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just because he may be making a case on you that's wrong doesn't mean he's not wolf hunting

were he a wolf he'd probably choose less formidable game to make a case on

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11-16-2012 , 11:44 AM

#2728

monikrazy

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Originally Posted by XXsooted

if that post is in his wolf range he is an expert wolf

disagree on multiple counts

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11-16-2012 , 11:45 AM

#2729

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Originally Posted by Montecore

Are we really at the point where villabinkles asks others to round out his case on someone that you felt was wolfy enough to push yesterday, but somehow didn't get around to it at EOD?

How about this: we thunderdome today, and when I inevitably get lynched ahead of you because you're WW Jesus, and I flip villager, the village turbo lynches you. Fair?

SLIGHTED TRUMPETS THE FACT THAT HE'S ONE OF THE LEAST MISLYNCHED VILLAGERS ON POG EVERY TIME HE PLAYS. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I wasn't here for EOD. DarO was wolfier and I'm sticking to that, which is why I'm voting him. I want Silman's opinion because it will help me define both his role and your role.

Why on earth would I want to thunderdome you? If I want you lynched I'll just try and get you lynched. This is a pretty big overreaction.

And Slighted's mislynch stats I would think are artificially deflated because he only plays mishmashes where he can get dayvigged, nightvigged or ITA'd and rands/can claim PR quite frequently. Also statistically you're less likely to be lynched in a bigger game.

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11-16-2012 , 11:45 AM

#2730

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Originally Posted by Montecore

This is a solid post

i can do this sporadically as a villager

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11-16-2012 , 11:45 AM

#2731

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Originally Posted by Montecore

These are my notes as I'm catching up:

silman -- seems more villagery than he seemed in MLP (when he was a villager). this is only my second game with him so I'm not sure if he's one of those people that tries hard to be villagery as a wolf, but absent evidence to the contrary I'm going to lean villager on him

vmf's entrance into the thread is villagery, and yes, it's probably influenced by the fact he's fakepeeking me villager; it's also influenced by the fact that he came right into the thread making strong, definitive (maybe even slightly spazzy) reads, which wolfVMF is less likely to do ime.

not sure I buy tweedy's pushing of vagos but I like where his heads at

no real lean on hurp, if pushed i'd say villager but meh

bryant/henrik's posting style is so annoying that i'm not even reading it; hopefully that's not a mistake

forsy continues to be mega villagery

boo's trolly entrance probably role neutral, duck voting him for "laying lost wolf cover" is pretty bad considering boo did the same act last game as a villager

wiper entrance seems awkward, specifically his wtfing about his role seemed slightly forced, and a relatively facile thing to do being that multiple people in the thread had already done so early in the thread, which he's no doubt seen. not sure what significance, if any, to attach to his posting the same thing twice

duckburg's interaction with boo is villagery, and also more substantial than anything he did in MLP

caught up now

first reads list he makes, doesn't mention slighted at all

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Originally Posted by Montecore

I can always get behind a slighted lynch

has he been back to the thread?

seems like he likes lynching slighted rather than he thinks slighted is a wolf particularly

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Originally Posted by Montecore

alright I just checked, he's pretty much done nothing since he came back

slighted

seems like he wanted to vote slighted first, then looked for the reason

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Originally Posted by Montecore

the fact that there's nothing there is the damning part

also villaslighted would have gotten more butthurt that my vote was "still on him" when he came back (it was a vote count error)

he often posts sporadically but there's usually actual content

acknowledges the jokevote->wolfread though by mentioning that he had left a vote there
has settled on calling slighted a wolf strongly

it's not really the jokevote/seriousvote merging tell
but it does look kinda dodgy I guess

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11-16-2012 , 11:46 AM

#2732

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Originally Posted by tchaz

Lynching me would be bad because I'm a villager.

I was somewhat skeptical of Gad for making a flimsy (and false) case on me last night. I remember him t-doming with thedean as a wolf on d1 of ForumWW a couple of months ago and constructing a slew of such cases.
So I looked over his posts after night. His pushes (afaics) were CDL (later back-tracked), Boo, vyk and me (and okse with less detail). But CDL and Boo don't seem bad to me. That just left vyk. I, frankly, didn't see any real arguments, just lots of am/aren't/am/aren't, for the pushing of vyk

So, my conclusion is I'm wary of Gad, but not as much as I thought I might be.

dude we got f*cked with countless village wagons last night

I'm calling for brand new ones today and starting a gadarene wagon should be a priority

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11-16-2012 , 11:46 AM

#2733

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Obviously insanity needs to be re-read since his reads were probably solid. Killing Sando and insanity doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me from the wolves' perspective.

also players like forsy and binkles should be dealt with more carefully since they're both still alive

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11-16-2012 , 11:46 AM

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I'm going to be around today for most of the day, but somewhat on and off (irl stuff). So no building cases on lack of insta responses please.

Unfortunately some of my villa read got done away with in the night. I did pick up a few more leans overnight. (No strong wolf leans.) In no particular order:

villas

BJL, dar0, maybe silman , to add to Forsy, Ash, Kruze and Loosek

+s and -s

TN - i liked her take on CDL's reaction rather than Kruze's peek, didn't like her jumping on my wagon

Gad - talked about him in my prev

Boo-ing

Boo

not particularly happy with

binkles, hold'em, tweedy, maybe moni

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11-16-2012 , 11:46 AM

#2735

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as far as this slighted never gets mislynched argument, this is really the first i've heard of it

if someone brought this up yesterday it would have been more relevant then

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11-16-2012 , 11:46 AM

#2736

vyk07

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I'm reading silman and loosekanen as villagers right now

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11-16-2012 , 11:47 AM

#2737

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

nothing about this flavor suggests the 2 men had evil intentions and it makes sense for balance that village would have a vig

so i am pretty much assuming LKJ/Noze was killed by a villager

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

You're assuming that LKJ/Noze was killed by A VILLAGER? Think about this question hard before answering it.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

i all ready answered this

and my answer is still yes

don't make this weird

I submit to you that LKJ was killed by

wait for it

TWO people, so repeatedly asserting that he was killed by "a villager" is incomplete at best

In other words, you have to account for the fact that two people killed LKJ when you, y'know, keep saying that "a villager" killed LKJ

My position is that two people killing LKJ makes it less likely that it was one villa vig and someone else who also happened to target him. Whatever their affiliation, the simplest explanation is that they were working together.

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11-16-2012 , 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tchaz

I'm going to be around today for most of the day, but somewhat on and off (irl stuff). So no building cases on lack of insta responses please.

Unfortunately some of my villa read got done away with in the night. I did pick up a few more leans overnight. (No strong wolf leans.) In no particular order:

villas

BJL, dar0, maybe silman , to add to Forsy, Ash, Kruze and Loosek

+s and -s

TN - i liked her take on CDL's reaction rather than Kruze's peek, didn't like her jumping on my wagon

Gad - talked about him in my prev

Boo-ing

Boo

not particularly happy with

binkles, hold'em, tweedy, maybe moni

perhaps you can explain what that means, because i have no idea

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11-16-2012 , 11:47 AM

#2739

Gadarene

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

Gadarene

is not wolfhunting

I've done far more than you have already

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11-16-2012 , 11:48 AM

#2740

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okse, thoughts on wiper's posting? do you feel he'd be more inclined to hang around as an obligation to a wolf team?

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11-16-2012 , 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by XXsooted

if that post is in his wolf range he is an expert wolf

give me examples of him wolfhunting, please

you said he was wolfhunting

I would like examples

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11-16-2012 , 11:48 AM

#2742

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Originally Posted by captain binkles

binkles,

have you ever seen me (over)react this way to pressure as a wolf? I'll wait while you pretend to check the database.

I welcome you trying to get me lynched; you may succeed, but you may not (I'm pretty difficult to mislynch too).

I've played in a number of games with slighted, and short of someone (usually me) softpushing him to see how he reacts, he usually makes it through the early days just fine

this is the second time you've made cases about someone that are at best lazy generalizations and at worst intentionally untrue

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11-16-2012 , 11:49 AM

#2743

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Originally Posted by tweedybirdd

yeah because the exact same thing isn't true for dar0 every game

I'm not really sure about dar0, but if you actually felt strongly about slighted not being lynched, I would've liked to have seen you derail the wagon.

Read the reasons DarO used to call Hold'em a wolf on page 2 or 3 or whatever it was, and then read Hold'ems posts yourself. Then come back to me. You're the one who did the analysis on what Hold'ems wolf game looks like.

And:

1. I wasn't around at EOD
2. DarO was lead wagon when I left
3. I didn't feel strongly either way about Slighted, I was just pointing out that I didn't like the way it took off. If I felt like he was an obvious villager I would be tearing people limb from limb to get to the bottom of it.

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Originally Posted by XXsooted

the gad post and a post or 2 by him from last night

Do you have any other thoughts atm? Thanks

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11-16-2012 , 11:49 AM

#2744

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Originally Posted by Montecore

just because he may be making a case on you that's wrong doesn't mean he's not wolf hunting

were he a wolf he'd probably choose less formidable game to make a case on

jesus christ

asserting something repeatedly without any shred of evidence is not wolfhunting

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11-16-2012 , 11:49 AM

#2745

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

this

plus sooted doesnt post d1 EVER anymore

i am making a point of voting him for it, mods shouldnt even let him play

XXsooted -- can you comment on this?

This is our first time playing together. Do you always do this on d1 of each game you play? Why, just some bad experiences getting mislynched in the past?

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11-16-2012 , 11:49 AM

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another thought... i tend to think the wolf team is being led by SEers because of the n1 kills which makes it highly unlikely that either gad or binkles is a wolf.

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11-16-2012 , 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

i see what your getting at but i think it is unlikely 2 separate factions targeted LKJ, i think when that happens it is differentiated more clearly in the writeup

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11-16-2012 , 11:50 AM

#2748

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Votes as of post 2747
Night in 10:11
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Gadarene	Monikrazy (11), vyk07 (14), XXsooted (7)
3	tchaz	accobra_kid (7), KruZe (2), Montecore (15)
2	wiper	loosekanen (8), nutshot2 (3)
1	darO	captain binkles (16)
1	okse54	Silman (8)
24	not voting	okse54 (12), confirmedtroll (5), tchaz (2), tweedybirdd (3), wiper (1), zdye724 (2), Ashington (2), BAIDS (0), BJLTNYK (0), Boo Radley (0), Bryant Reeves (0), darO (0), Duckburg (1), DWetzel (0), Effen (0), Eurotrash (0), Forsythio (0), Gadarene (22), Hold'em 07 (0), Outed Wolf (0), Richard Tanner (8), TheNothing (0), Vagos (0), VarianceMinefield (0)

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11-16-2012 , 11:50 AM

#2749

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

what cause?

and you're being a jackass because that was a good faith attempt at wagon analysis and you called it fabricated BS for no particular reason at all

I called it fabricated BS, b/c that's exactly what it was

I already know I'm a f*cking villager and you're sitting there hyper analysing the flurry of slighted's lead wagon flurry of votes, as if it's any more incriminating than handpicking any of the other probably village wagons we had that night

I think you're a hairy w0alf and any attempts you make today to try to lead the village needs to be derailed. I have due cause after you were so adamant about last night's atrocious wagons

deal with it like a man

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11-16-2012 , 11:50 AM

#2750

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

i see what your getting at but i think it is unlikely 2 separate factions targeted LKJ, i think when that happens it is differentiated more clearly in the writeup

so you think LKJ was killed by TWO villagers, not "a villager"

correct?

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