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09-09-2013 , 09:53 PM
Had Mango as scum even before foolishness' post, I think we should lynch him today.
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09-09-2013 , 09:54 PM
Let me say this as well. There are probably too many unknown role possibilities to let Foolish live more than one free night. If him and mango are both alive tomorrow then we can kill one of them then.
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09-09-2013 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
Verbal32 (3), TaylorFitz (4), Blood Fox (6), AngryPidgeon (6)

There is one scum here.

It's not Verbal.

Blood Fox or my favorite lurkerbird AngryPidgeon.
So you don't KNOW if AP is a wolf? I thought you said you did?
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09-09-2013 , 09:55 PM
Or, we do the smart thing and force the scum to kill him or let him continue getting results. Results that can continue to net scum.
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09-09-2013 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by traz
goofball and mastin pretty much need to spit it out if they have anything on AP because skirting around the issue is lame
We know him as if we assembled his atoms together.
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09-09-2013 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by traz
Um because you could be listening to someone who is lying?

The benefit of putting it off is:

a) We don't listen to someone who could be lying.
b) We get more information to possibly make a more correct decision tomorrow.

Once again, pretty much no downside....
I don't see how we have any better info tomorrow than we have right now.

Downside is lynching another townie.
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09-09-2013 , 09:56 PM
There are too many unknown roles. We won't know what's happening. We kill him tomorrow.

I've been in games where someone has fake claimed seer as a wolf and then gone on to win. Don't do that.
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09-09-2013 , 09:56 PM
No one is asking Foolishness any questions.

Foolishness, why did you peek who you peeked?

What was the order of your peeks? Did you leave any clues?

Why would you view Mango when he was so vocal against you in particular?
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09-09-2013 , 09:56 PM
I'm pretty certain this claim is false. Foolishness is mafia. He's probably the mafia vigilante.
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09-09-2013 , 09:57 PM
I totally believe Foolish there is no point in even questioning this type of claim under these circumstances at this stage of the game.

Correct play is Mango.
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09-09-2013 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nana7
I don't see how we have any better info tomorrow than we have right now.

Downside is lynching another townie.
We have better information because more people will die. Wolves will have to search for seers. Some of our village power roles may find out stuff. There is LOTS that can happen over night. At worst, we will have the same info. At best, we will have more.

The downside of lynching another townie is not a true downside because we have that same risk every single day. It is a non-argument.
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09-09-2013 , 09:57 PM
And, yes, that assumes the claim is true, because again, you'd have to be stupid to make that claim and even stupider to not believe it. :P

But it still holds true even if Foolishness were faking. We force the scum to either expose Foolishness as a liar, or let Foolishness continue faking results that can be used to lynch his scumbuddies.
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09-09-2013 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
I totally believe Foolish there is no point in even questioning this type of claim under these circumstances at this stage of the game.

Correct play is Mango.
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09-09-2013 , 09:58 PM
Foolish took off.
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09-09-2013 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mastin2
Or, we do the smart thing and force the scum to kill him or let him continue getting results. Results that can continue to net scum.
That is very correct.

We are not EVER lynching Foolishness I hope this is very clear to everyone.
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09-09-2013 , 09:58 PM
Masrin, there is only one other way that I know of, to know if someome recieves a pm, (though not accurate)

and thats being a tracker, yet goofball contradicts you
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
Hey fank what happened to your night action?

Foolishness
I called this wifom as soon as I saw it, and now that I think about it, why didnt you die last phase goofball??? Are people really dumb, to not pick up the fact you softed tracker in this whine, and now mastin has been seer'd green and cc's you... answers from anyone please, but maf im goofball/AP
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09-09-2013 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
I totally believe Foolish there is no point in even questioning this type of claim under these circumstances at this stage of the game.

Correct play is Mango.
I don't care what you think the correct play is, Foolish is lying and I guarantee he won't have any decent response to my questions.
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09-09-2013 , 09:59 PM
Traz, sometimes what you are thinking baffles me.
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09-09-2013 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nana7
Foolish took off.

Because he's scum.
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09-09-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nana7
Foolish took off.
Doesn't matter. When a player goes 1 vs. 1 early in the game you just got for it.

If Mango flips town, and he sure as hell won't, Foolish is dead man walking.

However I am not worried.

BloodFox AND AngryPidgeon are scum.
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09-09-2013 , 10:00 PM
Votes from post 1723 to post 1969
Night in 22:00:53

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VotesLynchVoters
5 TheMango Nana7 (33), Blood Fox (4), mastin2 (37), Magic no wait UDFK (30), Foolishness (1)
3 Foolishness TheMango (18), traz (30), Athexx (15)
1 AngryPidgeon DrippingGoofball (12)
1 Magic no wait UDFK TaylorFitz (3)
7 not voting Verbal32 (8), Murska (0), MNOWAX (0), fank009 (8), chrja (0), Anstonio (1), AngryPidgeon (0)
1 Error marvellosity (43)
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09-09-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
That is very correct.

We are not EVER lynching Foolishness I hope this is very clear to everyone.
You're really so keen on letting the mafia vigilante get free shots at everyone?
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09-09-2013 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DrippingGoofball
That is very correct.

We are not EVER lynching Foolishness I hope this is very clear to everyone.
This is not necessarily true. Many things could happen to change this.

a) Mango or someone else could counter
b) Somebody else could find out the role of mango/foolish
c) Mango could die at night
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09-09-2013 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nana7
Traz, sometimes what you are thinking baffles me.
ok? I've answered all your questions with logic imo.
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09-09-2013 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by traz
There are too many unknown roles. We won't know what's happening. We kill him tomorrow.

I've been in games where someone has fake claimed seer as a wolf and then gone on to win. Don't do that.
Are you familiar with the concept of Occam's Razor? (Ockham's Razor, or however you spell it.)

The simplest solution is most likely to be correct.

Which is simpler? Foolishness is scum, who is faking a guilty on either a scumbuddy or a townie, who is claiming just to survive for a bit longer when ultimately that claim will backfire because there are too many town players alive and too many dead scum...

...Or that Foolishness is town, telling the truth, who has just netted us the fourth scum? Leaving a meager 3/18 left.

It's a simple matter of math, really. Foolishness is not a lynch candidate. Not today, not tomorrow, pretty much never. Because (1) Foolishness is telling the truth and is town, and (2) even if Foolishness were lying, the info from Foolishness's results can be used for at least two or three more days, by my math, before it's a risk.
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