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09-03-2013 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mastin2
Why single out Cyan? I've given just as little reasoning on Cyan as on anybody else. :P

But yes, it's gut. All my reads at this point pretty much are. (For instance, you being town.)

Vote: fank009.
As it apparently didn't take before.
Well your other reads/leans I could see/guess the underlying thoughts, whereas your cyan one seemed less solid to me, as his one post is a pretty easy one for a baddie to make. So I was curious as to whether you actually found that post somewhat villagery or whether it was a gut thing or something else.

Also I'll have actual thoughts to add on other things later, I swear :P
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09-03-2013 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Devourer
<b>UnFoS Taylor</b>. I'm not new to the concept of acting strangely to bait; I've seen it done by others in the past and have even done it myself.
And I think it's a rotting pile of horse manure to explain his acting strangely as "bait." The real reason for acting odd is having received a scum role PM.

vote: TaylorFitz
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09-03-2013 , 11:47 PM
His read on Cyan, and the way it was presented, seems fine to me. I'll let him explain why, but I suspect I know the answer.
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09-03-2013 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
If the highlighted is true, then why did you explain it so fast rather than giving it some time to play out? A trap isn't much of a trap if you remove it before more than a couple people ever even had a chance to fall in it.
Exactly, It leads to the intent of the move, and when combined with the fact that the trap was pulled, for supposedly going to bed, doesnt it mean that Taylor is scared of it getting out of hand? Wouldnt it make more sense to try and snag more into the trap? Only maf would only catch a handful. Why go for a stray wolf when you can possibly get the whole pack?
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09-03-2013 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
His read on Cyan, and the way it was presented, seems fine to me. I'll let him explain why, but I suspect I know the answer.
I'd be much more inclined to vote for Cyan than Mastin, I was more curious about if I'd missed something along the way

Verbal
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09-03-2013 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Devourer
(Nana)

Why exactly would attempting to look a certain way always be bad?

I'm not the type to proclaim that someone is town with certainty, but Athexx's question about masons makes him almost certainly town. While I agree that posts like his would generally be null, if he had been scum, he would likely know what chats were used, and as a result, be less likely to ask said question.
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(Taylor)

<b>UnFoS Taylor</b>. I find this believable enough for now. I'm not new to the concept of acting strangely to bait; I've seen it done by others in the past and have even done it myself.

The reason why I didn't note it was because I didn't want to jump to conclusions and provide an answer before I got one.

Which then leads to the question, how much of what you did was real and how much was acting?

The top part is honestly a basic tactic for a scum player that is new. Like I've been in QuickTopics (an external site we use so the scum players and masons can communicate) and have told first time scum players to ask questions like that. Generally they quote a post where "QT" is mentioned and they ask what that is.

Also why would a town player care how scum players talk to each other. I don't have a clue how this site does it and I couldn't care less as it has no impact on the game whatsoever.

The other questions about how roles work don't indicate alignment either. Sure he isn't sure how a new site uses these certain roles. He wouldn't know that if he's town and he wouldn't know that if he was scum.

Now I'm going to bed and to get a good's night rest in preparation of my legal studies. I will end my night with this statement.

If you lynch me I will sue you in 3 years when I'm a lawyer.
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09-04-2013 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fank009
Exactly, It leads to the intent of the move, and when combined with the fact that the trap was pulled, for supposedly going to bed, doesnt it mean that Taylor is scared of it getting out of hand? Wouldnt it make more sense to try and snag more into the trap? Only maf would only catch a handful. Why go for a stray wolf when you can possibly get the whole pack?
Yeah because the whole pack would make themselves obvious on D1.
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09-04-2013 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TaylorFitz
See that's why I did it.

It's something that scum think they could get me lynched over but realistically it's probably enough not to get lynched.
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Originally Posted by TaylorFitz
Because I'm going to sleep in 20 minutes and have school in the morning.
Okay, but it's 90 minutes between these two posts. So that's at least 90 more minutes you could have waited to see how things played out.

The other issue I'm having with this story is that when I look back at the original post in question, I don't see anything special about it. I don't understand why it would be likely (in your opinion) to attract votes, nor do I see anything that looks like you were putting yourself out there or being weird in a way that does make it look like you were just trying to get reactions.

So, it's a tough sell. Your posts have left me puzzled -- I'm having a hard time figuring out what you have been trying to accomplish, regardless of your role.
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09-04-2013 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mastin2
And while I said I'm online, right now, I'm actually starving, so I'll probably be leaving to eat. (Something I'm actually well-known for on the other site I play on is that I. am. ALWAYS. hungry. And often skip/delay meals in order to do analysis. Which means I should have eaten supper something like half an hour ago. :P)

Buuuuuut, I have to say, either we're really in-synch, or I need to get paranoid about DGB and AP's reads so perfectly being in line with my own. :P (Right now, kinda thinking--and hoping--it's that we're relatively in-synch and that all three of us are town.) For instance, all of us having an eye on Giga. As just one among many.
Second paragraph of this reads genuine as ****.
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09-04-2013 , 12:15 AM
I have Athexx as town based off a borderline illegal post, which I hate to use to townread someone but what's there is there.

I have mastin as likely town because I think his paranoia was genuine as opposed to a maf faking it.

I have Taylor as weaker town. His motives seem townish to me, despite them being slightly inaccurate for reasons already been addressed.

Soah/Captainbinkles/Devourer are also prob town, but those three are based more on gut reads that I can't quite explain rather than logical reads that I can.

Just my thoughts so far. Going to sleep now I'll likely be back in about 16 hours as I have classes tomorrow morning.
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09-04-2013 , 12:17 AM
Vote Fank009




A Policy lynch right there. No matter what, third on the first bandwagon is always scum. So who is with me? Time is wasting!
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09-04-2013 , 12:20 AM
captain binkles

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09-04-2013 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
captain binkles

Sup
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09-04-2013 , 12:32 AM
Have you seen something, Soah, or is that just a hello vote?
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09-04-2013 , 12:39 AM
It's more that I haven't seen anything.
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09-04-2013 , 12:52 AM
Good.

The greatest trick the villager pulled was convincing the game he didn't exist...or something

It also segues well into voting Verbal :P

But yeah, I sorta assumed as much, was curious if you had anything you wanted to chat about though, otherwise I'll continue about my day and crush faces later :P
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09-04-2013 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by weareking
Yeah because the whole pack would make themselves obvious on D1.
Of course not. There is still, reactions and interactions to consider. Again I ask, why snap the trap early when people haven't stepped in. Just cause they don't fall for it directly, doesnt mean it cant ensnare them indirectly.

I'll be off for 3hrs give/take.
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09-04-2013 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Murska
Apologies, off to work, busy until evening.

This post struck me as I read the thread. Others did, too, but I figure throw my suspicion at a direction others aren't taking.
Apparently you're not quite attentive, given as how others have cast suspicion towards Nana.

Taylor's looking to to me now, by the way.

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Originally Posted by weareking
I have Athexx as town based off a borderline illegal post, which I hate to use to townread someone but what's there is there.

I have Taylor as weaker town. His motives seem townish to me, despite them being slightly inaccurate for reasons already been addressed.

Soah/Captainbinkles/Devourer are also prob town, but those three are based more on gut reads that I can't quite explain rather than logical reads that I can.

Just my thoughts so far. Going to sleep now I'll likely be back in about 16 hours as I have classes tomorrow morning.
Inclined to agree on everything, here.

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Originally Posted by MNOWAX
Vote Fank009

A Policy lynch right there. No matter what, third on the first bandwagon is always scum. So who is with me? Time is wasting!
Dat bus.
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09-04-2013 , 01:21 AM
GAH.

fank009

I'll learn to stop bolding things eventually. >_<
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09-04-2013 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mastin2
Apparently you're not quite attentive, given as how others have cast suspicion towards Nana.
True, but not in any substantial form such as votes or FoS, unlike several other targets.

Then again, I didn't do either of those. Mainly because my phone is bad for writing code.

Vote: Nana7
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09-04-2013 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fank009
Exactly, It leads to the intent of the move, and when combined with the fact that the trap was pulled, for supposedly going to bed, doesnt it mean that Taylor is scared of it getting out of hand? Wouldnt it make more sense to try and snag more into the trap? Only maf would only catch a handful. Why go for a stray wolf when you can possibly get the whole pack?
I can't understand the opinion that motivated this post to be made.

You think that Taylor is suspect for this 'gambit'? Why couldn't he be scared about what he thinks is intentionally scummy play getting out of hand as town?

Nana, what is YOUR read on Athexx?
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09-04-2013 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by weareking

Soah/Captainbinkles/Devourer are also prob town, but those three are based more on gut reads that I can't quite explain rather than logical reads that I can.
Why binkles? 141 felt a little self-conscious / forced.
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09-04-2013 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyan
This is probably too glib to be a scum post.
Vote: Cyan

This post does not attempt to find scum, but it does snuggle another player. A poor opening move.

The most significant activity so far is in relation to TaylorFitz.

I have put people in my lean lists as firmly town for off behavior early in a game, and been correct. Scum tend to avoid seeming bizarre when people will use any excuse to vote for anyone. However, some people can't help it, and there was a point where I got a bit concerned, involving some attempted tactic which was then revealed immediately, seemed contrived, but also seems like something a player could do if they weren't, you know, thinking their moves out very well, and then just tried to explain themselves under pressure.

The various voters on TaylorFitz seem to be voting the odd, which is fine, because TaylorFitz is odd. I didn't get enough of a town read from Taylor's behavior to justify defending him here, so the votes are as good as any.

I am voting elsewhere because I believe in the early game, scum will avoid poking people in the eye, and that's what town needs to do to win.

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Notes
147 posts
CV = current vote.

Player list (26)
AngryPidgeon 6 CV: Nana
Anstonio
Askthepizzaguy
Athexx 2 CV:Soah
captain binkles 7 CV: Verbal
chrja
Cyan 1
Devourer 3 CV Frank
DrippingGoofball 3 CV: Taylor
fank009 6 CV: Taylor
Foolishness
Giga13 3
Infidel_PA
marvellosity
mastin2 14 CV: Fank009
MNOWAX 1 CV Fank
Murska 2 CV Nana
Nana7 14 (softclaim not star trek) CV: Taylor
Silkku
soah 11 CV:Binkles
TaylorFitz 14 (Star Trek character softclaim) CV:Soah
TheMango
traz
Valar Morghulis
Verbal32 2
weareking 19 CV:Giga

Not enough data for leans.
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09-04-2013 , 03:57 AM
I like your summary of the Taylor situation, basically felt the same way.

I dont really see the Cyan vote though. Why is town-hunting or listing townreads scummy?
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09-04-2013 , 04:05 AM
My vote goes on fank009
Not just a hello vote but more like. After reading this far fank009 looks like the best target for the moment, but of course that can change reel quick.
I hope people don't jump on me for not posting but I'm not into posting a lot. Especially when I have no info, I see no point to posting, I just watch what others are saying. Till I work out what is going on *or more like when I think* "I know what is going on"
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