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11-13-2011 , 04:58 PM
OMgggggggg monkey banana is playingggggg.

MB could you link me to that wolf game of Soah's? Would love to read it when I get the chance.

FWIW I think homer tends to enter threads with a bang but I haven't played with him in a while.
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11-13-2011 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr
Great questions AKSpartan!


1) Yes, the seer should not leave peeks.
So they're just banking super hard on not getting NKd and then outing themselves at some point and listing their peeks?

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr
2) We want strong villagers to leave peeks because they are very likely to be NKd early (N1 and possibly N2) as strong player kills even if the wolves don't think they are the seer. This way, for the brief period of time they are in the game, they can greatly help the village by getting killed with correct fakepeeks and giving us lots of information through what the village can reasonably deduce are seer hunt cleared villagers and seer hunt implicated wolves.
Then how do we know if they were killed for fakepeeking correctly or just for being strong players? Seems like the information wouldn't be reliable.

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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr
3) If no one leaves peeks weaker villagers are likely to get killed just as much as the strong when the wolves elect to seer hunt (almost always). If everyone leaves peeks the stronger players are more likely to get killed because they are more likely to have correct peeks. More importantly, the seer is not likely to get killed unless the wolves are particularly seasoned and can hunt on tone alone.
This doesn't answer my question, unless I'm mistaken in thinking that you're advocating that ONLY strong players should be leaving peeks. It seems to me that everyone should be leaving fake peeks. And even if we wanted to follow this strategy, wouldn't it be incredibly transparent to the wolves as they can read this discussion about hiding the seers?
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11-13-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
I'm going to get some wolfy posting out of the way at the start as part of my new "Transparent Wolfing" policy designed to avoid running afoul of any Werewolf Fraud laws.

The first order of business is to tell you that I'm probably going to miss night on Tuesday.

The second order of business is to tell you that I'm probably going to just lurk until the day is halfway over. This is either because I'm a wolf and it's easier to wolf if you don't have to post anything, or because I believe that listening is more valuable than speaking, and threads with fewer posts are better than threads with lots of posts. But I'm not going to tell you which one.

I now return you to everyone else posting incoherently.
You may think you're being cute but you're rocketing up my wolf list.
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11-13-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Supine
Sup. Don't expect much posting from me today or tomorrow.
wolfiest post so far
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11-13-2011 , 05:12 PM
Which is a pretty bad way to go if you're a villager OR a wolf.
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11-13-2011 , 05:12 PM
Hi Cracked

Hope you're a villager this time.

It was actually soah's last game. Here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...worth-1120997/

I'm not reading too much into it because maybe it's villager soah's idea of a clever tarp, to get people talking about him and then discern their roles from their reactions. On the other hand, could be wolf soah's way to get villagers talking about him, who is likely to get halfway ruled, and not hunt his teammates.

I realise either way that here I am, talking about him, and I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that I am like soah's puppet, so that's going to be all I have to say about it.

What I also want to say about Homer's plan is that it makes absolutely no sense to say on the one hand that wolves may SPK a player even if they don't think he's seer, yet on the other that player should leave peeks, which would help us because they might be right.

So basically, if I have this straight, Homer's plan is to have only strong players (whoever they might be) leave peeks that we should take at face value, giving the wolves the twofer of killing a strong player and potential FPS when the strong player misreads a wolf?

Hmmmm.
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11-13-2011 , 05:13 PM
So is the pro approach to this game to openly say you're not going to post, and leave people wondering if you're the village ass**** or some wolf who thinks he's super sly?
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11-13-2011 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Which is a pretty bad way to go if you're a villager OR a wolf.
Hi, we haven't played together, afaik. Would you characterise yourself as someone who can get your wolf suspects lynched then?

Are you someone Homer would consider a strong player?
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11-13-2011 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
Hi, we haven't played together, afaik. Would you characterise yourself as someone who can get your wolf suspects lynched then?

Are you someone Homer would consider a strong player?
I've only played one proper game. I struggled mightily to avoid being mislynched near the end of the game (and failed). The wolves hid so well that the village had no strong suspects and just repeatedly lynched villagers.
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11-13-2011 , 05:23 PM
It's very early, but we haven't heard from these guys yet:

Aksdal
Bremen
Chrja
Gadarene
MrGatito
shanks
UAW710
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11-13-2011 , 05:25 PM
It's a slow game so let's not stress about people posting in the first couple of hours.
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11-13-2011 , 05:28 PM
It's somewhat ironic because I accidentally missed the first day and a half of the last game I played in. I'm just bored.
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11-13-2011 , 05:30 PM
No one in wolfchat? ;-)
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11-13-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
I'm going to get some wolfy posting out of the way at the start as part of my new "Transparent Wolfing" policy designed to avoid running afoul of any Werewolf Fraud laws.

The first order of business is to tell you that I'm probably going to miss night on Tuesday.

The second order of business is to tell you that I'm probably going to just lurk until the day is halfway over. This is either because I'm a wolf and it's easier to wolf if you don't have to post anything, or because I believe that listening is more valuable than speaking, and threads with fewer posts are better than threads with lots of posts. But I'm not going to tell you which one.

I now return you to everyone else posting incoherently.
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Sup. Don't expect much posting from me today or tomorrow.
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No one in wolfchat? ;-)
Hmm....
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11-13-2011 , 05:49 PM
I just woke up from 15 hours of interrupted sleep

its dark out already
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11-13-2011 , 05:50 PM
uninterrupted^
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11-13-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
Hi, we haven't played together, afaik. Would you characterise yourself as someone who can get your wolf suspects lynched then?

Are you someone Homer would consider a strong player?
I was a wolf in the one game he played and we owned him pretty hard. He played well in a turbo I was in with him though.
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11-13-2011 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 425kid
I was a wolf in the one game he played and we owned him pretty hard. He played well in a turbo I was in with him though.
Yeah, because everyone thought I was a wolf and did dumb things because of that. You didn't own me, the village was just awful and massacred itself with wolfiness and lack of participation. I had you figured out by the end but it didn't even matter.
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11-13-2011 , 05:59 PM
By the way guys, in that game 425kid was, as a wolf, HIGHLY hostile (and very ass****ish)to any sort of village inquiry that came towards finding the wolves or called any of the wolves into doubt, and very aggressive in trying to label me as a wolf and wagoning me in the last couple crucial days for asking the right questions.
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11-13-2011 , 06:01 PM
I'm always hostile.
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11-13-2011 , 06:03 PM
You were selectively hostile as a wolf though.
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11-13-2011 , 06:04 PM
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I'm always hostile.
Well, try not to be. The last slow game I played in was quite the trial.
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11-13-2011 , 06:15 PM
I had a dream last night where I was running a marathon, but I kept convincing myself that there were shortcuts that I was supposed to take. But the shortcuts were never shortcuts and I would just end up running down a hill and into a cave then having to turn around and run back. Then when I would get back to the course I'd forget which way I'm supposed to run, so I'd run one way and then I'd see ppl running the opposite direction as me so I'd turn around, then I'd run into more people running teh way I was originally running. I think I wouldn't let myself wake up until I finished.
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11-13-2011 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
It's very early, but we haven't heard from these guys yet:

Aksdal
Bremen
Chrja
Gadarene
MrGatito
shanks
UAW710
.
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11-13-2011 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerNoonJr
Great questions AKSpartan!


1) Yes, the seer should not leave peeks.

2) We want strong villagers to leave peeks because they are very likely to be NKd early (N1 and possibly N2) as strong player kills even if the wolves don't think they are the seer. This way, for the brief period of time they are in the game, they can greatly help the village by getting killed with correct fakepeeks and giving us lots of information through what the village can reasonably deduce are seer hunt cleared villagers and seer hunt implicated wolves.

3) If no one leaves peeks weaker villagers are likely to get killed just as much as the strong when the wolves elect to seer hunt (almost always). If everyone leaves peeks the stronger players are more likely to get killed because they are more likely to have correct peeks. More importantly, the seer is not likely to get killed unless the wolves are particularly seasoned and can hunt on tone alone.
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
What I also want to say about Homer's plan is that it makes absolutely no sense to say on the one hand that wolves may SPK a player even if they don't think he's seer, yet on the other that player should leave peeks, which would help us because they might be right.

So basically, if I have this straight, Homer's plan is to have only strong players (whoever they might be) leave peeks that we should take at face value, giving the wolves the twofer of killing a strong player and potential FPS when the strong player misreads a wolf?

Hmmmm.
Yeah, it seems like this strategy basically stronghands the wolves into a SPK on n1 that would normally happen anyway. And it removes the chance that the wolves could toneread a non legendary villager as seer when he isn't and deprive the village of a strongly SHC'd player. And like MB said, SPKs do less to SHC players than strictly SHK so basically your strategy lets the wolves eliminate the strong players early while giving the village to doubt early SHC players

Does anyone know if Homer is thinks hes the **** at wovling/tone reading?
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