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another thought... i tend to think the wolf team is being led by SEers because of the n1 kills which makes it highly unlikely that either gad or binkles is a wolf.

maybe the wolf team only wants it to look like it is led by SEers?

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11-16-2012 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

another thought... i tend to think the wolf team is being led by SEers because of the n1 kills which makes it highly unlikely that either gad or binkles is a wolf.

wtf is this BS

the conclusion should be the exact opposite

SE'ers 100% shoot POG'ers n1

POG'ers aren't going to shoot POG'ers on n1 b/c that only POE's them as the game progresses

this better be a miscontured thought process, otherwise I rescind my read on you

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11-16-2012 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

I submit to you that LKJ was killed by

wait for it

TWO people, so repeatedly asserting that he was killed by "a villager" is incomplete at best

In other words, you have to account for the fact that two people killed LKJ when you, y'know, keep saying that "a villager" killed LKJ

My position is that two people killing LKJ makes it less likely that it was one villa vig and someone else who also happened to target him. Whatever their affiliation, the simplest explanation is that they were working together.

whether its a village vig or a nuetral vig or 2 ppl hitting him doesnt really matter at the moment

tomorrow we will see if someone is also killed by 2 people and we will see if there is another kill that might have hit an angeled player tonight

trying to figure it all out now seems pointless

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11-16-2012 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tchaz

Here, finally.

Through the first 4 pages I've got Shark. LKJ, Forsy, Ash and Kruze as villagery, CDL, Tweedy and Hold'Em suspicious-to-wolfy.

Some of these people could be dead(?).

Why did Bryant Reeves switch from readable caps-locked to the country thing. It's unreadable.

i like that he makes reads in his first post

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p5 - didn't much care for the binkles side of the discussion with silman/zdye over slighted/montecore. Loosekanen villa-y.

Trying to read this end of the thread now. Anyone want to cliffs me in?

gets specific about his reads a bit

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that's helpful.

meh

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Got here a short while ago - 1 hr?

I read ~5pp and posted some impressions. Then tried reading the current end of the thread, but there's not much talk at the moment about details of what's gone on. Apparently asking for information (or possible noun-verbing) is wolfy in Gad's books.

I'm now reading a random page in the middle (16 fwiw) to see if that helps - probably has too much information, if anything, to make things clearer.

seems like he actually is legit catching up when he writes this

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I guess I should vote even though I have no leans on any of the top wagons.

However 3-4 of my villa leans are on Slighted

better this than trying to pretend he really has a read. the honesty is villagery imo

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LKJ, forsy, Ash, Loose (also Shark and Kruze)

answering what his villa leans is

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Lynching me would be bad because I'm a villager.

I only managed to read about half the thread y'day and saw that Loosek was only around for a short time. But my impression of what he did contribute was villa-y and he did say he was not going to be around.

I was somewhat skeptical of Gad for making a flimsy (and false) case on me last night. I remember him t-doming with thedean as a wolf on d1 of ForumWW a couple of months ago and constructing a slew of such cases.
So I looked over his posts after night. His pushes (afaics) were CDL (later back-tracked), Boo, vyk and me (and okse with less detail). But CDL and Boo don't seem bad to me. That just left vyk. I, frankly, didn't see any real arguments, just lots of am/aren't/am/aren't, for the pushing of vyk, but I can be missing something.

I did catch up on his having talked with Euro about the supposed premise for pushing me last night - arriving late & asking for into being a wolf tell - much earlier in the day. I'm torn as to whether that is a wolf foreshadowing to be able to frame utr late arriving non-wolves or whether he really thinks that's a tell.

However the rest of his interactions look ok to me.

So, my conclusion is I'm wary of Gad, but not as much as I thought I might be.

this is a villagery post and not just because it's long

overall I think this guy is pretty villagery
he might only have 7 posts
but those posts are villagery

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11-16-2012 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

maybe the wolf team only wants it to look like it is led by SEers?

which makes it even more unlikely binkles is a wolf. he's too arrogant to play on that level.

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11-16-2012 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

jesus christ

asserting something repeatedly without any shred of evidence is not wolfhunting

But your wolf game is so solid there'd be no evidence, right?

I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm just saying I buy that vyk genuinely thinks you are

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11-16-2012 , 11:52 AM

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I guaranf*ckingtee a POG influenced w0alf team this game

whether that means multiple POG'ers or a few top heavy big names providing leadership, it's a f*cking lock of the century of the week

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11-16-2012 , 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vyk07

I think you're a hairy w0alf and any attempts you make today to try to lead the village needs to be derailed. I have due cause after you were so adamant about last night's atrocious wagons

I didn't say a single word about Slighted or DarO all day, with the exception of my comment about the rush of Slighted votes

please stop concocting nonsense

and if you work to derail me all day, then you're being ridiculously anti-villa

MAKE OTHER READS AND DEVELOP THEM, PLEASE

I'm not going to have you nipping at my f**king heels every time I make a post

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

okse, thoughts on wiper's posting? do you feel he'd be more inclined to hang around as an obligation to a wolf team?

i dont remember reading any of wipers posts

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analyzing WHY slighted got lynched is pointless. he posted wolfy enough to be a good wagon d1. analyzing how is only slightly more useful aorn.

Agreed given d1 aids but I think people TRYING to take a look at the lynch deserve a few villa points. Gad has done some of that so far.

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so you think LKJ was killed by TWO villagers, not "a villager"

correct?

i think you understand exactly what i mean, LKJ was most likely vigged by a villager

i don't need to speculate further into the exact mechanics of the kill

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11-16-2012 , 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

another thought... i tend to think the wolf team is being led by SEers because of the n1 kills which makes it highly unlikely that either gad or binkles is a wolf.

You think Gad or binkles would be less likely to kill SS? I'm kind of confused with your argument here; two of the strongest players in the game not getting nk'd makes me think they're MORE likely to be wolves

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Originally Posted by Montecore

binkles,

have you ever seen me (over)react this way to pressure as a wolf? I'll wait while you pretend to check the database.

I welcome you trying to get me lynched; you may succeed, but you may not (I'm pretty difficult to mislynch too).

I've played in a number of games with slighted, and short of someone (usually me) softpushing him to see how he reacts, he usually makes it through the early days just fine

this is the second time you've made cases about someone that are at best lazy generalizations and at worst intentionally untrue

Let's see, you blew up in Detective Conan by overreacting completely and derped yourself wolf. You couldn't deal with the way I pressured you in Puppies and got stuck into a stupid semantic argument and got lynched. I don't remember any others off the top of my head but don't pretend like you freaking out over not very much is either villagery or out of your wolf range, because it's neither.

We'll have to agree to disagree on slighted, because just about every game I remember playing with him he gets pushed and ends up becoming a main wagon at some point in the day.

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yeah but the line is blurring at this point right? the "zomg let's kill poggers" attitude doesn't permeate nearly as much anymore and definitely not in a game that's almost exclusively been advertised in pog and is being run in pog. so i think this argument holds little weight.

the SE contention playing this game takes it more seriously than the previous SE games just by circumstances alone. when you analyze the playlist i think that's even more evident.

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

jesus christ

asserting something repeatedly without any shred of evidence is not wolfhunting

t0an absolutely counts for evidence

you act like a villager as a w0alf, you p0ast it up, try to direct traffic, interact, you follow the standard template

the way I caught you is that I know deep in my heart that you're gameplay isn't genuine and that you have a hidden agenda to lynch villagers

I know that you're not a villager, I feel it, I can smell it

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11-16-2012 , 11:54 AM

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wiper

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11-16-2012 , 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by okse54

I am examining monikrazy's peculiar contention that one villager killed LKJ.

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But your wolf game is so solid there'd be no evidence, right?

I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm just saying I buy that vyk genuinely thinks you are

this is spaghetti logic or nonresponsive

1) xxsooted says that vyk is "wolfhunting"

2) I ask him for examples, because literally all that vyk is doing is repeating "gad is a hairy woalf" over and over again without offering anything that I can actually respond to

3) just repeating "gad is a hairy woalf" over and over again is NOT WOLFHUNTING. it is not building a case, it is not looking at someone's posts for inconsistencies or interactions or whatever, it is simply trying to be a hero (or trying to tilt me as a wolf) while providing no actual content whatsoever

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11-16-2012 , 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vyk07

I guaranf*ckingtee a POG influenced w0alf team this game

whether that means multiple POG'ers or a few top heavy big names providing leadership, it's a f*cking lock of the century of the week

i'm perfectly willing to agree to disagree here. sando/insanity are viewed as near the cream of the crop of SE players. i think an SE wolf team would kill them first. that's all.

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

I adamantly disagree, although I like the way you fleshed out your thought process

I've w0alfed in several SE/POG mixed games and the pattern I described absolutely was in full effect

the SE heavy w0alf teams that I've been a part of purged any and all POG village leadership first

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11-16-2012 , 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by captain binkles

So I asked for a thunderdome in both of those games, did I? I'm reacting to pressure in exactly the same way? You're being pretty intellectually dishonest right now.

Look, I can handle being pushed for reasons that aren't total bull****; go find some and we can talk about it

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i haven't read shark or insanity for peeks yet and will get around to that, it will make a big difference in likely composition of wolf team if they were coordinated kills or not

for example if a SK killed one of them it vastly changes the analysis, as i would view a wolf team killing insanity n1 very differently from a wolf team killing insanity & shark

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How about we just vote for wolfy people like DarO

I like Silman's mq about tchaz, I found that long post fairly villagery

Silman did you see my thing about Montecore? Sorry if I missed your response

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11-16-2012 , 11:56 AM

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i will say that i feel like gad is playing a lot better than he did in ponymash, which does lend to the theory that he plays a better villa game as a wolf.

whether it's true or not i'm not convinced, but he did state this himself in that game.

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11-16-2012 , 11:57 AM

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Morning thread. I am at dr with a sick kid so I'm not gonna hang around.

I jumped on the tchaz wagon lady night bc I got pulled away, entered thread with couple minutes and saw someone say something about his entrance (maybe monte?) I scrolled back and saw his posts, decided the case was right an voted.

Based on his entrance this morning, I can't imagine myself voting for him again.

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