill some wolves you've peeked (if you have peeks) or some players on a lot of wolf lists. barring that kill some utrs or resolve wagons but those should be last case scenarios here.

this isn't going well for the village at all early and by proxy that means it's going poorly for you.

the same can probably be said for neutral teams that need to go deep. just remember. wolves know each other. the village doesn't.
this bears emphasis
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11-16-2012 , 12:44 PM
pushing slighted and dar0 on d1 just screams of an easy mislynch opportunity

they're both pushovers in that spot

anyone else that would fit that mold that was on the w0alf team undoubtedly maintained a low profile to avoid early wagon consideration
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11-16-2012 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zdye724
I haven't seen anyone give a single good reason why darO is wolfing.

In fact, you weren't around EoD and you're voting him now. But I haven't seen you explain why.
+1

your experience with effen and dwetzel? meta you can share?
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11-16-2012 , 12:45 PM
People that insanity thought were wolves yesterday:
Euroa
Boo
Tanner
Confirmed Troll

If we want to believe this was a SPK hunt, then it's likely that insanity was on to multiple wolves.

If we want to believe this was a seer hunt, his peek was probably this:

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Originally Posted by insanity31
and im gonna welcome BJLOVE to my villager pile

im worried that i may have a few too many villas, but i feel good about him
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11-16-2012 , 12:45 PM
Tanner is a wolf IMO for being too confident cdl was village
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11-16-2012 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
wait stop before you go...

you get angry about slighted being an easy mislynch and then want to wagon darO? that's... that's cognitive dissonance if i've ever seen it
I'm not angry about slighted, I just thought the flurry of votes on him was interesting given nobody pointed out slighted is a wolfy villager. If I was actively upset about it and thought slighted was an obvious villager or something then I would be doing something about it.

I don't think DarO is a particularly wolfy villager but I remember misreading him in the past. That said, he clearly misread Hold'em given the information in the thread (he said that Hold'em was a wolf when he trolled and stuff and voted him, except Hold'em was actually trying to figure **** out [which I found wolfy, because I thought him figuring **** out was wolfy for him, anyway that's not super important]) and then was around at EOD doing very little while refusing to make a real read on me. He did a lot of "lol binkles" and "I don't want to vote binkles day 1" etc. I think if he were a villager he wouldn't be afraid to outline a case on me even if he were unwilling to vote for me. So I think my read on him easily transcends "lol he's a wolfy villagery" and reaches "well this is legitimately wolfy for DarO or anyone" territory.
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11-16-2012 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Boo Radley
last night ashington made a post at like 857 saying sorry he was late. when was his last post before that?
He had a period where he couldn't post due to the 100-post d1 cap. He hit it early.

Were you phone posting and just not aware of the cap yesterday?
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