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09-05-2013 , 07:01 PM
Taylor, your vote is snoozeville central.
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09-05-2013 , 07:02 PM
Everyone please read what Soah, Angry, and I said about Foolish, go read Foolish handful of posts yourself, then vote Foolish. Giga might not be wolf, Foolish is highly likely, more than Giga.

Why defend Giga so strongly all day long? Why then not want people voting anyone BUT Giga or MNO? It makes no sense.
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09-05-2013 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Foolishness
Because that's how townies get lynched. If the vote gets deflected off of these two on to some random person it's too easy for the mafia to control the lynch. It never works out in the town's favor. It's about staying organized and focused.

Looking elsewhere is not the same as trying to start a wagon on someone else. Murska and now AP are throwing down votes without just cause, and that's not going to lead us anywhere. I think the Giga lynch is awful, but lynching him gives us much more information than bandwagoning a random player 3 hours before the day is over.
There is no Agree button on this forum so I will just quote it instead. The bit about don't spring a new wagon last minute anyway.

So many games where you swing the vote around willy nilly after a special reveal and it just gets worse since you start revealing other specials and god damn it the vote record is so tattered. Easy to jump and direct a new wagon with little reasoning and have that excuse.
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09-05-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
Somewhat frequently. Don't know the exact frequency, but it's not relevant since games like this don't ever happen here normally.



If someone is going to use a roleclaim to avoid lynch then they need to actually roleclaim. "I'm a power role but I'm not telling you which one" does not work, especially here where more time gives the wolves a better chance at getting their claims right. Masons and lovers are both useless aside from the chance to be confirmed villagers who must be nightkilled, but they can't ever be confirmed villagers if they don't do basic things to roleclaim. The wolves don't benefit from knowing whether they are masons or lovers because both sets of roles are useless and both should be killed after other power roles but before endgame (assuming the village believes the claim). The only difference is that it only takes one kill to get the lovers instead of two, but this isn't a terribly important detail as far as the wolf strategy is concerned. Since the specifics of their roles shouldn't affect anything the wolves do, there is no downside to claiming their exact roles. But there is upside in establishing trust in the village.

In any case, it's moot since they've now claimed.
This just isn't true. If 2 scum players are going to run a gambit it will NOT be a gambit where one dying and flipping scum confirms that the other is scum. 2 scum players will not confirm each other as town. Therefore when 2 people confirm each other they are pretty much always town.

Once players confirm each other let it go. Don't dig for more information. They are town and already have a huge target on their back from scum. Don't try to make them an even more enticing target then they already are.
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09-05-2013 , 07:04 PM
Mod note:

Blood fox is subbing in for Silkku.
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09-05-2013 , 07:04 PM
Not that I really expect you all to listen to me but here goes, my read on people so far is:-

Not so Good!

marvellosity
Nana7
Verbal32
TheMango
Infidel_PA

Unknown so far but on my radar.

Foolishness
AngryPidgeon


Probably Good

Giga
TaylorFitz
soah

Known Good

MNOWAX
Anstonio

Getting worried Nana?
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09-05-2013 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Verbal32
100%, eh? That's pretty awesome!

You must be the most powerful Mason of all time......or some ****.
Yeah, was giving Tony too much credit looks like...
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09-05-2013 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
A note about chrja:

Apparently he dominates games in Danish, but when he plays here, people find him wolfy and lynch him. Like... always. I think he is the #1 mislynched player here of anyone that's played a decent number of games. I assume it's because of the language barrier.

I see that binkles has started pushing chrja now. Unfortunately I've never seen chrja as a wolf and I can't research it now, because I'm too far away from the wifi router that I'm accessing, and it takes forever to get any pages to load. But, at the risk of just going off of confirmation-bias, I find it suspect that binkles would already be going after someone who he knows is an easy mislynch. binkles is going to bed and chrja is just now catching up, and binkles just buried his remark in a big list of stuff, so if chrja ends up getting mislynched, binkles won't be the one looking bad from it. But he's the one planting the seed. I don't like it. And chrja didn't even do anything that seemed unusual to me, though admittedly I was skimming kinda fast trying to catch up earlier.
Nonsense, of course I'd look bad.

And fwiw I read those games expecting him to be a reasonably obvious guy to clear, I was pretty surprised by what I found.
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09-05-2013 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
Mastin, they crumbed masons in MNOWAX's first two posts.

Wh the **** did you unvote in favor of Giga then if you still think MNO is mafia?

Anstonio and MNO are CLAIMED MASONS/LOVERS
Wouldn't that be claimed masons, since what is the point of breadcrumbing if they were lovers?
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09-05-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Giga13
soah

Soah Voted CaptainBinkies for...?

Also I think fank is being sheeped too fast I don't fos him yet
This was Giga's last post. Like 12 hours into the game. Would you really rather vote Giga on so little info from so early than Foolish?

I am not defending Giga, but am accusing Foolish based on more info. Why defend Giga so hard? Why turn around at the end and try to stop vote moving, votes that might leave Giga?
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09-05-2013 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TaylorFitz
This just isn't true. If 2 scum players are going to run a gambit it will NOT be a gambit where one dying and flipping scum confirms that the other is scum. 2 scum players will not confirm each other as town. Therefore when 2 people confirm each other they are pretty much always town.

Once players confirm each other let it go. Don't dig for more information. They are town and already have a huge target on their back from scum. Don't try to make them an even more enticing target then they already are.
The wolves are reading the same thread as everyone else. They know what's going on with the claims and how it should affect their strategy.

The only thing that would make it bad for wolves to fake claim as masons would be that if one goes down, then both go down. But this depends on 1) that they have explicitly claimed, so that they can't back out of it later and say they never claimed anything 2) that they are masons and not lovers -- if they are wolf lovers then there is no downside to tying themselves to each other because they die together via mechanics regardless.
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09-05-2013 , 07:12 PM
There are so many players on random outside wagons making no difference to the actual outcome of the vote.

It's really painful

Anyone fancy some last-minute shenannies?
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09-05-2013 , 07:14 PM
The bad thing about lynching either Giga or Foolishness today is that it's unlikely that they are both wolves, so we want to make sure we get it right on the first try, otherwise we've wasted a lynch. (And, of course, it also puts a cap on the maximum percentage chance of either one being a wolf.)

That's one reason I'd prefer binkles. He's also a strong wolf read but he works with a much wider range of suspects.
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09-05-2013 , 07:14 PM
I don't feel amazing about it, but why not

foolishness
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09-05-2013 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Infidel_PA
There is no Agree button on this forum so I will just quote it instead. The bit about don't spring a new wagon last minute anyway.

So many games where you swing the vote around willy nilly after a special reveal and it just gets worse since you start revealing other specials and god damn it the vote record is so tattered. Easy to jump and direct a new wagon with little reasoning and have that excuse.
This needs to do if Fool ever flips scum.
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09-05-2013 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
The bad thing about lynching either Giga or Foolishness today is that it's unlikely that they are both wolves, so we want to make sure we get it right on the first try, otherwise we've wasted a lynch. (And, of course, it also puts a cap on the maximum percentage chance of either one being a wolf.)

That's one reason I'd prefer binkles. He's also a strong wolf read but he works with a much wider range of suspects.
With 45 minutes left, haven't you realised you haven't put up a case strong enough for the rest of the thread to vote on it?

If so, why are you still banging on about it?
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09-05-2013 , 07:15 PM
do = go**
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09-05-2013 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
The bad thing about lynching either Giga or Foolishness today is that it's unlikely that they are both wolves, so we want to make sure we get it right on the first try, otherwise we've wasted a lynch. (And, of course, it also puts a cap on the maximum percentage chance of either one being a wolf.)

That's one reason I'd prefer binkles. He's also a strong wolf read but he works with a much wider range of suspects.
how lucky is that!?
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09-05-2013 , 07:16 PM
Caught up.

Hmmm, do people really think that mafia would never claim masons?

Gambits be gambitin. Not that I really think that is happening here at all but the absolutely confidence looks odd. I guess some of us have seen some ****.
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09-05-2013 , 07:16 PM
Out of the people with multiple votes, I'm not lynching soah or fank. And if MNOWAX has essentially claimed a mason/lover role with Anstonio then he's ok for now I suppose.

That leaves just Giga and Foolishness as the two people I'd be willing to lynch at this point, and I see no reason to believe Giga is more town.
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09-05-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AngryPidgeon
This needs to do if Fool ever flips scum.
I love you too.
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09-05-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by marvellosity
With 45 minutes left, haven't you realised you haven't put up a case strong enough for the rest of the thread to vote on it?

If so, why are you still banging on about it?
So? Worst case scenario is Giga is still the leading wagon due to lack of time and Giga gets lynched.
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09-05-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
Nonsense, of course I'd look bad.

And fwiw I read those games expecting him to be a reasonably obvious guy to clear, I was pretty surprised by what I found.
Binkles reads through several posts that I make with more arguments against him, but chooses to respond only to a triviality. Nothing about why his chrja read is different than mine, why my case against him is wrong, etc.
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09-05-2013 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Infidel_PA
Hmmm, do people really think that mafia would never claim masons?
That'd be suicidal to squeak past the D1 lynch and confirm your partner in the process, although I will admit it's convenient that both masons are scummy people who had D1 lynch potential.
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09-05-2013 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by marvellosity
With 45 minutes left, haven't you realised you haven't put up a case strong enough for the rest of the thread to vote on it?

If so, why are you still banging on about it?
I've made a dozen posts about him. The case is quite strong.
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