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Masrin, there is only one other way that I know of, to know if someome recieves a pm, (though not accurate)

and thats being a tracker, yet goofball contradicts you

I called this wifom as soon as I saw it, and now that I think about it, why didnt you die last phase goofball??? Are people really dumb, to not pick up the fact you softed tracker in this whine, and now mastin has been seer'd green and cc's you... answers from anyone please, but maf im goofball/AP

I ain't no tracker.

Mastin claimed tracker? Where

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09-09-2013 , 10:03 PM

#1977

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Originally Posted by mastin2

Are you familiar with the concept of Occam's Razor? (Ockham's Razor, or however you spell it.)

The simplest solution is most likely to be correct.

Which is simpler? Foolishness is scum, who is faking a guilty on either a scumbuddy or a townie, who is claiming just to survive for a bit longer when ultimately that claim will backfire because there are too many town players alive and too many dead scum...

...Or that Foolishness is town, telling the truth, who has just netted us the fourth scum? Leaving a meager 3/18 left.

It's a simple matter of math, really. Foolishness is not a lynch candidate. Not today, not tomorrow, pretty much never. Because (1) Foolishness is telling the truth and is town, and (2) even if Foolishness were lying, the info from Foolishness's results can be used for at least two or three more days, by my math, before it's a risk.

Don't patronize me please. None of this is the point. Even if mango was 90% wolf, which he isn't, you still don't lynch him. It's simply the wrong strategy as a whole.

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09-09-2013 , 10:04 PM

#1978

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Originally Posted by mastin2

Are you familiar with the concept of Occam's Razor? (Ockham's Razor, or however you spell it.)

Are you familiar with the fact that people can lie?

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Originally Posted by mastin2

Foolishness is not a lynch candidate. Not today, not tomorrow, pretty much never. Because (1) Foolishness is telling the truth and is town, and (2) even if Foolishness were lying, the info from Foolishness's results can be used for at least two or three more days, by my math, before it's a risk.

Is your math including Foolishness's mafia vigilante kills?

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09-09-2013 , 10:04 PM

#1979

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Originally Posted by mastin2

It's a simple matter of math, really. Foolishness is not a lynch candidate. Not today, not tomorrow, pretty much never. Because (1) Foolishness is telling the truth and is town, and (2) even if Foolishness were lying, the info from Foolishness's results can be used for at least two or three more days, by my math, before it's a risk.

Thank you for setting those noobs straight better than me.

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09-09-2013 , 10:05 PM

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No one is even saying to lynch foolish. It's YOU guys who are talking about that. I'm saying, don't lynch mango right now.

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09-09-2013 , 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Athexx

You're really so keen on letting the mafia vigilante get free shots at everyone?

And this is an appeal to fear in its purest form. What makes Foolishness for sure lying, what makes Foolishness for sure the mafia vig? Nothing, and nothing.

What makes Foolishness a seer/cop? The timing of the claim (it is early), the analysis which followed (it shows that he's town and thinking things through, and wasn't claiming to save himself), the results, and how it'd be basically suicidal to pull as scum.

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09-09-2013 , 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Athexx

Are you familiar with the fact that people can lie?

At this stage of the game it would be a kamikaze move. It is not. Please stop talking about this.

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Is your math including Foolishness's mafia vigilante kills?

Isn't the mafia kill a factional power?

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09-09-2013 , 10:06 PM

#1983

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Originally Posted by traz

No one is even saying to lynch foolish. It's YOU guys who are talking about that. I'm saying, don't lynch mango right now.

I'm saying lynch Foolish.

Because he's mafia.

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09-09-2013 , 10:07 PM

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ok besides athexx hah

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09-09-2013 , 10:07 PM

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TheMango Nana7 (33), Blood Fox (4), mastin2 (37), Magic no wait UDFK (30), Foolishness (1)

One scum is bus'ing and I would say that's Blood Fox.

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09-09-2013 , 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mastin2

Foolishness was a lynch candidate today just as he was yesterday. He managed to escape yesterday, but a number of us still thought he was a top remaining suspect.

So he makes a claim to get himself off the hook and let him use his vig kill once more.

The timing of his claim and its content (including his view choices), not to mention lack of followup, is exactly why I am certain he is mafia.

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09-09-2013 , 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball

At this stage of the game it would be a kamikaze move. It is not. Please stop talking about this.

Why is anything a kamikaze move when he was leading the lynch yesterday and was likely to be in the hotseat still today?

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Isn't the mafia kill a factional power?

Yes but the vigilante kill is not.

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09-09-2013 , 10:10 PM

#1988

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If foolish is a mafia vig, he actually gets 2 more kills probably. Tonight and tomorrow after we lynch mango.

Foolish was going to die today probably. If he is a power role then a fake makes perfect sense.

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09-09-2013 , 10:12 PM

#1989

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Originally Posted by traz

Agreed.

It's blindly obvious that he's mafia and so there's no reason to go with the "safe" play of lynching Mango.

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09-09-2013 , 10:13 PM

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The vote shenanigans yesterday belie that theory.

Put your paranoia aside.

If Mango flips town - and he will not - Foolishness will be targeted by town from every direction. It would be a really stupid move from Foolishness.

We're not lynching Foolishness we're lynching Mango.

Anyone mentioning harming Foolishness BEFORE we have an official Mango flip gets 50 scum points redeemable for votes when the fancy strikes me.

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09-09-2013 , 10:14 PM

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Yawn. Still ignoring everything that I'm saying.

All of those things you said will just happen tomorrow. They don't have to happen today.

This isn't paranoia. It's called logic.

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09-09-2013 , 10:14 PM

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Athexx if you speak of lynching Foolishness one more time today, I will unleash my 1-shot disembowel power on you tonight.

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09-09-2013 , 10:15 PM

#1993

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Also goofball, how about you answer all the questions regarding AP? Quit dancing around

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09-09-2013 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by traz

Yawn. Still ignoring everything that I'm saying.

All of those things you said will just happen tomorrow. They don't have to happen today.

This isn't paranoia. It's called logic.

Mango gets deaded today. This is unconditional.

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09-09-2013 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Athexx

The problem is, you're assuming Foolishness is scum, and assuming Foolishness is the scum-vig, when both are coming purely from you, and neither have any basis in fact.

And it doesn't even make sense. Foolishness exposes himself for taking out 1-3 extra town players? That's not a trade worth making, when he can simply talk (or lurk) his way out of a lynch.

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09-09-2013 , 10:15 PM

#1996

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Originally Posted by traz

Also goofball, how about you answer all the questions regarding AP? Quit dancing around

What question

Show me

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09-09-2013 , 10:17 PM

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Yeah I'm sure you're going to bully me into following you.

So yeah. About AP. What's the deal? Or you gonna post some more strong sentences to intimidate me?

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09-09-2013 , 10:17 PM

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Hey Mastin

Is Athexx scum or what?

He wants to lynch Foolishness so that he doesn't have to worry about doc-protects and trackers if he has to shoot Foolish tonight?

Or is Athexx trying to save his buddy Mango the mafia vig???